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I feel like a welcomed guest by most Koreans in this country. |
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I feel like an outsider. I am rarely treated like an equal in this country. |
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Dev
Joined: 18 Apr 2006
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Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 7:10 am Post subject: Do You Feel Like a Welcomed Guest or an Outsider in Korea? |
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How do you feel in this country? As a visible minority, I often feel like an outsider. Lots of staring at me and the constant chatter of "weh-gun-nin, weh-gun-nin" behind my back. At other times, I get VIP treatment, but it just feels like they want to impress me. It all feels so fake to me. How do you feel? Are Koreans Xenophobic? What's the deal here? I get a bad vibe around them. I don't get this bad vibe in other Asian countries nearly as much. Thailand is an example where I feel like a welcomed guest.
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flotsam
Joined: 28 Mar 2006
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Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 7:12 am Post subject: |
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The mother of all .
Jesus Tapdancing Christ. |
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ajuma

Joined: 18 Feb 2003 Location: Anywere but Seoul!!
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Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 7:15 am Post subject: |
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Maybe I've been here so long that I don't notice the stares, or maybe it's the community I live in, but I feel like I'm home. No staring, no "hello chorus", no celebrity status. I'm just a part of the community! |
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OCOKA Dude

Joined: 04 Oct 2004 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 7:20 am Post subject: Re: Do You Feel Like a Welcomed Guest or an Outsider in Kore |
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Dev wrote: |
How do you feel in this country? As a visible minority, I often feel like an outsider. Lots of staring at me and the constant chatter of "weh-gun-nin, weh-gun-nin" behind my back. At other times, I get VIP treatment, but it just feels like they want to impress me. It all feels so fake to me. How do you feel? Are Koreans Xenophobic? What's the deal here? I get a bad vibe around them. I don't get this bad vibe in other Asian countries nearly as much. Thailand is an example where I feel like a welcomed guest. |
Here we go again with another lil' spoiled brat who can't stand it when they're not the center of attention or when their every whim is not being catered to while abroad! Guess what? The world (and Korea for that matter), does not revolve around you, nor do they owe you a living! But the good news is, you can always go home! |
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Dev
Joined: 18 Apr 2006
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Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 7:29 am Post subject: Re: Do You Feel Like a Welcomed Guest or an Outsider in Kore |
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[quote="OCOKA Dude"]
Dev wrote: |
But the good news is, you can always go home! |
Yes! What a comforting thought that is. Living in Korea has taught me to not take for granted anymore the great country I come from. People are far more polite to each other in public and I can be treated like what I am - just an ordinary guy. Korean people's fascination / fear of foreigners is stupid. |
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seoulsista
Joined: 31 Aug 2005
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Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 7:59 am Post subject: |
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I have lived in a country before where I really did feel like a welcomed guest nearly all the time. This experience in Korea has definately been different. Both countries had staring, "hello" brigades, and "getting to know you conversations." The difference (all of which can be explained away via the culture arguement) is that the conversations didn't end when the person ran out of English phrases. People rarely if ever got irritated or laughed when I spoke to them in their own language. People invited and recieved invitations to people's houses. People also encouraged me to participate in their cultural norms whether it be eating with your hands or wearing the traditional clothing etc. Hate to qualify it in such simple terms but it was a radically "better" experience.
Remembering that feeling has always made Korea a disappointment in comparison. I wish I didn't compare the two but it's always in the back of my mind. |
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ajuma

Joined: 18 Feb 2003 Location: Anywere but Seoul!!
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Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 8:02 am Post subject: Re: Do You Feel Like a Welcomed Guest or an Outsider in Kore |
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Dev wrote: |
How do you feel in this country? As a visible minority, I often feel like an outsider. Lots of staring at me and the constant chatter of "weh-gun-nin, weh-gun-nin" behind my back. At other times, I get VIP treatment, but it just feels like they want to impress me. It all feels so fake to me. How do you feel? Are Koreans Xenophobic? What's the deal here? I get a bad vibe around them. I don't get this bad vibe in other Asian countries nearly as much. Thailand is an example where I feel like a welcomed guest. |
Well, of course!! You're bringing in a lot of tourist dollars...not working/living there!! |
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JongnoGuru

Joined: 25 May 2004 Location: peeing on your doorstep
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Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 8:09 am Post subject: |
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seoulsista wrote: |
I have lived in a country before where I really did feel like a welcomed guest nearly all the time. This experience in Korea has definately been different. Both countries had staring, "hello" brigades, and "getting to know you conversations." The difference (all of which can be explained away via the culture arguement) is that the conversations didn't end when the person ran out of English phrases. People rarely if ever got irritated or laughed when I spoke to them in their own language. People invited and recieved invitations to people's houses. People also encouraged me to participate in their cultural norms whether it be eating with your hands or wearing the traditional clothing etc. Hate to qualify it in such simple terms but it was a radically "better" experience.
Remembering that feeling has always made Korea a disappointment in comparison. I wish I didn't compare the two but it's always in the back of my mind. |
You and Dev are looking at this all wrong. Korea's not an unwelcoming country -- it's the other countries that are too damn friendly to foreigners. Korea's bad rep is all a dastardly global plot. |
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OiGirl

Joined: 23 Jan 2003 Location: Hoke-y-gun
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Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 8:12 am Post subject: |
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How do you act in Korea, like a guest or like an outsider? |
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captain kirk
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 8:39 am Post subject: |
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Dev, I know where you're coming from and I think it all depends on one's mood at the moment. Sometimes you just don't want to be gawked at and treated like an amusing novelty. When you feel like that you are feeling lonely and want to be unconditionally accepted. Like your feet are on home soil, generations worth.
But there are Koreans around looking at you like you're 'completely different'. WTH! The genetic difference between someone whose forefathers are from Scotland and a person whose ancesters are Korean isn't worth so much apparent fuss. This is the kind of thing you think when you're in a lonely mood.
I'm sorry if the mention of the word 'lonely' sound maudlin but then it's as dramatic as the word expatriate. Sometimes I wonder what it would feel like to go to where my genetic heritage supposedly lies, northern Scotland. Would people look like me, think like me, and it would be just so totally right(?). Like an experience of total union, a kind of bliss....
It's the moments of longing when the irritation comes up, a mood thing. It's totally understandable. Don't you notice that getting over it makes you more stongly tied to the people you're with, whatever their race. You sort of get through it together....Koreans are having, perhaps, a homeland bliss feeling going on and take you in, given the communal consciousness/ mode of their society. |
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Hyeon Een

Joined: 24 Jun 2005
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Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 8:45 am Post subject: |
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In response to the OP, I feel like a Welcome Outsider. I don't feel like a local, and I don't feel like I'm not wanted. Locals like me to be here but they, and I, know I'm less yellow than them.
captain kirk wrote: |
Sometimes I wonder what it would feel like to go to where my genetic heritage supposedly lies, northern Scotland. Would people look like me, think like me, and it would be just so totally right. Like an experience of total union, a kind of bliss.... |
I think if you are a North American who buys himself a kilt and then parades around the highlands saying "Ahhhm a gen-u-ine sca'tish man" I don't think the locals would feel inclined to make you feel like you returned to your mother's womb =)
Not that I think you would do that =) |
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captain kirk
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 8:58 am Post subject: |
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Well, you know what I mean. Koreans are here in their 'Scotland'. The facial features and appearance rings bells with them, they can look at each other and appreciate kinship. I'm sorry if this sounds maudlin/longing again but Dev has a point and I think his OP is emotional and about the expat experience. People can tell him to go home, sure.
It's kind of interesting because that deep attachment between countrymen is lost to the expat but something keeps them going in spite of the discomfort, or lack of complete comfort. Dev's probably wondering what the heck he's doing here, having a Planet of the Apes experience, in those odd, reoccuring moments when it all seems surreal and poignantly superficial.
It's easy to get self-conscious about 'being alone'. Koreans, on the other hand, are almost never alone, are they? So I doubt they have such heavy, 'to be or not to be' musings in which the consciousness of a lonely bell of a soul resounds with, vibrating, 'wannabeeeeee.....wearing a kilt in Scotlandddddd.......'. |
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Hyeon Een

Joined: 24 Jun 2005
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Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 10:34 am Post subject: |
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captain kirk wrote: |
Well, you know what I mean. Koreans are here in their 'Scotland'. The facial features and appearance rings bells with them, they can look at each other and appreciate kinship. I'm sorry if this sounds maudlin/longing again but Dev has a point and I think his OP is emotional and about the expat experience. People can tell him to go home, sure.
It's kind of interesting because that deep attachment between countrymen is lost to the expat but something keeps them going in spite of the discomfort, or lack of complete comfort. Dev's probably wondering what the heck he's doing here, having a Planet of the Apes experience, in those odd, reoccuring moments when it all seems surreal and poignantly superficial.
It's easy to get self-conscious about 'being alone'. Koreans, on the other hand, are almost never alone, are they? So I doubt they have such heavy, 'to be or not to be' musings in which the consciousness of a lonely bell of a soul resounds with, vibrating, 'wannabeeeeee.....wearing a kilt in Scotlandddddd.......'. |
Hmm
Do you think the "ex-pat" experience has been ruined by the internet? The great travel writers of long ago were not alone. They were surrounded by merchants and explorers and people who'd settled down in their strange little corner of the world. Nowadays we can talk to/complain to/whine to/converse with/enjoy the wonders(...) with hundreds of people sharing the same experience. It's like it isn't special any more. Was it ever? |
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The Bobster

Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 12:19 pm Post subject: |
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Hyeon Een wrote: |
It's like it isn't special any more. Was it ever? |
As the rest of your post suggests, yes, it once was special, but it isn't any more ... |
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VanIslander

Joined: 18 Aug 2003 Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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