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mithridates



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 04, 2006 10:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gopher wrote:
Laogaiguk: when you allege (which is what you seem to be doing here) that Americans do not finance their educations via govt-sponsored Stafford subsidized and unsubsidized loans, or that Americans are only burdened by $20,000 credit card debts, or that, resentfully, that "daddy" pays for Americans who study abroad...

...well, I just doubt that you have anything but the most superficial experience with America and Americans.

Like I suggested above...

Gopher wrote:
I have come to understand that most Canadians are brought up in an environment that encourages them to adopt very simplistic and negative views of the United States and Americans.


So I can assure you that you are off base on these things.


This study (PDF) seems to show that the two countries have pretty much the same system when it comes to student loans - the only big difference I see is the rate of interest after graduation (Canada is almost double that of the US) and the way they forgive student loan debt.
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Gopher



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 04, 2006 11:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I cannot read a 47-page study with appendices (thanks for finding it and linking it, in any case). But, its summary findings, as you present them, sound exactly right. Many students are in the same boat all over the world.

Americans get a lower-interest rate (than other kinds of loans) and many options to defer or forebear repayment later -- and, on some loans, the govt pays the interest while we are full-time students, so it does not compound at that time.

Most U.S. students do indeed finance their educations, at least partly, via student loans. There are many scholarships, fellowships, grants, stipends, and "work-study" appointments available to undergrads and grad students. And sometimes our parents pay some or all of these expenses. All of this notwithstanding, most American graduates owe money by the time they finish their education -- and this is especially so for most professionals I have known (namely, doctors and lawyers, who can owe $150,000 or more by the time they start practicing).
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bucheon bum



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 04, 2006 4:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

laogaiguk wrote:
dulouz wrote:
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I don't know, but the fact that I have never met even one, meeting hundreds of Americans is strange.


Having a debt isn't something someone volunteers casually.

I didn't just pull that out of my ass. The people I am talking about would actually say they have no debts back home (when I am talking about how I can't go out every night because I have to send money home) or that they send money home for stocks or savings. Actually, people tend to talk about their finances a lot here in Asia, something that took some getting use to. There are lots of ways for the issue to come up. I was surprised by it. I met a lot of people (especially in Japan and China) and I am not saying this out of lack of information about debts, but due to information given to show the absence of them.


While I was fortunate enough to have my parents pay for my college education, I have a handful of friends who were not as fortunate. Be happy to introduce you to them if you'd like. Wink None went to Asia to work though...
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