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canuckistan
Mod Team

Joined: 17 Jun 2003
Location: Training future GS competitors.....

Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 7:08 pm Post subject:

chronicpride wrote:

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Of course a journalist is going to overlook giving a little favoritism to the scooper, he's going to look for wherever the mud is and report about it

Hoisted by their own petard.

Priceless Very Happy

RokofKangnam

Joined: 20 Sep 2005
Location: Between a ROK and a Hard Place

Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 7:31 pm Post subject:

The owner of the kimchipot must have talked to the reporter. Talk about trying to cover ones own tracks!

TheUrbanMyth

Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 7:38 pm Post subject:

RokofKangnam wrote:

The owner of the kimchipot must have talked to the reporter.

Talk about trying to cover ones own tracks!

Rolling Eyes

He did talk to the KH. Read the article again. After doing his best to stir the pot, he then goes whining to the KH.

RokofKangnam

Joined: 20 Sep 2005
Location: Between a ROK and a Hard Place

Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 7:48 pm Post subject:

TheUrbanMyth wrote:

RokofKangnam wrote:

The owner of the kimchipot must have talked to the reporter.

Talk about trying to cover ones own tracks!

Rolling Eyes

He did talk to the KH. Read the article again. After doing his best to stir the pot, he then goes whining to the KH.

Yes, that is what I was trying to say, thank you.

Tiberious aka Sparkles

Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Location: I'm one cool cat!

Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 8:07 pm Post subject:

What a maroon! _*_

RokofKangnam

Joined: 20 Sep 2005
Location: Between a ROK and a Hard Place

Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 8:24 pm Post subject:

If his online persona is any indication of the way he runs his business, it would be surprising if he lasted 2 months. Don't tell me that anyone form this site actually orders from him. There are much cheaper ways to order books in the ROK.

chronicpride

Joined: 16 Jan 2003

Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 8:26 pm Post subject:

and here we go again...

periwinkle

Joined: 08 Feb 2003

Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 8:57 pm Post subject:

RokofKangnam wrote:

If his online persona is any indication of the way he runs his business, it would be surprising if he lasted 2 months. Don't tell me that anyone form this site actually orders from him. There are much cheaper ways to order books in the ROK.

Why take pot shots at his business? I've ordered books from him, and it was smooth sailing. Great shop. Need to go back soon and trade in some books, actually. easier than wading through masses of people at Coex or Kyobo. As for the "interview", after what Canuckistan said about none of the mods being contacted, how do you know the guy even interviewed him? He could have taken a comment (or a construed a comment, rather) from one of his posts. And that article used Shaun Matthews death as a way to sensationalize the article, which I think is wrong.

Privateer

Joined: 31 Aug 2005
Location: Easy Street.

Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 9:07 pm Post subject:

Hyeon Een wrote:

Privateer wrote:

A Korean woman hitting back?

Quote:

What is more extraordinary still to European ears, is that I once actually saw a wife stand up for her husband, and she did it in a way that I am not likely soon to forget.

A soldier was peacefully walking along a narrow street, half of which was a sort of drain canal, the water of which was frozen over, when a man came out of a house and stopped him. The conversation became hot at once, and with my usual curiosity, the only virtue I have ever possessed, I stopped to see the result.

"You must pay me back the money I lent you," said the civilian in a very angry tone of voice.

"I have not got it," answered the military man, trying to get away.

"Ah! you have not got it?" screamed a third personage, a woman emerging from the doorway, and without further notice hit the soldier on the head with the heavy wooden mallet commonly used for beating clothes.

The husband, encouraged by this unexpected reinforcement, boldly attacked the soldier, and, whilst they were occupied in wrestling and trying to knock each other down, the infuriated woman kept up a constant administration of blows, half at least of which, in her aimless hurry, were received by the companion of her life for whom she was fighting. Once she hit the poor man so hard�by mistake�that he fell down in a dead faint, upon which the soldier ran for his life, while she, jumping like a tiger at him, caught him by the throat, spinned him round like a top, and floored him, knocking him down on the ice. Then she pounced on him, with her eyes out of her head with anger, and giving way to her towering passion, pounded him on the head with her heels while she was hitting him on the back with her mallet.

"You have killed my husband, too, you scoundrel!" she cried, while the defeated warrior was struggling hard, though in vain, to escape.

As she was about to administer him a blow on the head that would have been enough to kill a bull, she fortunately slipped on the ice and went sprawling over her victim. The soldier, more dead than alive, had raised himself on his knees, when that demon in female attire rose again and embracing him most tenderly, bit his cheek so hard as to draw a regular stream of blood. I could stand it no longer, and proceeded on to the slippery ice to try to separate them, but hardly was I within reach than I was presented with a sound blow on my left knee from the mallet which she was still manipulating with alarming dexterity, by which I was at once placed hors de combat before I had time even to offer my services as a peace-maker. Not only that, but besides the numberless "stars" which she made me see, the pain which she caused me was so intense that, hopping along as best I could on to the street again, I deemed it prudent to let them fight out their own quarrel and go about my own business.

"Never again as long as I live," I swore, when I was well out of sight, as I rubbed my poor knee, swollen up to the size of an egg, "never shall I interfere in other people's quarrels. Who would have foreseen this? and from a woman, too!"

Imagine what Superfly has go through.

A. Henry-Savage Landor is that you??? I thought you were dead!

Is that ... Isabella Bird??

chiaa

Joined: 23 Aug 2003

Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 9:49 pm Post subject:

periwinkle wrote:

RokofKangnam wrote:

That's all these people know how to do (the little clique here at the ESL Cafe). Rokofkangnam likes to send me little pms when some kind of flame war is going on and ask how business is going. ROK, I have been in business for three years and I can say with a bit of certainty that I make more in five days than you do in a month. So leave the Monday morning quarterbacking alone; you have no idea about me or What the Book?.

I am not happy with the article. I was presented with an article for approval--which I gave--and another article was printed. I had Chris from the KH calling me 100 times at my place of business but he was told every time that I was unavailable as I was in hospital. I eventually had to call him from there because my employees were getting pissed off.

As for my quotes, I did say them but they are presented in a way that makes it seem like they were said in the same breath. I actually said them at two different times. I did not seek out this article, but I was more than happy to participate in it. This clique here at the cafe has ruined what was once a great board. There is nothing but shit threads and posts. That would be fine (my board is similar) but this is the only board to claim to be the ESL industry standard and having some kind of moral high ground. Hell, just look at the babies in the freezer thread. Dead baby jokes sure were being flown around. Is that more tasteful than the Haiku threads on the old expat site? Have little *beeps* to cover up foul language does not make this place the end all moral high ground for message boards. A quick look in the mirror is in order.

In all honesty, I would rather not being running my board; I am just way too busy. But as long as this place operates and lets the moderators have their little controling power trips, I am going to have an board that is an alternative to expats living in Korea.

periwinkle

Joined: 08 Feb 2003

Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 9:49 pm Post subject:

VL Cupper, looks like you visited some interesting bars in Thailand...

Tiberious aka Sparkles

Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Location: I'm one cool cat!

Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2006 1:38 am Post subject:

chiaa wrote:

In all honesty, I would rather not being running my board; I am just way too busy. But as long as this place operates and lets the moderators have their little controling power trips, I am going to have an board that is an alternative to expats living in Korea.

_*_

TonyD

Joined: 30 Jul 2006
Location: Ulsan

Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2006 2:27 am Post subject:

chiaa wrote:

That's all these people know how to do (the little clique here at the ESL Cafe).

And isn't that the reason we all got trashed in the Korea Herald? Seriously people, we really need to clean our own act up before going after the Herald and Chiaa. If there wasn't anything to call us on then there wouldn't be any articles. Simple!

trevorcollins

Joined: 02 Jul 2004

Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2006 2:37 am Post subject: Re: Another Article From the Korean Herald

Teufelswacht wrote:

If this has been posted elsewhere, sorry.

Quote:

Cyber-stalkers roam free on EFL websites

It's the fastest growing "sport" in Korea's EFL community. Right now, a person is posting a racist message using obscene language on a website dedicated to teaching English in Korea. Another, possibly on the other side of the world, is busy slandering a person they will never meet with allegations that would make even Jerry Springer blush.

Welcome to a normal day in the life of chat forums hosted on sites such as English Spectrum, ESL Cafe, Expat in Korea, the Kimchi Pot, The Korea Herald and the Seoul Times - all of which have come in for varying degrees of criticism for allowing their members to post racist and insulting comments with limited or no moderation.

Bad enough in isolated incidences, but following the suicide of Shawn Matthews - an English teacher who achieved internet fame in Korea's EFL community for his prolific blogging - in May, the sinister nature of cyber-stalking campaigns has come to the fore.

Chris Chiavetta, a Seoul businessman and co-owner of the Kimchi Pot - itself a site where obscene language and racist comments are commonplace - claims that for several weeks, moderators and posters on Dave's ESL Cafe Korea Job Forums participated in an online free-for-all where he was accused of being a "murderer" and calls were made to boycott his business.

According to Chaivetta, the attacks were fuelled by allegations on ESL Cafe that he relentlessly harassed 32-year-old Matthews and his ex-girlfriend with derogatory e-mails and online postings until the English teacher was forced to take his own life.

"The disturbing thing is that at no time did I do what I was being accused of," said Chiavetta. "A few comments critical of someone's writing ability is not stalking."

In May, Paul Robertson, CEO of EFL-Law, said he was the victim of cyber-stalkers after his name and website were targeted on ESL Cafe and Expat in Korea - another site with supposedly secret forums where members can write without moderation - by several posters with membership of both sites.

"Apparently, one of these posters was stalking me because I was supposed to have given him incorrect information," he said. "But these people were blatantly lying. Why did the moderators and site owners allow these sick attacks to take place when they knew what was being written was utterly false?"

While registration is required to post messages on these boards, they are open for reading by anyone surfing the internet.

David, 36, an English teacher now living in Japan, claims he was also cyber-stalked after arguing with a moderator and being banned from ESL Cafe.

"An anonymous post was put up on a Korean police bulletin board saying I was a drug dealer and a pedophile," he said.

The message, which contained an e-mail address that David had used exclusively for ESL Cafe registration, confirmed his suspicions that someone with moderator powers had accessed the site's database for malicious purposes.

"To read something like that, something which was so untrue, made me sick to my stomach," said David.

According to a former moderator on ESL Cafe, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, Dave Sperling, founder of ESL Cafe, is not involved in the day-to-day running of his site's discussion forums.

"Complete control has been handed over to a couple of moderators who use this power to censor those who do not agree with them," he said.

Robertson said an injustice such as the one David suffered could never happen on EFL-Law because of his site's high standards of moderation.

"We follow a strict moderating code," he said. "No foul or abusive language and no defamation of individuals or businesses. We're trying to rise above the pack and discuss Korea and EFL topics with decorum and respect."

Neither Dave Sperling, nor ESL Cafe moderators, responded to requests to be interviewed for this story.

([email protected])

By John Scott Marchant

2006.08.02

http://www.koreaherald.co.kr/SITE/data/html_dir/2006/08/02/200608020037.asp

Interesting stuff.
It's funny how much people are derailing this thread in an effort to avoid blame being cast, rational discussion being had. If only they'd thought to do that a month or two ago with the whole ugly post Shawner suicide blame game.
It speaks volumes in my opinion.

trevorcollins

Joined: 02 Jul 2004

Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2006 2:41 am Post subject:

RokofKangnam wrote:

Thanks for proving what that newspaper article said, 100%.

Rolling Eyes

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