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jacl
Joined: 31 Oct 2005
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| Ah ha! I went to the tax office today. Not. Too lazy. |
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the eye
Joined: 29 Jan 2004
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| Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2006 1:32 am Post subject: |
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| still waiting for that link.... |
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jacl
Joined: 31 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2006 2:05 am Post subject: |
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| the eye wrote: |
| still waiting for that link.... |
You look for it. It's on NTS's website in one of the pdf files. You have to download it.
Anyway, I already gave you a link that states housing allowances for foreign wage and salary earners are non-taxable. That's foreign earners, not foreign wage and salary.
That aside, you might argue that free housing is not a legal fringe benefit.
Anyway, I've quoted and seen many interpretations of the law that say rent is tax-exempt or non-taxable if the rental agreement is between the landlord and the employer. Your name's not on the lease. It's not your apartment. It's forced accomodation. No choice, no pay. Many things are tax-exempt. I believe you can have up to 30% of your salary tax-exempt for various things. Even a company provided car, etc.
There's no valid reason for free accomodations as such to be taxed as income. We're not from Korea. When we get a job, where do we live? In the mountains? On the beach?
If my boss pays me 3 million Won/month and tells me that I have to find my own accomodation, don't you think that you could write off, or deduct, living expenses for up to a certain amount? Of course you can.
As for plane tickets, how in the hell do I get to Korea? Do I swim? How in the hell do I get back home? Visa expires = time in Korea expires. Income? I don't think so. |
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the eye
Joined: 29 Jan 2004
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| Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2006 5:17 pm Post subject: |
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Here we go again. You argue like my korean girlfriend... Bizarre tatement. Diversion.Drama. Self convincing references. Drama. Repeat cycle.
The tax link you gave before iis not applicable. Everyone else on this thread agrees. Funny how when you're called on your bullcrap, you run off with your skirt flying in the wind.
You accuse me of dancing around and meanwhile you've become Shirley Temple.
The 'interpretations' are just that...interpretations. How about i write one myself.....
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| You look for it. It's on NTS's website in one of the pdf files. You have to download it. |
Interpretation: "I dug myselp a weewie weewie big hole and I'm too wittle to get out!!!"
I'm done with you. I learned a long time ago not to argue with girls. |
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alabamaman
Joined: 25 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2006 6:39 pm Post subject: |
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Eye,
I'm on your side in this case. Jacl is full of crap 
alabamaman |
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Gord
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2006 9:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Anyway, I already gave you a link that states housing allowances for foreign wage and salary earners are non-taxable. That's foreign earners, not foreign wage and salary. |
When you are working in Korea, you aren't classed as a foreign earner to the Korean tax authorities.
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| That aside, you might argue that free housing is not a legal fringe benefit. |
Generally, free housing is considered a fringe benefit when done as a temporary arrangement. (working late so the company pays for a hotel, staying in a nearby apartment so to be on call during a period of peak requirements, etc.). A year-long agreement when the housing is expressly included (and would be required by the employee) generally falls outside what would be classed as a fringe benefit and is entirely ineligible to be classed as such a benefit if a housing allowance is offered as an option.
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| There's no valid reason for free accomodations as such to be taxed as income. We're not from Korea. When we get a job, where do we live? In the mountains? On the beach? |
Normally, one would pay for their own accommodation from wages which have already been subject to tax deductions.
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| If my boss pays me 3 million Won/month and tells me that I have to find my own accomodation, don't you think that you could write off, or deduct, living expenses for up to a certain amount? Of course you can. |
I know of no such tax deduction for rent paid in any country. Some allow for the interest paid on mortgages to be deducted though.
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| As for plane tickets, how in the hell do I get to Korea? Do I swim? How in the hell do I get back home? Visa expires = time in Korea expires. Income? I don't think so. |
What is the difference between you flying in from somewhere and someone else driving in from somewhere? |
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jacl
Joined: 31 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2006 10:58 pm Post subject: |
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| There you go. Dancing again. Dance puppet, dance. |
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jacl
Joined: 31 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2006 11:55 pm Post subject: |
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| the eye wrote: |
Here we go again. You argue like my korean girlfriend... Bizarre tatement. Diversion.Drama. Self convincing references. Drama. Repeat cycle.
The tax link you gave before iis not applicable. Everyone else on this thread agrees. Funny how when you're called on your bullcrap, you run off with your skirt flying in the wind.
You accuse me of dancing around and meanwhile you've become Shirley Temple.
The 'interpretations' are just that...interpretations. How about i write one myself.....
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| You look for it. It's on NTS's website in one of the pdf files. You have to download it. |
Interpretation: "I dug myselp a weewie weewie big hole and I'm too wittle to get out!!!"
I'm done with you. I learned a long time ago not to argue with girls. |
I'm drinking a beer right now. It's probaby non-taxable, you weinie. |
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jacl
Joined: 31 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 12:00 am Post subject: |
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| Gord wrote: |
| jacl wrote: |
| Anyway, I already gave you a link that states housing allowances for foreign wage and salary earners are non-taxable. That's foreign earners, not foreign wage and salary. |
When you are working in Korea, you aren't classed as a foreign earner to the Korean tax authorities.
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| That aside, you might argue that free housing is not a legal fringe benefit. |
Generally, free housing is considered a fringe benefit when done as a temporary arrangement. (working late so the company pays for a hotel, staying in a nearby apartment so to be on call during a period of peak requirements, etc.). A year-long agreement when the housing is expressly included (and would be required by the employee) generally falls outside what would be classed as a fringe benefit and is entirely ineligible to be classed as such a benefit if a housing allowance is offered as an option.
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| There's no valid reason for free accomodations as such to be taxed as income. We're not from Korea. When we get a job, where do we live? In the mountains? On the beach? |
Normally, one would pay for their own accommodation from wages which have already been subject to tax deductions.
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| If my boss pays me 3 million Won/month and tells me that I have to find my own accomodation, don't you think that you could write off, or deduct, living expenses for up to a certain amount? Of course you can. |
I know of no such tax deduction for rent paid in any country. Some allow for the interest paid on mortgages to be deducted though.
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| As for plane tickets, how in the hell do I get to Korea? Do I swim? How in the hell do I get back home? Visa expires = time in Korea expires. Income? I don't think so. |
What is the difference between you flying in from somewhere and someone else driving in from somewhere? |
Yes. And a one-year contract is a temporary arrangement. Not permanent.
Why don't you just admit that you're wrong? Housing under the boss's name is not ***** income. Get real. I know it, you know it, but you won't admit it.
It will be funny when I fax you the copy from the Korean tax office. Then you can argue with them if you want to pay more taxes.
What's being deducted from your check? Hmm? Do you consider forced accomodations income?
I'll go as far to say that the cigarette I'm smoking now is tax deductible. The way you're talking, the kimchi in my boss's fridge is income. Well, guess what? There are laws that give you a certain amount for meals. Yes, there are.
When the contractual salary is worked out, the fringe benefits come into play.
Lets' turn the table. Have you given me any evidence? Have you? No.
Don't you see that crescent's experience at the tax office only proves me right? The guy there actually told him that employers can not include rent as income. Is the employer the tax office? No. Therefore, that guy was full of ****.
Mod edit: Please keep it clean! |
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crescent
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 2:07 am Post subject: |
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Jacl, I've done some more digging. I'm starting to get just as annoyed with you as the others. Your posts here clearly reflect dishonesty and uneducated opinions.
This problem has gotten to me so much that actually asked one of my adult students about it. I didn't want to because he's a customer of my academy. Anyway, the answers I got from him are right in line with what Gord, the eye, the tax man, and the tax website QandA forum told me.
Then there is the tax code. It also enforces their points.
Now, I don't know what kind of qulifications you have, but I've spoken to three people with direct qualification in the tax field now. They speak fluent english, I told you that three times.
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| Yes. And a one-year contract is a temporary arrangement. Not permanent. |
Temporary refers to a time period within the length of a contract. If a benefit lasts less than the age of a contract, it is temporary. Your definition of temporary applies to a life peroid, not a contractual period.
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| Why don't you just admit that you're wrong? Housing under the boss's name is not ***** income. Get real. I know it, you know it, but you won't admit it. |
Because he's not wrong. All the QUALIFIED PEOPLE I've asked, agree with Gord.
It was said before, but obviously you need to hear it again...Housing has a value. It is provided as part of the remuneration package. If it were not provided in a material sense, it would be provided in extra salary or money allowance. The money allowance is taxable, and the material value is taxable because it is contractually exchanged for services.
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| It will be funny when I fax you the copy from the Korean tax office. Then you can argue with them if you want to pay more taxes. |
Yes, it will be funny. It will be funny because you have already proven your dishonesty and lack of knowledge for applicable tax codes in this situation.
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| What's being deducted from your check? Hmm? Do you consider forced accomodations income? |
Ah, that's salary, not 'check' And it's not forced. You have the right to deny your accomodations. You can take a cash allowance and choose your own if you want. Did someone hold a gun to your head when you signed the contract?
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| I'll go as far to say that the cigarette I'm smoking now is tax deductible. The way you're talking, the kimchi in my boss's fridge is income. Well, guess what? There are laws that give you a certain amount for meals. Yes, there are. |
That's not what Gord's saying at all. And, show me where this law is. Or this is another fabrication?
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| Lets' turn the table. Have you given me any evidence? Have you? No. |
His evidence is the corroborating information from 3 source in the tax industry which i have posted here. So, yes, he does have evidence. You, have heresay and inapplicable tax codes.
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| Don't you see that crescent's experience at the tax office only proves me right? The guy there actually told him that employers can not include rent as income. Is the employer the tax office? No. Therefore, that guy was full of ****. |
I never said that and the tax guy never said that at all. Once again you are lying and manipulating. You're a very deceitful person.
Let me say it again so there;s no misunderstanding.
A tax office department head, who speaks fluent english, the tax website question forum, the tax code, an accountant, and all the posters on this thread maintain exactly the same information.
You and your misleading websites are just heresay. You have no tax codes to back up what you say and you are abviously no authority on these issues.
How is it that all these people, are wrong...and you, an ESL instructor, who 6 months ago was asking people how to do taxres inthe first place, is right?
Gimme a break. |
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jacl
Joined: 31 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 4:02 am Post subject: |
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Jacl, I've done some more digging. I'm starting to get just as annoyed with you as the others. Your posts here clearly reflect dishonesty and uneducated opinions.
This problem has gotten to me so much that actually asked one of my adult students about it. I didn't want to because he's a customer of my academy. Anyway, the answers I got from him are right in line with what Gord, the eye, the tax man, and the tax website QandA forum told me.
Then there is the tax code. It also enforces their points.
Now, I don't know what kind of qulifications you have, but I've spoken to three people with direct qualification in the tax field now. They speak fluent english, I told you that three times.
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| Yes. And a one-year contract is a temporary arrangement. Not permanent. |
Temporary refers to a time period within the length of a contract. If a benefit lasts less than the age of a contract, it is temporary. Your definition of temporary applies to a life peroid, not a contractual period.
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| Why don't you just admit that you're wrong? Housing under the boss's name is not ****** income. Get real. I know it, you know it, but you won't admit it. |
Because he's not wrong. All the QUALIFIED PEOPLE I've asked, agree with Gord.
It was said before, but obviously you need to hear it again...Housing has a value. It is provided as part of the remuneration package. If it were not provided in a material sense, it would be provided in extra salary or money allowance. The money allowance is taxable, and the material value is taxable because it is contractually exchanged for services.
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| It will be funny when I fax you the copy from the Korean tax office. Then you can argue with them if you want to pay more taxes. |
Yes, it will be funny. It will be funny because you have already proven your dishonesty and lack of knowledge for applicable tax codes in this situation.
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| What's being deducted from your check? Hmm? Do you consider forced accomodations income? |
Ah, that's salary, not 'check' And it's not forced. You have the right to deny your accomodations. You can take a cash allowance and choose your own if you want. Did someone hold a gun to your head when you signed the contract?
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| I'll go as far to say that the cigarette I'm smoking now is tax deductible. The way you're talking, the kimchi in my boss's fridge is income. Well, guess what? There are laws that give you a certain amount for meals. Yes, there are. |
That's not what Gord's saying at all. And, show me where this law is. Or this is another fabrication?
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| Lets' turn the table. Have you given me any evidence? Have you? No. |
His evidence is the corroborating information from 3 source in the tax industry which i have posted here. So, yes, he does have evidence. You, have heresay and inapplicable tax codes.
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| Don't you see that crescent's experience at the tax office only proves me right? The guy there actually told him that employers can not include rent as income. Is the employer the tax office? No. Therefore, that guy was full of *beep*. |
I never said that and the tax guy never said that at all. Once again you are lying and manipulating. You're a very deceitful person.
Let me say it again so there;s no misunderstanding.
A tax office department head, who speaks fluent english, the tax website question forum, the tax code, an accountant, and all the posters on this thread maintain exactly the same information.
You and your misleading websites are just heresay. You have no tax codes to back up what you say and you are abviously no authority on these issues.
How is it that all these people, are wrong...and you, an ESL instructor, who 6 months ago was asking people how to do taxres inthe first place, is right?
Gimme a break. |
I didn't even read your post.
Anyway, enjoy paying high taxes. If you can't convince your boss then you can't convince me. Your words are irrelevant. |
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the eye
Joined: 29 Jan 2004
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| Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 9:39 pm Post subject: |
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| You read it. That's why you've finally shut up. |
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Grotto
Joined: 21 Mar 2004
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| Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 9:57 pm Post subject: |
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I was never taxed on my accomodations or airfare in 3 years! I never heard of anyone being taxed on the perks that come with teaching ESL. If you are being taxed on those perks go down to the tax office and straighten it out.
Two people arguing about who is more wrong is laughable.
Are there any links saying that the apartment and airfare are taxable benefits? If so then post those links! If not...shaddup! |
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the eye
Joined: 29 Jan 2004
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| Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 10:55 pm Post subject: |
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It's understandable that you can't see I have already done that. So has the OP. This thread has been diluted by jacl's fiction.
Jacl, is the only one who has failed to show pertinent liinks.
Just because it is general practice for benefits to be left alone, doesn't mean that they are protected. |
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jacl
Joined: 31 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 11:16 pm Post subject: |
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Actually Jacl, I think you may want to keep that diaper because your going to **** your pants. I went to the tax bureau on Friday afternoon and they explained everything in detail.
It took a while to get an english speaker, but i was suprised he was quite fluent so I was able to state my case.
In no uncertain terms he told me that as employees we can be held responsible for tax on air tickets and apartments. He said this issue has come up before with english teachers, and that such taxes are usually born by the employer because:
1) the tax amounts to a negligible amount
2) not passing the tax is a general practice in the industry and going against general practice makes the employer uncompetitive in the job market.
I told him that my contract doesn't make any mention of having to pay it. His reply was that such an omission actually works against me. The only way one would be exempt by law is if such a stipulation was made in the contract. By default, the apartment and airtickets are taxable benefits as they are given in return for services.
Actually we debated the issue a bit and he was getting impatient when i told him the contract mentions 'free' apartment. His retort was "Did it say tax free?"
Basically, he said if it's not in the contract, you can be legally responsible.
Sorry, 'the eye' and 'gord' are correct. |
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Don't you see that crescent's experience at the tax office only proves me right? The guy there actually told him that employers can not include rent as income. Is the employer the tax office? No. Therefore, that guy was full of ****.
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Nope. Wasn't lying. Employers not including rent as income? What tax does the employer pay? None. It's a sham. It's because it isn't income. Your employer shouldn't have the option of not deducting taxes and the tax office shouldn't be telling you this. The tax office's job is to tax you, not let things slide because of industry standards.
And what's this? Employers not passing the tax because of a competitive job market? Either you're full of it or the guy at the tax office is full of it. |
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