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Korea Loses in Kimchi War
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Real Reality



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 1:45 am    Post subject: Korea Loses in Kimchi War Reply with quote

Korea Loses in Kimchi War
Korea saw the trade balance of kimchi, one of the most internationally acknowledged Korean traditional dishes, post a deficit for the first time ever in the first six months of the year. "Imports of cheaper Chinese kimchi have been soaring since last year due to the growing demand from domestic restaurants," a corporation official Ha Jung-ah said.
By Kim Yon-se, Korea Times (July 31, 2006)
http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/200607/kt2006073117305010160.htm
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Juregen



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 3:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Losing a battle?

It is just International Economics at it best.

Don't forget the governement can still slap a few traderestrictions on the Kimchi import.
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rocklee



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 4:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wah? Does anybody here think Kimchi is overrated?
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mindmetoo



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 4:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The first great kimchi war was I think during the Atlanta Olympics when Japan wanted to claim kimuchi as a national dish. The Koreans went ballistic. The UN had to step in and declare kimchi an important Korean cultural artifact. The Japanese could make kimchi but they had to call it kimuchi (the Japanese don't ferment the cabbage and if you've ever tried unfermented kimchi, it's really, really good). I think the fermentation creates some dangerous enzymes that increase your risk of stomach cancer.

Anyway, they won that one.

They I think they tried to use the flap over garbage mandoo to scare people into not eating Chinese kimchi by claiming Chinese kimchi had parasites. The Chinese were like "what are you doing? The balance of trade is so ridiculously in favor of Korea why are they going after this small beer?"

Of course most of the kimchi in China is made my Koreans.

The Chinese fired a few shots over Korea's bow, banning the import of certain Korean foods that no one actually imports. The Koreans got the message that they could seriously be the bottom biatch if China reall flexed its go chu.

Within a few days, the Korean government was saying they also found parasites in, gasp, Korean kimchi. So like, lets all go back to being friends.

I remember when I saw the story about Chinese kimchi having parasites I noticed there was zero mention in any of the articles about the levels of parasites. All food has parasites. If it goes over a certain limit (usually based on international standards) then it's pulled. I commented to my GF that Korean kimchi no doubt has parasites too but the lack of numbers and comparison made the whole thing a lil fishy. Sounded like some one's idea of protectionism.

Anyway, when the Korean kimchi has parasite thing came out, my GF was like "OH MAN YOU WERE SO RIGHT! I DIDN'T BELIEVE YOU!"
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 5:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

rocklee wrote:
Wah? Does anybody here think Kimchi is overrated?

Kimchi and soybean pastes are risk factors of gastric cancer.
Results: A decreased risk of gastric cancer was noted among people with high consumption of nonfermented alliums and nonfermented seafood. On the other hand, consumption of kimchi, and soybean pastes was associated with increased risk of gastric cancer.
Nan HM, Park JW, Song YJ, Yun HY, Park JS, Hyun T, Youn SJ, Kim YD, Kang JW, Kim H.
Kimchi and soybean pastes are risk factors of gastric cancer.
World Journal of Gastroenterology 2005; 11(21): 3175-3181
http://www.wjgnet.com/1007-9327/11/3175.asp
Abstract available at the National Center for Biotechnology Information
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=15929164&dopt=Abstract
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rocklee



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 5:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Last 2 posts were very informative, thanks!
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RACETRAITOR



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 6:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wasn't there a big recall a couple months ago because they discovered all the kimchi from China had too much feces?
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Real Reality



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 7:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

RACETRAITOR wrote:
Wasn't there a big recall a couple months ago because they discovered all the kimchi from China had too much feces?

Parasite larvae in Chinese kimchi
Parasite larvae have been discovered in kimchi imported from China.... "We suspect that larvae contained in soil, human feces or water was transferred to the cabbages, which were not properly rinsed before being made into kimchi. Many Chinese farms still use human feces as fertilizer while Korean farms use chemical fertilizer.
by Shin Sung-sik, JoongAng Daily (October 22, 2005)
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/200510/21/200510212202431009900090409041.html
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 10:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Real Reality wrote:
Many Chinese farms still use human feces as fertilizer


Shocked
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Paddycakes



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 12:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
The first great kimchi war was I think during the Atlanta Olympics when Japan wanted to claim kimuchi as a national dish. The Koreans went ballistic.


You gotta wonder if the Japs did that just to taunt the little Koreans and have some fun with them...
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jacl



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 12:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You know? I liked kimchi for a while, but stopped eating it pretty much. I'll buy a kilo here and there and end up throwin most of it away. Same with Korean food. Don't eat it much nowadays.

With kimchi though, I think it comes down to the good quality kimchi. When you get a taste of the better stuff and that goes away, you don't much want anything to do with the lower quality. Whenever I do go to a korean restaurant (and it's been a while save chicken hoffs), I'll eat the kimchi right up, but...

Rice, too. I'll cook up some pork and veggies with vinegar and red pepper paste and I hardly touch the rice and end up throwing that way. Same goes for what I cook up. The huge lefotvers will sit there on the stove for a fukin' week and I'll finally decide to throw it all down the toilet.

Some Koreans don't really dig the kimchi thing either.
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rocklee



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 7:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You keep rice for up to a week?
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pastis



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 7:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You know? I liked kimchi for a while, but stopped eating it pretty much. I'll buy a kilo here and there and end up throwin most of it away. Same with Korean food. Don't eat it much nowadays.

With kimchi though, I think it comes down to the good quality kimchi. When you get a taste of the better stuff and that goes away, you don't much want anything to do with the lower quality. Whenever I do go to a korean restaurant (and it's been a while save chicken hoffs), I'll eat the kimchi right up, but...

Rice, too. I'll cook up some pork and veggies with vinegar and red pepper paste and I hardly touch the rice and end up throwing that way. Same goes for what I cook up. The huge lefotvers will sit there on the stove for a fukin' week and I'll finally decide to throw it all down the toilet.

Some Koreans don't really dig the kimchi thing either.

Yeah, I agree. I like good restaurant kimchi, but that cheap crap I occasionally buy just ends up sitting there till I get around to tossing a bit into a boiling pot of shin ramyun or something. It just doesn't cut it unless you've got a whole (Korean) family to feed.
Rice on the other hand, I usually eat all up. Try just cooking enough for 2-3 servings instead of a massive pot full.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 1:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

brento1138 wrote:
Real Reality wrote:
Many Chinese farms still use human feces as fertilizer


Shocked


They're not the only ones: http://www.lboro.ac.uk/well/resources/technical-briefs/63-using-human-waste.pdf
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Real Reality



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 1:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

neandergirl wrote:
brento1138 wrote:
Real Reality wrote:
Many Chinese farms still use human feces as fertilizer

Shocked

They're not the only ones http://tinyurl.com/rfwt6

63. Using Human Waste (PDF format)
http://www.lboro.ac.uk/well/resources/technical-briefs/63-using-human-waste.pdf
In Europe and North America it has been virtually replaced by artificial fertilizers, but in many other parts of the world it still plays a major role in the provision of soil nutrients.

Practice: Soil fertilization with untreated excreta
Countries Where Used: China, Japan, Korea, Taiwan, Thailand
Health risks
The transmission of disease through the use of untreated excreta can be widespread. Parasitic eggs and cysts may remain viable in soil, water and on plants for many months, creating a hazard for farmers and customers alike.

The WELL resource centre for water, sanitation and environmental health was first established in 1996 and was managed by LSHTM and WEDC.
WELL is now managed by a core team led by:
WEDC: Water, Engineering and Development Centre, Loughborough University (WELL Central Office, UK)
http://www.lboro.ac.uk/well/resources/technical-briefs/technical-briefs.htm
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