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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

PostPosted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 5:53 am    Post subject: You + are = you're Reply with quote

'You' is a pronoun. 'Are' is a verb (the 'be' verb to be specific). When you put them together, they equal 'you're'. The meaning stays the same.

'YOUR' on the other hand, is a possessive pronoun. Like 'Your shirt is blue. My shirt is yellow.'

While an occassional mistake or typo is natural, it isn't that fu*king difficult to keep these two words separate. Yes, I know you're (you are) mom called tonight with bad news about you're (you are) family and your (house? car?) in a bad mood, but you're (you are) bad grammar doesn't have that excuse. Christ on a cookie. Get with the program.
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VanIslander



Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!

PostPosted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 5:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just wrote on your other thread: "You aren't far enough away" (from yer family)

You're not quibbling with that too, are ya?

Ya-Ta Boy wrote:
You' is a pronoun. 'Are' is a verb (the 'be' verb to be specific). When you put them together, they equal 'you're'. The meaning stays the same.

Your right.

I don't do that as a habit and it used to bother me,... BACK IN HIGH SCHOOL!
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Junior



Joined: 18 Nov 2005
Location: the eye

PostPosted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 6:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

English is a living breathing language, an evolving entity. There are no rules. So long as your understand what meaning is being conveyed it doesn't matter.

if i agreed with you, you'd have to agree with me that American english is horribly flawed and incorrect. But apparently its all in the eye of the beholder. or behearer, nobody can preside in judgement. Let him who never says 'aint" slang the first stone.
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Qinella



Joined: 25 Feb 2005
Location: the crib

PostPosted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 6:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

And thus, the battle of the Prescriptivists vs. the Descriptivists has begun!

Bom Bum BBBOOOMMMMMM!!!!!!!

뿌뿌 뿌뿌 뿌뿌 뿌뿌!

And while we're at it, let's have quick lesson on how to use the subjunctive form.

If I was you, I'd kill myself.
wrong

If I were you, I'd kill myself.
right


Q.
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

PostPosted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 8:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A few years ago, a favorite word here at Dave's was 'dribble'. Unfortunately, the posters meant 'drivel' but were so stupid they didn't know the difference.
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EFLtrainer



Joined: 04 May 2005

PostPosted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 9:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Junior wrote:
English is a living breathing language, an evolving entity. There are no rules. So long as your understand what meaning is being conveyed it doesn't matter.

if i agreed with you, you'd have to agree with me that American english is horribly flawed and incorrect. But apparently its all in the eye of the beholder. or behearer, nobody can preside in judgement. Let him who never says 'aint" slang the first stone.


Sorry, I disagree. Grammar does matter, but is not the best focus for learning a language. It *should* be taught and followed as much as possible.

Yes, language does change, but not typically grammar first. It comes from changes in usage of words. In fact, without checking myself, I doubt you could find a significant change in grammar over the last 100 or more years. Lots of changes in usage, however. Adverbs, for example, are changing rapid(ly).

As for Brit English being better, I disagree. It's older, thus more fossilized. ON the weekend? Egad.... On Friday, on Saturday, fine. But the weekend is TWO days, for frick's sake. During the weekend? Fine. ON the weekend? Aargh...

AT hospital. At THE freakin' hospital, OK??

Smile
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EFLtrainer



Joined: 04 May 2005

PostPosted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 9:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ya-ta Boy wrote:
A few years ago, a favorite word here at Dave's was 'dribble'. Unfortunately, the posters meant 'drivel' but were so stupid they didn't know the difference.


No, ya-ta, wrong. They have been interchangeable for as long as I've been alive. "Don't give me that drivel."

"Don't give me that dribble."

Both are OK, though drivel is much more common.
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Wangja



Joined: 17 May 2004
Location: Seoul, Yongsan

PostPosted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 12:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As a passenger in the late 70's, I once gave a stewardess a really hard time flying back from Saudi Arabia: seeking to have the last word, she sneeringly said:-

"Do you know you drivel when you're asleep, Sir?"

I did not understand what she meant until I learned today that "drivel" = "dribble".

Drivelling while I sleep ...... hahaha .... bollox ...
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Wangja



Joined: 17 May 2004
Location: Seoul, Yongsan

PostPosted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 12:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

EFLtrainer wrote:


As for Brit English being better, I disagree. It's older, thus more fossilized. ON the weekend? Egad.... On Friday, on Saturday, fine. But the weekend is TWO days, for frick's sake. During the weekend? Fine. ON the weekend? Aargh...

AT hospital. At THE freakin' hospital, OK??

Smile


Older = more fossilised?? Do you read what you write?

On the weekend AFAIK is an Americanism and nobody in my circle would say "on the weekend" - apart from my American chums.

I have never heard "at hospital" but I have heard "at school", "at church" etc. Adding the definite article changes the meaning.
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jinks



Joined: 27 Oct 2004
Location: Formerly: Lower North Island

PostPosted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 3:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

EFLtrainer wrote:
As for Brit English being better, I disagree. It's older, thus more fossilized. ON the weekend? Egad.... On Friday, on Saturday, fine. But the weekend is TWO days, for frick's sake. During the weekend? Fine. ON the weekend? Aargh...AT hospital. At THE freakin' hospital, OK??Smile


Umm, one variety of English is not better than another, though there certainly are differences.
"As for Brit English being better, I disagree. It's older, thus more fossilized."
INCORRECT: As well as being very innovative in creating new forms, US English has held onto a lot of archaic usages, long since abandoned by British English speakers. 'Ain't' is a good example of older language usages being retained by American English speakers, long after British English speakers have forgotten them. Interestingly 'Americanisms' that are often resisted by purist British English speakers are usually old British forms reintroduced via International (US) popular culture.
With regard to your / you're, don't be such a flake and try to pass off ignorance as "living language" it's a freaking spelling mistake. Be an English teacher, sure there is no need to flame your friends or social connections for English errors, but if you are an English teacher you should know the difference!
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Scott in Incheon



Joined: 30 Aug 2004

PostPosted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 4:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If everyone who points out this mistake actually knew something about education and learning, then they would know it is classified as a miscue. It is rarely an error of knowledge, and I would say in adult native speaker of English, the chance that it is an error of knowledge is very slight indeed.. I would be willing to bet that every teacher on this board if given a test on the use of 'your' and 'you're' would get 100%.

When people make the mistake they are not showing their ignorance of grammar, they are simply having a momentary mental malfunction. They people who comment on the error and question the language capabilities of the poster are the ones who, to me, who are showing their ignorance.

You should to questioning the offending poster proofreading skills, not their knowledge of English.
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seoulshock



Joined: 12 Jul 2005

PostPosted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 4:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

what about them peeps who be sayin' shiz like-

"i could of gone there, and i would of, but i was busy bangin' my biznatch."
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jinks



Joined: 27 Oct 2004
Location: Formerly: Lower North Island

PostPosted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 5:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scott in Incheon wrote:
If everyone who points out this mistake actually knew something about education and learning, then they would know it is classified as a miscue. It is rarely an error of knowledge, and I would say in adult native speaker of English, the chance that it is an error of knowledge is very slight indeed.. I would be willing to bet that every teacher on this board if given a test on the use of 'your' and 'you're' would get 100%.
When people make the mistake they are not showing their ignorance of grammar, they are simply having a momentary mental malfunction. They people who comment on the error and question the language capabilities of the poster are the ones who, to me, who are showing their ignorance.
You should to questioning the offending poster proofreading skills, not their knowledge of English.


It is not the error that's annoying as much as passing off the error as a result of "English as a a living language", rather than a proofing or grammar mistake that grips my *beep*
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tiger fancini



Joined: 21 Mar 2006
Location: Testicles for Eyes

PostPosted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 5:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

EFLtrainer wrote:


As for Brit English being better, I disagree. It's older, thus more fossilized. ON the weekend? Egad.... On Friday, on Saturday, fine. But the weekend is TWO days, for frick's sake. During the weekend? Fine. ON the weekend? Aargh...

AT hospital. At THE freakin' hospital, OK??

Smile


ON the weekend? I'm British, and know nobody who says this.... Confused
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Wangja



Joined: 17 May 2004
Location: Seoul, Yongsan

PostPosted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 5:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scott in Incheon wrote:

You should to (sic) questioning the offending poster proofreading skills, not their knowledge of English.


Ah yes, perhaps you should.
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