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poet13
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
Location: Just over there....throwing lemons.
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 Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 1:46 am Post subject: Thanks for the laugh... |
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To the foreigner at Seoul station late this morning.
Thank you for the laugh while I ate at Mcdonalds.
I don't know if you have ever succesfully ordered (in english) a cheeseburger without pickles and WITH an extra slice of cheese at a Mcdonalds in Korea before, but good luck with it. Thanks also for trying the same thing at the Lotteria next door. I'm sure it helped to say it louder, but thank you for not getting angry when they still didn't understand. |
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laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea
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| Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 1:50 am Post subject: |
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I hate these people. Western arrogance at it's worst (well, not quite it's worst). I actually apologized to one person once being the next in line after a guy who blew up at the clerk.
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poet13
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
Location: Just over there....throwing lemons.
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| Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 1:53 am Post subject: |
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| At least the dude didn't get bent about it. I do hate THAT about westerners. |
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eamo
Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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| Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 2:24 am Post subject: |
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Would he be repelled by eating a burger with pickles and 1 slice of cheese?
He should carry around a little fork for taking the pickles off his Big Mac and a packet of sliced cheese from GS 25. Voila!! Another picky American (  ) satisfied!! |
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Beej
Joined: 05 Mar 2005
Location: Eungam Loop
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| Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 2:25 am Post subject: |
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| laogaiguk wrote: |
| I hate these people. Western arrogance at it's worst (well, not quite it's worst). I actually apologized to one person once being the next in line after a guy who blew up at the clerk. |
Why did you feel it was necessary to apologize for another foreigner? That only perpetuates the Korean notion that foreigners are some alien race.
I also hate it when my Korean friends apologize for stupid things other Koreans do . |
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poet13
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
Location: Just over there....throwing lemons.
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| Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 2:25 am Post subject: |
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| not an american |
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laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea
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| Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 2:31 am Post subject: |
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| Beej wrote: |
| laogaiguk wrote: |
| I hate these people. Western arrogance at it's worst (well, not quite it's worst). I actually apologized to one person once being the next in line after a guy who blew up at the clerk. |
Why did you feel it was necessary to apologize for another foreigner? That only perpetuates the Korean notion that foreigners are some alien race.
I also hate it when my Korean friends apologize for stupid things other Koreans do . |
While they are better here, it was staffed by teenagers, and even back home if my friend did something like that, I would aplogize for my order. Otherwise, who knows what went into the burger. Just watching my back
Though seriously, I don't get your comment. The fact that I apologized showed we are all different people, and that random stereotypes of Westerners don't apply. Koreans are doing the same thing, showing they aren't all just from some mold. Look how often on this site people say "Koreans do this and that", or even us Westerners saying "Americans (whatever country) are like this or always do that."
I felt it necessary to get good service after that. I did it though to show this. I totally disagree with your opinion on it. |
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Beej
Joined: 05 Mar 2005
Location: Eungam Loop
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| Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 2:52 am Post subject: |
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| laogaiguk wrote: |
| Beej wrote: |
| laogaiguk wrote: |
| I hate these people. Western arrogance at it's worst (well, not quite it's worst). I actually apologized to one person once being the next in line after a guy who blew up at the clerk. |
Why did you feel it was necessary to apologize for another foreigner? That only perpetuates the Korean notion that foreigners are some alien race.
I also hate it when my Korean friends apologize for stupid things other Koreans do . |
While they are better here, it was staffed by teenagers, and even back home if my friend did something like that, I would aplogize for my order. Otherwise, who knows what went into the burger. Just watching my back
Though seriously, I don't get your comment. The fact that I apologized showed we are all different people, and that random stereotypes of Westerners don't apply. Koreans are doing the same thing, showing they aren't all just from some mold. Look how often on this site people say "Koreans do this and that", or even us Westerners saying "Americans (whatever country) are like this or always do that."
I felt it necessary to get good service after that. I did it though to show this. I totally disagree with your opinion on it. |
It depends on how you look at it. Koreans already see foreigners as all the same ( not Korean). And within this, their views on foreigners are mostly negative. In this light you may be right to differentiate yourself from the rude foreigner.
I however believe that koreans should see all people as individuals. In this case you shouldnt have to apologize for the acts of a stranger. Just as I should see all koreans all individuals, and my korean friends shouldnt apologize when we get a stupid taxi driver or when some car cuts us off. I guess I am probably asking too much. |
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laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea
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| Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 3:00 am Post subject: |
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| Beej wrote: |
| laogaiguk wrote: |
| Beej wrote: |
| laogaiguk wrote: |
| I hate these people. Western arrogance at it's worst (well, not quite it's worst). I actually apologized to one person once being the next in line after a guy who blew up at the clerk. |
Why did you feel it was necessary to apologize for another foreigner? That only perpetuates the Korean notion that foreigners are some alien race.
I also hate it when my Korean friends apologize for stupid things other Koreans do . |
While they are better here, it was staffed by teenagers, and even back home if my friend did something like that, I would aplogize for my order. Otherwise, who knows what went into the burger. Just watching my back
Though seriously, I don't get your comment. The fact that I apologized showed we are all different people, and that random stereotypes of Westerners don't apply. Koreans are doing the same thing, showing they aren't all just from some mold. Look how often on this site people say "Koreans do this and that", or even us Westerners saying "Americans (whatever country) are like this or always do that."
I felt it necessary to get good service after that. I did it though to show this. I totally disagree with your opinion on it. |
It depends on how you look at it. Koreans already see foreigners as all the same ( not Korean). And within this, their views on foreigners are mostly negative. In this light you may be right to differentiate yourself from the rude foreigner.
I however believe that koreans should see all people as individuals. In this case you shouldnt have to apologize for the acts of a stranger. Just as I should see all koreans all individuals, and my korean friends shouldnt apologize when we get a stupid taxi driver or when some car cuts us off. I guess I am probably asking too much. |
in a perfect world, I would agree. But not just Koreans see everyone as one and the same. This is global, and I am sure you do the same, even if only a little and subconsciously. Race and nationality stereotypes will be around long after I am gone, so for the moment, I will differentiate myself from what other people will group me with.
Like I said, your ideal is great, but you are trying to move Mt Everest with a straw |
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Juregen
Joined: 30 May 2006
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| Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 3:55 am Post subject: |
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| Beej wrote: |
It depends on how you look at it. Koreans already see foreigners as all the same ( not Korean). And within this, their views on foreigners are mostly negative. In this light you may be right to differentiate yourself from the rude foreigner.
I however believe that koreans should see all people as individuals. In this case you shouldnt have to apologize for the acts of a stranger. Just as I should see all koreans all individuals, and my korean friends shouldnt apologize when we get a stupid taxi driver or when some car cuts us off. I guess I am probably asking too much. |
I think you are completely in the wrong, my friend, i am very sorry at that, and yes you are asking too much, IMHO.
When you get to know Koreans face to face, they really are a gullible bunch, the problem is that they have problems communicating to people they don't know, including Koreans, trust me on that one.
They just never learned it, it is not in their education. It is purely a cultural artifact. |
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Demophobe
Joined: 17 May 2004
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| Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 3:59 am Post subject: |
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So, how can a lonely foreigner, who doesn't speak the language, has a pickle allergy and a processed cheese imbalance that needs constant attention, order from McDonalds - which they also must have to stave off the home sickness?
Loudly.
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Qinella
Joined: 25 Feb 2005
Location: the crib
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| Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 4:01 am Post subject: |
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| Beej wrote: |
It depends on how you look at it. Koreans already see foreigners as all the same ( not Korean). And within this, their views on foreigners are mostly negative. In this light you may be right to differentiate yourself from the rude foreigner.
I however believe that koreans should see all people as individuals. In this case you shouldnt have to apologize for the acts of a stranger. Just as I should see all koreans all individuals, and my korean friends shouldnt apologize when we get a stupid taxi driver or when some car cuts us off. I guess I am probably asking too much. |
And people tell me that I overanalyze things.
Hey, I was in a 7-11 in Itaewon at about 7am and watched some loudmouth idiot American go berserker on the clerk because they didn't have any aspirin for sale. After the guy left, I apologized in my broken Korean for the guy's behavior. I would've done the exact same thing in America. It just shows that you care, and you feel sorry the person had to endure such negativity. What's the big deal? |
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rocklee
Joined: 04 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 4:28 am Post subject: |
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Apologising for someone else's behaviour is the right thing to do, it shows that not all foreigners are the same.
Japanese are the same, its just being polite. |
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mithridates
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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| Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 5:04 am Post subject: |
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That guy was stupid. Just write it down. Koreans are good at reading.
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Cheeseburger
BUT
0 pickles
2 cheese
Thank you ^^ |
Problem solved. |
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Tiberious aka Sparkles
Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Location: I'm one cool cat!
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| Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 5:08 am Post subject: |
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*cough* Corn on pizza. *cough*
Corn on Sparkles_*_ |
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