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PostPosted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 4:24 am    Post subject: The White Man's (and Woman's ;->) Burden. . . Reply with quote

Humanitarian Intervention
The White Man's Burden?

By MICHAEL NEUMANN

If we look at the world through the eyes of a nouveau-imperialist, few things are more certain than that humanitarian intervention is the special and last prerogative of the white race (known in polite circles as The West). When the Americans, Canadians, British, French, Germans, Norwegians, Danes, Belgians, Spanish and Dutch go into Afghanistan(*), we can rest assured that the few dark faces will not spoil the party: the commanders, the decision-makers will be white, as will the the bulk of the crackers--crackers of every nation--who make up the rank and file. These are blessed circumstances. Killing, racial supremacy and morality--how often do we see these enjoyable items so closely, so irreproachably bound together?

This is why the humanitarian imperialist is so deeply offended when non-whites insolently usurp the humanitarian prerogative. Perhaps it is worse when there is an Iranian connection, because then it is necessary to ignore the fact that Iranians are not only white but (if the term has any legitimate meaning) Aryan. But ignorance conquers all, and these subtleties are lost on the good ole boys of the West (and the pseudo-West, i.e., Israel): The Iranians wear funny turbans. Hizballah leaders wear funny turbans. People who wear funny turbans aren't really white. So these guys aren't really white. Such are the joys of redneck logic. Yet the White Man's humanitarian burden could be Hizballah's burden as well.

Hizballah's raid on Israel may have sparked the current conflict in Lebanon, but it is also a very plausible case of humanitarian intervention. In the first place, it was apparently intended to help the Palestinians in the occupied territories, who certainly could use some help. For over thirty years they have been under Israel's tyranny--there is no other word for a government which holds (and generously exercises) the power of life and death over a population which has no voice whatever in that government. They are brutalized; they are malnourished; they are continually threatened by a settler movement resolved to take every inch of land from them. This bloody occupation is, according to many Israeli military men, of no strategic value, and it is clear that Israel would do much better to mind its own borders than to spread its forces all over the landscape in order to defend settler enclaves. So this is just plain tyranny, not self-defense, and Palestinian resistance is justified. If it is justified, so is Hizballah's attempt to support it.

In the second place, Hizballah fights to keep Israel out of Lebanon. That it sometimes initiates attacks on Israel in no way undermines this claim: sometimes the best defense is offense. And here too, the strategy certainly seems to incorporate humanitarian aims.

Hizballah came into existence as a response to Israel's earlier invasion of Lebanon, to a man-made humanitarian disaster in which tens of thousands of innocent lives were lost, and which features the atrocity of Sabra and Shatilla, described here by the organization Jewish Voice for Peace:

"From September 16 to 19 [1982], the Maronite Phalangist militia rampaged through Sabra and Shatilla. The camps were sealed off by Israeli soldiers who remained outside. Some later reported unease at the noises they heard, but no sound emanating from the camps could have betrayed the horror that was taking place inside them. When it was all over, the number of dead was estimated by Israel at between 700 and 800, the Lebanese government issued over 1,200 death certificates in the camps and the Palestinian Red Crescent Society put the death toll at over 2,000. Subsequent attempts at estimating the dead ranged from the Israeli figure to as many as 3,500. But in the end, the number is not what is most important. Even if it were the low figure, which seems unlikely, this would not diminish the horrifying nature of the atrocity. Thousands of men, women and children were killed, beaten, raped and tortured. The stories that emerged from survivors of Sabra and Shatilla were as chilling as those from any war or atrocity in history."

There is no proof but every reason to suspect that Israel's commander Ariel Sharon--and the much-admired Israeli intelligence services--knew very well what was happening. Certainly Israel had demonstrated, by its exuberant bombing of Lebanese civilians, that no decency would restrain it from such collusion.

So the Lebanese can reasonably expect Israel to invade when it likes, and to usher in a legion of atrocities: it is not as if Israel has subsequently found compassion or indeed anything else to restrain it in its treatment of 'Arabs'. The Lebanese army has again and again proven utterly incapable of defending the country. Only Hizballah has proven its ability to deal with the Israelis, and only by the sort of aggressive defence for which it is known. So here too, Hizballah fights on behalf of a helpless, threatened population; its insertion of military forces into South Lebanon can plausibly count as humanitarian intervention.

To some this may seem laughable. How can unprovoked attacks on a sovereign nation, one which made no obvious move to attack across its Northern border, count as humanitarian intervention? Whoever asks this is unfamiliar with the concept's wonderful elasticity. In terms of (how old-fashioned!) international law, humanitarian intervention is almost always aggressive and almost always contemptuous of sovereignty: it is not as if Afghanistan ever dreamed of attacking anyone, yet my Canadian newspaper is full of heart-warming stories about the fine young men and women who are travelling thousands of miles to kill as many inhumane Afghans as possible. In fact the lessons of Rwanda and Srebrenica, countlessly reiterated by large white people such as Michael Ignatieff, are that 'we're too fussy' about borders and sovereignty, too wimpy about shedding blood, too passive when we should be, not only aggressive, but pre-emptively so.

Now it may be true that Hizballah is also acting in its own interests and/or those of other countries seeking to extend their influence. Under the new rules of humanitarian intervention, as articulated by Ignatieff and others, that's just fine. Ignatieff mocks unmanly whiners who protest that America, in its humanitarian interventions, is following its own agenda--of course it is. Self-interest is part of what makes humanitarian intervention such great fun.

It may also be true that Hizballah's actions have led to a disaster for the Lebanese; perhaps for the Palestinians as well. (This may be the case even if it's odd to blame Hizballah for Israel's murderous excesses.) But failure doesn't seem to matter much for the humanitarian imperialist--only robotic ideologues would claim success for their humanitarian interventions in Afghanistan, Somalia or Rwanda. The response to failure is to 'stay the course', i.e., persist whatever the military and civilian losses, and Hizballah certainly seems ready to make just such a response.

Finally it must be stressed that, against humanitarian intervention, a country has absolutely no right of self-defense. Israel's correct response to the raid, according to this doctrine, would be to free the Palestinians and respect the sovereignty of its neighbors. A criminal has no active right of self-defense and neither, it seems, does a criminal state.

Not everyone would agree that Israel is indeed such a state, but according to the doctrine of humanitarian intervention, it doesn't take much to fit the bill. Thus Serbia became a criminal state because of (i) uncertain connections to poorly understood massacres outside its borders, and (ii) concerns about its treatment of civilians in Kosovo, part of its territory but claimed by some to be occupied. The parallel with Israel in Lebanon and the occupied territories is unmistakable. Indeed the case against Israel is quite as strong as against other stigmatized nations: human rights organizations have held Israel guilty of crimes against humanity and war crimes; international jurists have added violations of international law and defiance of UN resolutions.

The doctrine of humanitarian intervention is certainly flawed and certainly dubious. It is well on the way, however, to becoming an international article of faith, and it rests on the fateful precedents set by idiotic American ideologues and their spineless European catamites. Properly interpreted, it may have some merit: few can applaud the caution of Western powers in Rwanda. This must be borne in mind when it is said that, after all, Israel has a right to defend itself.

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(*) Every country contributing forces is predominantly 'white' except perhaps for Turkey, a country which aspires to join the paradigmatically white European community.

Michael Neumann is a professor of philosophy at Trent University in Ontario, Canada. Professor Neumann's views are not to be taken as those of his university. His book What's Left: Radical Politics and the Radical Psyche has just been republished by Broadview Press. He contributed the essay, "What is Anti-Semitism", to CounterPunch's book, The Politics of Anti-Semitism. His latest book is The Case Against Israel. He can be reached at: [email protected].


http://counterpunch.org/neumann07292006.html
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 8:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey RSR hope you don't mind me interupting your Hizbollah apologist session by showing what Hizzbollah really is and what they are really about.



Quote:
Breakthrough made in �94 Argentina bombing
Hezbollah militant named in attack on Jewish community center

AP
This undated picture shows Ibrahim Hussein Berro, a Lebanese citizen and member of the Iranian-backed Hezbollah. He was recently identified as the suicide bomber who attacked an Argentinian Jewish community center in 1994, killing 85.


Updated: 9:17 p.m. ET Nov. 9, 2005
BUENOS AIRES, Argentina - A Hezbollah militant has been identified as the suicide bomber who flattened a Jewish community center in 1994, killing 85 people in Argentina�s worst terrorist attack, prosecutors said Wednesday


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9983810/from/RL.5/

Israel got a Hizzbollah leader and how did Hizzbollah hit back ? they went to slaughter Jews outside of the middle east.


but the words of their supereme leader tell it all



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�if they (Jews) all gather in Israel, it will save us the trouble of going after them worldwide.�


Hizbullah leader Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah


Nasrallah alleges �Christian Zionist� plot
The Daily Star | October 23 2002 | Badih Chayban


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/774649/posts

Yep they are not anti Jewish they are only anti zionist Rolling Eyes
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On the other hand



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 8:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

RSR:

Thanks for posting some Michael Neumann. He's probably the best Counterpunch columnist, in my opinion. And doesn't always toe the standard left-wing line, either. Always a good read.
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 7:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So let me get this . Hizzbollah is justified in attacking Israel in order to deter Israel from hitting back at them because they launch "humanitarian" attacks attacks in support of Hamas who was attacking Israel and wants to destroy Israel.

All this in the light of Israel has no designs on Lebanon except to not allow it to be used as a base for attacks on Israel. Hamas is out to destroy Israel, there would have been no Israeli attack on them if they did not attack Israel.

And there would be no occupation if Arafat had accepted Bill Clinton's peace plan and last of all Hizzbollah is far more concerned with destroying Israel then they are about a Palestinian state or even Palestinians.

The fact is that Hizzbollah is nothing but a hate group that wants to wipe out Israel and more than that wants the mideast jew free. And in truth wants a world without Jews.

This article was nothing more that an apologist piece for a hate group and those who post it or support it are apologizing for and supporting a hate group.

Yes sir those thar fraidom fightin Klansman er jus defendin duh deesunt white folk agaiinst dem evil black people. Rolling Eyes


Nothing more than that.


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Privateer



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 9:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

On the other hand wrote:
RSR:

Thanks for posting some Michael Neumann. He's probably the best Counterpunch columnist, in my opinion. And doesn't always toe the standard left-wing line, either. Always a good read.


A good read or a rabid rant?
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cwemory



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 2:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Spanish are white?
Since when?
Does the Klu Klux Klan know yet?
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 2:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Iranians? Hurumph...
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Kuros



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 4:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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So the Lebanese can reasonably expect Israel to invade when it likes, and to usher in a legion of atrocities: it is not as if Israel has subsequently found compassion or indeed anything else to restrain it in its treatment of 'Arabs'. The Lebanese army has again and again proven utterly incapable of defending the country. Only Hizballah has proven its ability to deal with the Israelis, and only by the sort of aggressive defence for which it is known. So here too, Hizballah fights on behalf of a helpless, threatened population; its insertion of military forces into South Lebanon can plausibly count as humanitarian intervention.

To some this may seem laughable. How can unprovoked attacks on a sovereign nation, one which made no obvious move to attack across its Northern border, count as humanitarian intervention? Whoever asks this is unfamiliar with the concept's wonderful elasticity. In terms of (how old-fashioned!) international law, humanitarian intervention is almost always aggressive and almost always contemptuous of sovereignty: it is not as if Afghanistan ever dreamed of attacking anyone, yet my Canadian newspaper is full of heart-warming stories about the fine young men and women who are travelling thousands of miles to kill as many inhumane Afghans as possible. In fact the lessons of Rwanda and Srebrenica, countlessly reiterated by large white people such as Michael Ignatieff, are that 'we're too fussy' about borders and sovereignty, too wimpy about shedding blood, too passive when we should be, not only aggressive, but pre-emptively so.

Now it may be true that Hizballah is also acting in its own interests and/or those of other countries seeking to extend their influence. Under the new rules of humanitarian intervention, as articulated by Ignatieff and others, that's just fine. Ignatieff mocks unmanly whiners who protest that America, in its humanitarian interventions, is following its own agenda--of course it is. Self-interest is part of what makes humanitarian intervention such great fun.


Interesting, so the invasion by Hezbollah is likened to the Western adventures in Afghanistan. I guess I missed the news conference where the West implied it was going to wipe Afghanistan off the map.

But it is good to see someone on the Far Left spit his vitrol at Hezbollah, even if he can't bear to do it directly but must imply it through analogy.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 02, 2006 4:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Israel's invasion is immoral. The invasion of Iraq is as well. The invasion of Afghanistan is not.

I guess you'd have to ask yourself who's worse, an American, British or French "Cracker" or a Taliban general. Better yet go ask a typical Afghani woman in Kabul who they'd rather have running the show until things settle down. It's amazing what people write from their safe, comfortable western sanctuaries. I'm a lefty and all but before writing his pap the author should honestly have asked himself if he would have enjoyed living under Taliban Sharia law.

If he's so worried about "whitey taking over" Rolling Eyes he should talk to that other "Cracker" Kofi Annan and the 600 international UN Peacekeepers he wants to send into Lebanon. By the way Hezbollah, the Palestinians, Lebanese and Syrians are also Caucasian so it's kinda ridiculous to cite 'white man's burden', even Kipling would have agreed.


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Interesting, so the invasion by Hezbollah is likened to the Western adventures in Afghanistan. I guess I missed the news conference where the West implied it was going to wipe Afghanistan off the map.


I guess I missed the Hezbollah "invasion".

And Joo,

I know of few people who say "'such and such' is ok". It's usually you,
Herr Torture.








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PostPosted: Wed Aug 02, 2006 6:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The Spanish are white?
Since when?
Does the Klu Klux Klan know yet?


There's always been a debate about South Europeans among the chronic racists in the crowd, but the answer is moot anyway because they are anti-Catholic and cross the Spanish and Italians off the cool list with that regulation.
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 02, 2006 7:20 am    Post subject: Re: ... Reply with quote

Nowhere Man wrote:
]Interesting, so the invasion by Hezbollah is likened to the Western adventures in Afghanistan. I guess I missed the news conference where the West implied it was going to wipe Afghanistan off the map.


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I guess I missed the Hezbollah "invasion".


well they did attack didn't they

And Joo,

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I know of few people who say "'such and such' is ok". It's usually you,
Herr Torture.



The faster Bathism Khomenism and Bin Ladensim are gone from the world the less human rights violations there will be. They are the most cruel idologies anywhere . Those who support them are supporting the biggest rascists and killiers on the planet with the exception of North Korea.

Hizzbollah , Iran and the Bathists won't give up their war. That is the problem not Israel and not the US.

Well I guess if you don't have a problem apologizing for fascists like Hizzbollah then I guess we ought not be suprised when you apologize for bigots like Igothisguitar.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 02, 2006 7:41 am    Post subject: ... Reply with quote

So, schmendrick, I suppose you have evidence of an "invasion"?
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 02, 2006 8:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
in�va�sion ( P ) Pronunciation Key (n-vzhn)
n.
The act of invading, especially the entrance of an armed force into a territory to conquer.
A large-scale onset of something injurious or harmful, such as a disease.
An intrusion or encroachment.




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Not a week later, Hezbollah made its
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intrusion
into Israel with the clear connection of


http://wpherald.com/articles/530/2/Analysis-The-curse-of-sponsored-Arab-democracy-Pt2/-Fateful-link.html


Well there is hope Nowhereman you could always invite Hizzbollah to join your anti war coalition they would fit in right along with Igothisguitar.


Anyway I liked the last Unicorn too.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 02, 2006 7:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why does RSR always post articles and add zero original thought? He must watch a lot of The 700 Club with cognitive abilities like that, i.e. hear someone's idea of the "truth" and spit it out as if it came from some divine source like Pat Robertson.
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