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cosmicgirlie
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Well I for one do NOT hope he dies. I do hope that he recovers but not because I think he's a great leader but as a fellow human being I wish him well in his recovery as wishing death upon a person is just downright nasty and rude and very unkind and shameful and all things negative.
Personally I like a rebel, I like it when the little guy stands up for themselves. What I don't like though is human right violations. So it's always been a catch 22 for me with respect to the leaders like Castro, Mao or Chavez. All very fascinating people just too bad that others are hurt in their path. |
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Gopher
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Here's a summary of Ochoa, incidentally, who might have been the best man to succeed Castro, and, apparently, but for their ideological differences, he might have done just that this week instead of Raul...
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Arnaldo Ochoa S�nchez (1930 � July 12, 1989) was a prominent Cuban general who was executed after being found guilty of treason by a Cuban court.
Ochoa was born in old Oriente area, to a family of farmers. Ever since its creation, he was part of Fidel Castro's 26th of July Movement, and by March 1957 he had joined Castro's guerrilla army in the Sierra Maestra, fighting against dictator Fulgencio Batista. Ochoa played a major role in the fall of Santa Clara, becoming a close friend of Ra�l Castro.
He also fought in the Bay of Pigs.
In the 1960s, Ochoa spearheaded a failed attempt to start a communist insurgency in Venezuela.
In 1965 he became a member of the Communist Party of Cuba. Ochoa was a member of the Party's Central Committee for more than twenty years. He attended the War College in Matanzas, Cuba, and was later sent to the Frunze Academy in the Soviet Union.
Between 1967 and 1969, he trained rebels in the Congo.
In 1975, Ochoa was sent to fight in a critical campaign against the FNLA in Luanda, Angola. His actions in this campaign won him the respect of both Soviet and Cuban commanders.
In 1977 he was named commander of Cuban Expeditionary Forces in Ethiopia under the command of Soviet General Petrov. His successes against the Somalian army greatly impressed the Soviet commanders in the field.
By 1980, Ochoa was widely considered a great internationalist, and was awarded the title "Hero of the Revolution" by Fidel Castro.
Nine years later, on June 12, the Ministry of the Revolutionary Armed Forces announced the arrest and investigation of Division General Arnaldo Ochoa Sanchez for serious acts of corruption, dishonest use of economic resources, and drug trafficking.
Ochoa was put behind bars for a month in west Havana, in the military base named Reloj Club Boinas Rojas. He went before a Military Honour Court, which found him guilty of all charges. There were no further attempts to halt the execution or appeal the conviction of a man considered by most people in Cuba to be the most respected General in the Cuban Armed Forces.
It has been suggested by some that Ochoa's arrest and trial occurred due to the worsening relationship between Castro and Mikhail Gorbachev at the time. Ochoa was a largely non-ideological man, who said he saw sense in many of Gorbachev's reforms. It is suggested that when communism across the world was in danger of collapse, Castro sought complete conformity to his brand of communism, and Ochoa's deviation proved dangerous to him. Though this is merely speculation, it is quite possible.
At dawn on July 12, 1989, Arnaldo Tomas Ochoa Sanchez "El Moro", was executed by a firing squad. This took place in the military base known as "Tropas Especiales" in Baracoa, west Havana. The most accepted rumour explains how he asked not to be blindfolded and to command, by himself, the fatal squad. Both wishes were granted. Also, another version talks about how the then Chief of the Military's Special Troops, Gen. Jose Luis Mesa Delgado, put a final bullet on Ochoa's head. Everything is on video. A statement in the Granma newspaper the next day announced his execution to the Cuban public. His wife was later advised about a humble piece of the Havana's Cemetery, where he is, unnamed, buried. |
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Gopher
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Also, NPR is giving this story much attn...
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...What's in place for Castro's succession?
The Cuban government is in a terrible position with respect to planning for the succession. For all the time that Fidel Castro has been in power, he has really resisted sharing authority with everyone. He has insisted on making all key decisions himself. And as a result of that, you've had a very centralized system of government, with no local leadership. You don't get people accustomed to taking responsibility themselves, making their own decisions.
The result of which is that there really isn't much authority in Cuba outside the person of Fidel Castro. He can make announcements or pronouncements right now about who's designated to succeed him, but almost everyone who's in a position of power in Cuba -- whether it's Raul, or whether it's any of these other second tier people -- owe their position in power to Fidel. Once he is gone, it could be a complete chaos. It could be a vacuum of authority. Everything that Fidel said about what he wants to follow after him, in a sense, goes out the window, because he's not there to make sure it does.
Who would control the army? Who would control the police?
Well, Raul Castro would definitely control the army. He also has Ministry of Interior forces under his command, as well. And this is the one fact, I think, that we can rely on, at least in the short run. Raul has been defense minister, he's been commander in chief of the Cuban armed forces from the very beginning. He does have great loyalty among the Cuban armed forces.
What about that second tier of leaders? Who are they? What positions do they hold?
Carlos Lage,, who's secretary of the Council of Ministers, is the ranking technocrat, as it were, in the top Cuban leadership. He's 54 years old, he's been in charge of the Cuban economy. He is certainly competent and has a track record of achievement.
Felipe Perez Roque is the foreign minister. He's very young -- just 41 -- and was born after the revolution. He came to power as Fidel's personal secretary at the age of 21. He is someone who completely owes his position in Cuba right now to his closeness to Fidel Castro. And I think he's someone who's mentioned as a logical person to play a leadership role in the days after Fidel is gone. But how can someone who doesn't really have any authority, outside of what Fidel has bestowed on him, have much of an independent base to operate? I think that's a really important question.
Ricardo Alarcon, who is 69 years old, is familiar to Americans because he speaks English and is kind of the designated spokesman for the Cuban government in dealing with the foreign press, and in receiving U.S. and foreign delegations in Havana. He represented Cuba at the United Nations, was at one time Cuba's foreign minister. So a very familiar face, both to the U.S. public and to the U.S. government. But also very closely allied with Fidel and has really served as Fidel's spokesman in the international arena.
Once Fidel is gone, there will be a battle to control not only the government, but also the news media and various forms of public communication. So I think that even if Raul is alive, you could still see some pretty serious competition that might very well be reflected in the public media. |
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5597604
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5596946
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5587191 |
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Gopher
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| I hope he dies. I hope he writhes in the agony he is currently undergoing. I hope that pathetic, impudent, thoughtless *beep* fails to see the light of conciousness after he is put under for surgery. I hope he lies dormant in a dream state for all of eternity. I hope that within this state of nothingness, he is tormented, maimed, battered, beaten, quartered, and strung over and over and over and over. F#@( Castro. |
Welcome to the dreamworld of many of the U.S.-based Cuban exiles, ladies and gentlemen.
If you are looking to understand part of the driving force behind U.S.-Cuba policy since 1959, without further ado, this is very much it.
Note that this manifest and conditioned antiCastro hatred is little different than the conditioned, antiIsraeli hatred we see coming out of much of the Arab Middle East and the hatred the anti-W. Bush mob projects, too... |
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cubanlord
Joined: 08 Jul 2005
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Well I for one do NOT hope he dies. I do hope that he recovers but not because I think he's a great leader but as a fellow human being I wish him well in his recovery as wishing death upon a person is just downright nasty and rude and very unkind and shameful and all things negative.
Personally I like a rebel, I like it when the little guy stands up for themselves. What I don't like though is human right violations. So it's always been a catch 22 for me with respect to the leaders like Castro, Mao or Chavez. All very fascinating people just too bad that others are hurt in their path. |
If only you guys knew, out of experience rather than what you read and what you THINK you know soooooo much about....if only you knew... 
Do you guys have families that had to go through some horrible stuff because of this munch woad? Do you guys, currently, have people still of blood relations, in Cuba, still suffering, because of the policies this guy has in place? Did YOUR grandparents have to flea their home country to avoid persecution for believing in what they believed? Did THEY have to worry about what whether or not they had food to feed the family that day? Did Your grandparents have to move to a foreign country WITH NO SAVINGS WHAT-SO-EVER and make it on their own in order to give their only son and daugther a chance at a free life?
You guys dare question my feelings and my integrity on this issue?  You DARE compare your "opinions" and your "thoughts" and your "well, I am bored so I'll come on Dave's and write how I like someone "strong" that kills people for what they believe in" cutesy little responses?
You DARE step into the arena with me and throw out your in-experienced jargun at me for the sake of looking smart on this board?
Read what is under my avitar. Don't DARE assume, for any second what so ever that education superceeds experience my dear readers. Don't even begin to fathom that you can place an article or a book that you read up against personal life experiences. There is no comparison, there is no equal to experience itself.
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ddeubel
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| Here's a summary of Ochoa, incidentally, who might have been the best man to succeed Castro, and, apparently, but for their ideological differences, he might have done just that this week instead of Raul... |
Yes, sad story of Ochoa. What should also be stated and which I referred to in another thread, Ochoa was his best friend................that has been Castro's "maturing" -- doing everything for the revolution and nothing for "people", including his own friend. No matter what the successes, they should never come at the cost of being able to live with friends and without fear......Cuba has become a land like E. Germany, of fear and every second person , maybe even your wife or husband, reporting to the state security. ...
I don't think we should assume Castro's death will make a big difference. Atleast I don't believe so. Usually, the hardliners will make it a point to be even more hardline and unless there is a "hero" who steps up and takes out the cork, expect more of the more -- repression and control.
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cubanlord
Joined: 08 Jul 2005
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Here's something interesting for all of you to think about:
Who is more capable of offering and dealing with a classroom setting of 42 children screaming and hollaring:
A person that just graduated from an institution with a Ph.D. degree in Education and no inclass time or a person that has a Bachelor's degree in education with 30 years of teaching experience? |
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Ya-ta Boy
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Personally I like a rebel, I like it when the little guy stands up for themselves. What I don't like though is human right violations. So it's always been a catch 22 for me with respect to the leaders like Castro, Mao or Chavez. All very fascinating people just too bad that others are hurt in their path.
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It's really too bad for you that I have a gun and a vision of utopia, and you have neither. Since you don't fit into my vision, please step over to that wall and put on the blindfold. And hurry it up, there's a whole line of people behind you waiting their turn and I have no sense of moral abiguity about what I'm doing. Us rebels are like that. |
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Rteacher
Joined: 23 May 2005
Location: Western MA, USA
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| Most people realize that many people suffered brutal repression under Castro's regime. That kind of experience generates hatred... The conventional wisdom is that emotionalism clouds reason... People who are not at least somewhat emotionally detached may be blind to the best pragmatic solutions - and may be prone to seek revenge at any cost... |
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cosmicgirlie
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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Well I for one do NOT hope he dies. I do hope that he recovers but not because I think he's a great leader but as a fellow human being I wish him well in his recovery as wishing death upon a person is just downright nasty and rude and very unkind and shameful and all things negative.
Personally I like a rebel, I like it when the little guy stands up for themselves. What I don't like though is human right violations. So it's always been a catch 22 for me with respect to the leaders like Castro, Mao or Chavez. All very fascinating people just too bad that others are hurt in their path. |
If only you guys knew, out of experience rather than what you read and what you THINK you know soooooo much about....if only you knew...
Do you guys have families that had to go through some horrible stuff because of this munch woad? Do you guys, currently, have people still of blood relations, in Cuba, still suffering, because of the policies this guy has in place? Did YOUR grandparents have to flea their home country to avoid persecution for believing in what they believed? Did THEY have to worry about what whether or not they had food to feed the family that day? Did Your grandparents have to move to a foreign country WITH NO SAVINGS WHAT-SO-EVER and make it on their own in order to give their only son and daugther a chance at a free life?
You guys dare question my feelings and my integrity on this issue? You DARE compare your "opinions" and your "thoughts" and your "well, I am bored so I'll come on Dave's and write how I like someone "strong" that kills people for what they believe in" cutesy little responses?
You DARE step into the arena with me and throw out your in-experienced jargun at me for the sake of looking smart on this board?
Read what is under my avitar. Don't DARE assume, for any second what so ever that education superceeds experience my dear readers. Don't even begin to fathom that you can place an article or a book that you read up against personal life experiences. There is no comparison, there is no equal to experience itself. |
Just so you know doesn't mean I like the man, I just said I find him fascinating. I like the fact he stands for his principles even if I don't agree with them. How you can assume I am ill educated is more wrong than you will ever know. Just because I don't spew off words of great wisdom on a board that means crap all to me does not mean I'm ill educated. I will not go into the great depths of my experience nor education as it'll be a waste of time for you and myself. I'd rather not have an argument that runs in circles as you clearly believe you to be a superior human being. Either way it's all okay you can live in your world of hate. I won't hate on you for it. When you're ready to come out of the dark side you let me know until then I have nothing more to say to someone with so much pent up hatred. Personally I just think you need to go have a little self time with yourself and than maybe the land of happy can be achieved.
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cubanlord
Joined: 08 Jul 2005
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Well I for one do NOT hope he dies. I do hope that he recovers but not because I think he's a great leader but as a fellow human being I wish him well in his recovery as wishing death upon a person is just downright nasty and rude and very unkind and shameful and all things negative.
Personally I like a rebel, I like it when the little guy stands up for themselves. What I don't like though is human right violations. So it's always been a catch 22 for me with respect to the leaders like Castro, Mao or Chavez. All very fascinating people just too bad that others are hurt in their path. |
If only you guys knew, out of experience rather than what you read and what you THINK you know soooooo much about....if only you knew...
Do you guys have families that had to go through some horrible stuff because of this munch woad? Do you guys, currently, have people still of blood relations, in Cuba, still suffering, because of the policies this guy has in place? Did YOUR grandparents have to flea their home country to avoid persecution for believing in what they believed? Did THEY have to worry about what whether or not they had food to feed the family that day? Did Your grandparents have to move to a foreign country WITH NO SAVINGS WHAT-SO-EVER and make it on their own in order to give their only son and daugther a chance at a free life?
You guys dare question my feelings and my integrity on this issue? You DARE compare your "opinions" and your "thoughts" and your "well, I am bored so I'll come on Dave's and write how I like someone "strong" that kills people for what they believe in" cutesy little responses?
You DARE step into the arena with me and throw out your in-experienced jargun at me for the sake of looking smart on this board?
Read what is under my avitar. Don't DARE assume, for any second what so ever that education superceeds experience my dear readers. Don't even begin to fathom that you can place an article or a book that you read up against personal life experiences. There is no comparison, there is no equal to experience itself. |
Just so you know doesn't mean I like the man, I just said I find him fascinating. I like the fact he stands for his principles even if I don't agree with them. How you can assume I am ill educated is more wrong than you will ever know. Just because I don't spew off words of great wisdom on a board that means crap all to me does not mean I'm ill educated. I will not go into the great depths of my experience nor education as it'll be a waste of time for you and myself. I'd rather not have an argument that runs in circles as you clearly believe you to be a superior human being. Either way it's all okay you can live in your world of hate. I won't hate on you for it. When you're ready to come out of the dark side you let me know until then I have nothing more to say to someone with so much pent up hatred. Personally I just think you need to go have a little self time with yourself and than maybe the land of happy can be achieved.
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You missed the message. I wasn't saying you were ill or un educated. Here, I'll post it again since you didn't read everything:
Here's something interesting for all of you to think about:
Who is more capable of offering and dealing with a classroom setting of 42 children screaming and hollaring:
A person that just graduated from an institution with a Ph.D. degree in Education and no inclass time or a person that has a Bachelor's degree in education with 30 years of teaching experience?
You feel I have this pent up hatred for Castro?  What gave you that idea?  OF COURSE I DO! Furthermore, the point of what I said in what I quoted above is (in Laymen terms):
You can have all of the education in the world regarding a specific subject matter. You can be considered top tier in your "studies". However, he (or she) who has first hand experience in the subject matter, 30 years of physical presence experience and education will be more credible than the person that just sits around and reads all the time (especially those "reads" that are extremely subjected) and offers up opinions based on the "I'm looking from the outside in mentality rather than the inside out."
I don't feel superior at all. Although I do feel that I can offer up a more credible argument than someone that comes on here and starts spouting out quotes and facts that they have read but have never experienced. This is one of the very VERY rare cases in which I can actually say, "Yes, I know this stuff first hand".
Hhahahhaah..please don't think I am this guy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3s-0Ii4i04&search=translated
I'm not. Those that know me from this board know I am completely opposite. I'm sorry you mis-understood what I was saying. I never meant you weren't well-read or uneducated in the matter.
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Gopher
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| Here's a summary of Ochoa... |
Yes, sad story of Ochoa. What should also be stated and which I referred to in another thread, Ochoa was his best friend...that has been Castro's "maturing" -- doing everything for the revolution and nothing for "people", including his own friend. No matter what the successes, they should never come at the cost of being able to live with friends and without fear...Cuba has become a land like E. Germany, of fear and every second person , maybe even your wife or husband, reporting to the state security... |
Dammit, I find myself in agreement with you. What is this world coming to?
I guess some kind of congratulations are in order, as we have now agreed twice.
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| I don't think we should assume Castro's death will make a big difference... |
Perhaps you are not seeing this in the right context. Castro is part of a very old pattern in Latin American politics and political change: the strongman, or the caudillo, whose politics are almost purely "personalist" and not institutional.
When he dies, I predict, unfortunately, one degree or another of chaos, involving wrathfull Miami Cubans like CubanLord and their Alpha 66-style paramilitary/keystone kops "organizations" ("primero muertos que esclavos") followed by, perhaps a military coup, U.S. intervention of one form or another, with the capstone event being the probable emergence of yet another caudillo -- but this one will have to be sympathetic to U.S. interests. That is just the way it is probably going to go.
As far as whether Castro is worthy of our hatred, here is something I wrote on him approximately ten days ago...
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...there is much about Castro and his objectives that are admirable, including his commitment to medicine and public health. To see the good side of Castro and how he is indeed, in many respects, worthy of our respect and admiration see Lee Lockwood's Castro's Cuba, Cuba's Fidel -- a book I stronlgy recommend to anyone interested in Castro's personality as a young, idealistic revolutionary, and the early years of the Cuban Revolution, by the way. Also, if you have time, check out Smith's Closest of Enemies.
On the other hand, just as Kennedy's Alliance for Progress was compromised and undermined by his and his successors' irrational treatment of Havana and their overarching determination to fight and win the Cold War in Latin America and the Caribbean, Castro and his foreign policy have been driven almost exclusively by his desire to defy, spite, and harm the United States and its interests whenever and whereever possible -- and this has compromised and undermined all the good that he does indeed represent.
He has been involved, as in instigator, in conflicts all over Latin America and the Caribbean, as well as the entire African continent.
I do not know about exact numbers, but to say that his hands are not at least as bloody as Washington's is inaccurate and highly suggestive of partisan or antiAmerican bias.
Your assumption, however, reflects good insight. It is unlikely that any discussion of Castro or anything he does, especially on this board, can be balanced, dispassionate, or reasonable. You do not need to travel to Little Havana or the halls of the U.S. Congress to see this.
As for me, a young, 1960s Castro would be one of the three most interesting people in contemporary world history I would like to have dinner with...even if, when we talk about Castro today, in some respects, we are talking about an entirely different personality, in spite of the fact that the earlier Castro seems to have shown himself when he placed Cuban doctors at the airport and on standby in the wake of Katrina -- a gesture which was worthy of our highest praise and friendship.
And if you think that I do not have a consistent position on Castro, as reflected here and elsewhere, then I think that is good, because then you are experiencing some of the more fundamental and irreconciliable conflicts that the man's personality and actions project. |
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cubanlord
Joined: 08 Jul 2005
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| Here's a summary of Ochoa... |
Yes, sad story of Ochoa. What should also be stated and which I referred to in another thread, Ochoa was his best friend...that has been Castro's "maturing" -- doing everything for the revolution and nothing for "people", including his own friend. No matter what the successes, they should never come at the cost of being able to live with friends and without fear...Cuba has become a land like E. Germany, of fear and every second person , maybe even your wife or husband, reporting to the state security... |
Dammit, I find myself in agreement with you. What is this world coming to?
I guess some kind of congratulations are in order, as we have now agreed twice.
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| I don't think we should assume Castro's death will make a big difference... |
Perhaps you are not seeing this in the right context. Castro is part of a very old pattern in Latin American politics and political change: the strongman, or the caudillo, whose politics are almost purely "personalist" and not institutional.
When he dies, I predict, unfortunately, one degree or another of chaos, involving wrathfull Miami Cubans like CubanLord and their Alpha 66-style paramilitary/keystone kops "organizations" ("primero muertos que esclavos") followed by, perhaps a military coup, U.S. intervention of one form or another, with the capstone event being the probable emergence of yet another caudillo -- but this one will have to be sympathetic to U.S. interests. That is just the way it is probably going to go. |
Hi Gopher, long time no talk. Nice to see you around again.
On to the topic:
Question to you, Gopher, my friend:
If you had family that was virtually ousted from a country because of one man and one man alone, would YOU not have some...ummm..."reservations" towards him? Would you too feel the least bit "happy" upon hearing his condition?
How about this:
If your family didn't have food because of him? If your family ran the risk of dying because of what they believed in? If your family ran the risk of dying from disease, would you still take such an objective stance? I am not talking about ancestors, I am talking about your PARENT AND GRANDPARENTS MAN! |
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Gopher
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CubanLord: gracias por las preguntas.
Yes, I have many reservations about Castro. I wish he had stepped down from power decades ago, for one thing. I do not like what he has done with this power that he consolidated around himself, personally, and I never liked fidelismo or foquismo as a method for political change either -- too bitter; too militant; too destructive. I also do not much care for his rabid and unquenchable antiAmericanism either.
On the other hand, we are also talking about one of the greatest men of the twentieth century -- a man worthy of our admiration and not our scorn or hatred in many respects.
If we can appreciate that Anakin Skywalker has good and bad qualities, and, incredibly, if we can develop sympathy for Darth Vader, one of the greatest villains of all time, I do not see how we can not look at Fidel Castro as a man torn by similar ambiguities.
Castro is no Hitler, Stalin, Hussein, or bin Laden, for example, and it is nonsense to compare him to these monsters -- their deaths, by the way, I might celebrate as good for all of us. But I do not see too much that is good about Castro dying, except that it may allow some conflicts to be put to rest.
And you do not need to cite hypothetical examples for me to understand that Castro has caused Cubans suffering, as I have first-hand knowledge of a thing or two concerning Cubans and Cuban affairs. Regretfully, that is as far as I can go to help you understand that I understand this. |
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cosmicgirlie
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You missed the message. I wasn't saying you were ill or un educated. Here, I'll post it again since you didn't read everything:
Here's something interesting for all of you to think about:
Who is more capable of offering and dealing with a classroom setting of 42 children screaming and hollaring:
A person that just graduated from an institution with a Ph.D. degree in Education and no inclass time or a person that has a Bachelor's degree in education with 30 years of teaching experience?
You feel I have this pent up hatred for Castro? What gave you that idea? OF COURSE I DO! Furthermore, the point of what I said in what I quoted above is (in Laymen terms):
You can have all of the education in the world regarding a specific subject matter. You can be considered top tier in your "studies". However, he (or she) who has first hand experience in the subject matter, 30 years of physical presence experience and education will be more credible than the person that just sits around and reads all the time (especially those "reads" that are extremely subjected) and offers up opinions based on the "I'm looking from the outside in mentality rather than the inside out."
I don't feel superior at all. Although I do feel that I can offer up a more credible argument than someone that comes on here and starts spouting out quotes and facts that they have read but have never experienced. This is one of the very VERY rare cases in which I can actually say, "Yes, I know this stuff first hand".
Hhahahhaah..please don't think I am this guy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3s-0Ii4i04&search=translated
I'm not. Those that know me from this board know I am completely opposite. I'm sorry you mis-understood what I was saying. I never meant you weren't well-read or uneducated in the matter. |
Appology accepted.
Just a question or two. Do you believe in empathy? With that in mind, can a person who might not experience something first hand at least have the ability to have empathy? Can that said person not have the ability to put themselves in the shoes of another? Just because a person might not have the first hand experience does not mean they can not at least empathize and place themselves in the shoes of that person.
I'm not discounting the fact that experience can play a role in your ability to perform a job--without my personal experience I could not be the person I am on the job--but my first time out I had at least the ability to put myself in the shoes of what a good teacher could be like. |
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