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Hater Depot



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 6:27 am    Post subject: AsiaPages "source" sez USA out in October Reply with quote

http://hyvmaa.blogspot.com/2006/07/consequences-of-betrayal.html

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Identified only as a U.S. military intelligence officer, the source claimed that American military relations with the South Korean government have never been lower and that a military divorce of some kind is expected to be announced later this year.
Refusing to go into absolute specifics, the officer said that sometime in October, U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and South Korean Foreign Prime Minister Ban Ki-Moon will sign an agreement during a Security Consultative Meeting (SCM) which will essentially hand over control of joint U.S.-ROK military affairs to the South Korean military. Currently American forces hold authoritative power in the relationship.
That means, he said, that sometime in the near future, U.S. forces will begin to leave Korea although they will maintain a �presence� on the peninsula under a different name.

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The source went on to stress that what this means is not just a departure of U.S. military personnel but also the exodus of American military equipment and technology including tanks and satellite capabilities. His assessment claimed that such an absence would leave the South Korean military extremely vulnerable. His also claims that ROK military officials he has contact with have expressed extreme concern over the agreement which has come directly from South Korean President Roh Moo-hyun himself.
The intelligence officer claimed that the ROK military is protesting the future agreement while at the same time scrambling to make plans to accommodate these new changes.
Unsure of when or how the South Korean government would break the news to the people, the source made an educated guess that when the government decided to spin the proposal, the agreement would be hailed by the South Korean government as a success for the ROK military in that they would claim to be independent of USFK control.
The American source felt that the Blue House would rely on South Koreans� strong sense of nationalism to carry the agreement through to its actual signing, but worried about what would happen after the agreement is finalized. In particular he expressed anxiety over what would happen once the euphoria died down which is when he expected the tough questions to be asked by the Korean public. He gave the public 24-48 hours after the signing to truly realize what it meant for Korea.


If true, I think it would be the wrong decision for security but it would at least be satisfying to see the children choking on their cake.
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mateomiguel



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 7:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the big question for all us Americans is... would we stay if our army left?

I don't have an answer myself, I would have to think about it.
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Bo Peabody



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 11:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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On the other hand



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was wondering about what sort of track record this blog had in terms of making accurate predictions.

Then I realized that the blog contains no articles besides the one under discussion.

So, not much of a track record at all, I guess.
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Hater Depot



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 8:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

True, but it still has me thinking. Just how much will the US put up with before leaving? SK doesn't even agree that we should be stopping the North from counterfeiting billions of our dollars. And they certainly believe they can talk whatever trash they want.

I mean, the last time a Korean government displayed this much foreign policy acumen they wound up with 40 years of colonialism, 60+ years of division, and a combined 100+ years of dictatorship.
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Junior



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 8:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i for one would be happy to see the US depart. koreans have been living in a fools paradise far too long.

We teachers would probably stay here until the first missiles come over the DMZ.
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EFLtrainer



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 9:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mateomiguel wrote:
I think the big question for all us Americans is... would we stay if our army left?

I don't have an answer myself, I would have to think about it.


What the hell difference does it make to us whether our military is here or not? Wouldn't this make life easier for us since all the idiotsin the military that do stupid crap and impregnate women then abandon them would be gone?

The real issue will be the economic effects. I have doubtrs about this, though, what with all the investment in the new Yongsan relocation in full swing, etc....
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 8:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

South Korea: Plugging the Intelligence Gap
July 28, 2006 16 01 GMT



Summary

South Korea's first completely indigenous satellite, the Arirang-2, was launched atop a Russian rocket July 28. The multipurpose satellite is equipped with a multispectral imaging camera, also making this Seoul's first imaging spy satellite, thereby reducing Seoul's reliance on U.S. satellite imagery and marking a step toward addressing a critical intelligence gap in South Korea's defense structure.

Analysis

South Korea's Korea Multipurpose Satellite 2 (KOMPSAT-2), also referred to as the Arirang-2, was launched atop a Russian Rockot from the Plesetsk Cosmodrome at 11:05 a.m. Russian time July 28. The Arirang-2 is Seoul's first completely indigenous satellite, developed by the Korean Aerospace Research Institute (KARI), and carries, among other equipment, a high-resolution multispectral imaging camera capable of at least one meter imagery or better. Though ostensibly designed to update Korean maps, this is in essence South Korea's first spy satellite, one capable of imaging North Korea and anywhere else in the world. As such, this begins to fill a critical intelligence gap in South Korea's defense.

Though the Arirang-2 was launched successfully, it will be a few days before it will be clear if all systems are operational. For Seoul, the satellite marks a new phase in South Korea's nascent space program. Long hindered by Cold War agreements with the United States limiting South Korean rocket and missile technology, Seoul has developed an ambitious plan to design and build satellites and space launch vehicles and emerge as one of the lead nations in space technology.

Systems such as the Arirang-2 serve more than economic and technological goals or issues of national pride. South Korea has long been "blind" with regard to North Korea, at least as far as satellite imagery is concerned. South Korea's military and intelligence services thus have had to rely on U.S. satellites or purchased commercial imagery. At times, this has created a delay in gathering information, slowing the decision-making process and creating tensions between Seoul and Washington. Arirang-2 addresses this gap, at least in part.

South Korea is in the midst of restructuring its military and defense posture, seeking to develop a more indigenous defense capability. The lack of reconnaissance systems, such as satellite imagery, was a critical gap Seoul needed to fill. While there is much more to be done, should it prove successful the Arirang-2 will give Seoul more control over its information and intelligence on North Korea -- marking a substantive advance in Seoul's domestic defense plan.
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Guri Guy



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 11:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You reap what you sow I guess. South Korea will have to defend itself and foot the bill. Taxes will go up. They will blame the Americans of course. Rolling Eyes
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bucheon bum



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 4:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mateomiguel wrote:
I think the big question for all us Americans is... would we stay if our army left?

I don't have an answer myself, I would have to think about it.


what difference would it make if they did leave? security wise I mean.
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On the other hand



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 7:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
what difference would it make if they did leave? security wise I mean.


That's the thing. I should think it quite inimical to America's interest to have North Korea invading South Korea, whatever they make think of the South Koreans as people. That kind of conflict would have a domino effect on the regional economies, with Japan taking a pretty hefty hit. Plus, I don't think they would want China to swing back into action, but they'd have a tough time making this case to Beijing when they've already sent the message that they no longer care what happens on the penisnsula.

Long and short: I don't think that America would ever entertain pulling out if they thought that it would increase the chances of an NK attack.
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Neil



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 29, 2006 12:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the North attacked wouldn't the US just send it's troops from Japan?
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shoeboy



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 29, 2006 2:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Neil wrote:
If the North attacked wouldn't the US just send it's troops from Japan?


Yeah. An American military presence of any kind insures that the US will be involved in any war that breaks out, so there will always be troops here. This development(if it were to happen) really dosen't change much in my opinion.

Id like to know the source of this is. To be honest the "intellegence officer" don't seem to be to all that intellegent. Alot of the article is just this guys opinion and its not to impressive. Saying that America would go to war if it had proof of arms or info sale to other countries? They already know NK sold to Iran. Missle test to show Japan it could be hit? wasn't that already done in the earlier tests? He says US not "interested" in another war. Really? Rolling Eyes
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Junior



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 29, 2006 4:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NK is waiting until the US is too preocupied with other conflicts.

If American forces are spread thinly across Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran maybe, then i doubt they would care about Soth korea. or taiwan for that matter.

The whole thing has the potential to happen all at once. if the war on Islamic terror goes full scale, china will grab Taiwan and Nk will get it on with the south in the ensuing chaos.

if there comes a time US forces are everywhere in the middle east and nowhere in the US, i can see the US itself being attacked.
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shoeboy



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 29, 2006 5:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just read in the todays Korean Herald:

"Vice President Dick Cheney...said US troops will remain on peninsula until stability and peace spread to the North."

Whole big article for those who aren't refusing to read the evil, anti-Daves, Great Satan that is the Herald.
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