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[Gopher]

[Bulsajo]

I'm pretty sure that the jews kept all the evidence proving that the moon landings were faked in a vault on the top floor of the World Trade Center.

[dogbert]

[Rteacher]

Are the knee-jerk jokester-reactors finished? (Of course, not - their numbers are vast...) I"m gonna post the rest of the NPR transcript, and who can say with a straight face that something doesn't smell right (hey, don't look at me! - I used my Thai crystal deodorant stick today... )

...One of them [searching for the lost tapes...] is Stan Lebar. On that historic night, he was 44 years old and sitting in Houston's Mission Control Center building. His team at Westinghouse Corporation had spent five years designing a TV camera that would work in the harsh lunar environment, and he was waiting to see whether they had pulled it off.

When the lunar module touched down in the Sea of Tranquility, Neil Armstrong radioed in, "Houston, uh, Tranquility Base here. The Eagle has landed." Moments later, Mission Control asked Buzz Aldrin to power up the camera: "Buzz, this is Houston, radio check and verify TV circuit-breaker in."

As the camera powered up, Lebar and his colleagues in the TV lab finally saw a signal. It was just a line on a screen, but it meant the camera was working.

"That's when we opened the champagne bottles," he recalls.

As the first images appeared on a screen in Houston's main mission-control room, the flight directors were thrilled. But back in the TV lab, Lebar says the mood had changed.

"What disturbed us is when we saw the imagery, we knew that something had gone wrong," he says.

For hundreds of millions of people watching, the picture was truly amazing; it was, after all, live footage from the moon, some 240,000 miles away. But it was hard to make out what was what in the dark, fuzzy scene. The astronauts' legs were ghostly as they came down the ladder.

"So they were saying, 'This is great!'" recalls Lebar. "And the truth of the matter was, it was being degraded something awful."

Converting the Originals

The images were being degraded because the lunar camera was recording in a format that was incompatible with commercial-television broadcasts. So the footage had to be converted to the right format.

Here's how it worked: The lunar camera was sending images to three tracking stations: Goldstone in California, and Honeysuckle Creek and Parkes in Australia. At these stations, the original footage could be displayed on a monitor.

To convert the originals, engineers essentially took a commercial television camera and aimed it at the monitor. The resulting image is what was sent to Houston, and on to the world.

"And any time you just point a camera at a screen, that's obviously not the best way to get the best picture," says Richard Nafzger, a TV specialist at NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center in Maryland. He worked with Apollo's lunar TV program, and says that conversion was the best they could do at the time.

"We're talking 1969. In today's digital world, it's pretty much a relic. But that's what it was," he says.

The original lunar footage did get recorded -- onto 14-inch spools of magnetic tape, along with telemetry data. And by 1970, the tapes had made their way to a giant government facility known as the National Records Center in Suitland, Md. Soon after that, records show that NASA brought the tapes to Goddard for "permanent retention."

A Race Against Time

Fast forward to April 2002. Someone who'd worked at one of the Australian tracking stations finds a tape in his garage. He thinks it's a copy he made of the original, high-quality footage. It goes to Building 25 at Goddard Space Flight Center, which houses the Data Evaluation Lab. This lab is full of giant blue cabinets that hold 40-year-old playback machines.

"This is equipment that would process any tapes we find of the original television," says Nafzger, who adds that this lab is the only place left that can play NASA tapes from the Apollo era.

It turned out, the Australian tape wasn't the moonwalk; it was a simulation from 1967. But it made Nafzger and others keen to find the originals.

Unfortunately, no one has been able to. Nothing suggests that the tapes were moved from Goddard or destroyed. Yet there's also no record of where exactly they're supposed to be.

The Data Evaluation Lab will be shut down in October. But Nafzger plans to save a few of the machines, in case the tapes turn up. He and Stan Lebar are talking with the retirees, sorting through old documents and hoping someone will call them with a tip.

"One of the reasons we're fighting so hard is that we're fighting against the clock," says Lebar.

The tapes will degrade over time, and all the people who worked on Apollo aren't getting any younger either. Lebar is 81 years old.

He says, in retrospect, the murky images that got broadcast on TV were thrilling. Their strange quality just underlined that this was an unearthly event.

"Walter Cronkite said, you know, it was really ghostly-like. It was really what it should have been," Lebar says. "If it was full-up resolution as standard television, nobody would have thought it was as great."

Still, Lebar would dearly love to see the original footage.

"What do we provide for posterity, when we know there is something better?" he asks.

At least everyone knows where the camera is: The astronauts traded it for moon rocks. Lebar says it's still up there, in the dusty Sea of Tranquility.

"People ask, 'If they ever bring it back, will it work?'" he laughs. "My answer is: 'Sure, why not?' I've got the ultimate optimism."

That optimism is what makes him certain that somehow, somewhere, they will find the lost Apollo 11 tapes.

Yeah, right! You'd think that with all the progress science has made the last nearly four decades (and all the billions of dollars spent...) they'd have gone back to the moon and retrieved the camera by now - phony bastards...

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5578853

[Bulsajo]

[Rteacher]

The Hare Krishnas (along with leftist Ramparts magazine - which I vaguely recall had a blow-up of a still from video showing one of the moon walkers swiping a fly off his space suit...) was one of the first groups to publish an article (in Back to Godhead magazine...) casting doubt on whether they really made it to the moon (based on Vedic knowledge...) NASA attorneys became instrumental in curbing the right to distribute spiritual literature for donations at public venues like airports - and the Kennedy Space Center parking lot (where devotees - including me - used to distribute books like Easy Journey to Other Planets...)

[mindmetoo]

[Rteacher]

I see that "mindmetoo" has recovered sufficiently from his crushing defeats on the evolution thread to at least make another post here...

Allow me to copy and paste this:

Comment from Buzz Aldrin regarding his alleged journey to the Moon:

"Well, you�re talking to the wrong guy! Why don�t you talk to the administrator at NASA? We were passengers."

Buzz Aldrin, Apollo astronaut

This noteworthy comment by Buzz Aldrin was made after seeing a video produced by fellow researcher Bart Sibrel.

For over five years two independent video producers have researched the Apollo record. These two researchers, David Percy and Bart Sibrel working in Europe and the USA respectively, both received an extraordinary videotape of raw material from a source in NASA.

The front-up caption on the video reads:

This film of the Apollo 11 Mission
was produced
as a report film by
THE MANNED SPACECRAFT CENTER
and is not for general public distribution

There is good reason why this material in its entirety was not to be seen by the public:

It depicts obvious staging of an alleged journey to the Moon.

This footage, originally recorded on Ampex VR 1100/660 video machines at the Apollo Station, Goldstone, California�purporting to be live TV transmissions from the craft on the way to the Moon�is clearly dated by NASA 18, 19 & 20 July 1969.

On this tape are a number of �behind-the-scenes� sequences from the CSM, accompanied by audio relayed from both Goldstone and Mission Control in Houston instructing the crew as to when to say their lines. These prompts were never intended to be heard by the public, nor were the contrived shots of the Earth from the craft�s window ever intended to be viewed by the public in such a raw, unedited state.

If Apollo 11 was really on its way to the Moon why were the three crew members apparently STAGING or FAKING segments of their journey?

Evidence contained in this revealing footage strongly suggests that this mission was only in low Earth orbit on the dates in question and not travelling to the Moon at all.

Is the fact that this material was sent to Percy and Sibrel merely an unfortunate accident, or a case of bold whistle-blowing?

See the analysis of this footage by David Percy in the double DVD/two tape video production What Happened on the Moon? And by Bart Sibrel in his video A Funny Thing Happened On The Way To The Moon

http://www.sibrel.com

http://www.aulis.com/nasa7.htm

[Keep in mind that the official propaganda machine that can sponsor debunkings of these types of charges have vast resources at their disposal, including government intelligence agencies ...][size=12][/size]

[mindmetoo]

[Gopher]

Very disappointed in the direction this thread took.

[Bulsajo]

And yet I note that you did not say
"Very surprised and disappointed the direction this thread took."

[Rteacher]

Every material relationship/endeavor ultimately ends in disappointment...

"Mindmetoo" and so many other materialists put their faith in the authorities of science, and they tend to regard giving credit to God for creating all the material universes as some kind of a hoax or conspiracy perpetrated by religious/spiritual authorities.

I have never claimed to be conversant in material science or technology, but I am well versed in the conclusions of Vedic spiritual authorities. From that perspective advanced scientific knowledge is practically valueless at the end of life, while one's progressive spiritual knowledge carries over to the next life...

Because so many so-called intelligent people [including 72% of National Academy of Science (NAS) members who frankly declare themselves to be atheists...] have withdrawn their faith in God (and spiritual authorities...) and have chosen to invest it in the "miracle-makers" of science I personally rather like it when they're exposed as cheaters - just as materialists enjoy seeing the likes of Jimmy Swaggert or some big yogi or guru brought down.

Regarding the issue of the authenticity of the moon landing, I'm not convinced either way (Vedic knowledge doesn't preclude reaching the moon mechanically - just that we wouldn't be able to see the higher dimensional life that is there...) At this point I think it's a 50-50 toss-up.

Based on the what I just copied and pasted (the main thrust of which "mindmetoo" didn't bother to address at all, employing his usual tactic of ridiculing and trying to discredit me...) it seems likely that someone is propagating lies (though it's possible there may a plausible explanation for evidence of scripted lines and impossible camera angles, etc...)

Who has/had the motivation and means to lie? Certainly, in the context of the cold war and the "space race" with the Soviet Union (where the Soviets had apparently surged ahead...) the U.S. government had the motivation - as well as enough technical expertise to enact a simulation - if not the real thing. Keep in mind that pre-Watergate, most Americans implicitly trusted the government (ironically, some right-wing segments, who didn't trust the feds, have more power now...)

But then again, the enemies (of various stripes, including anarchists...) of the U.S. government also have motivation to discredit it, and they certainly also have enough technical means to create the illusion that the moon shot wasn't real...

I would think that a Vegas oddsmaker would make the odds "even money" that it was real and maybe 50-1 that it was faked. In that case, I would put a few bucks on the longshot - which I think has a reasonable chance of winning...

[Bulsajo]

Wanna bet?

[Rteacher]

Well, if you agree to give 50 to 1 odds ... I'll accept as proof that the Apollo moon landing was authentic when and if a subsequent journey to the moon retrieves the original camera that they claim to have left there. Since material science is so great they should be able to do that within ... five years (Hell, they allegedly sent a crew there and back 37 years ago... )

So, I'll agree to pay you twenty ($20.00) American dollars if they manage to get that camera back to earth by 11:59 pm, August 1, 2011...

And, you'll have to agree to pay me one thousand ($1,000) American dollars if they somehow don't manage to bring back that camera by 11:59,pm, August 1, 2011...

What's that? ... Need more time? ... Ten years? ... Twenty years? ... Forty years?...

So little faith in the gods of science?... I've seen charts on NASA websites pinpointing exactly where the camera is located - so it should be a snap for them to retrieve it the next time they get it together to go there...

Five years is a good bet ... Anyone else want to take advantage of my stupidity?...

[mindmetoo]