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Yu_Bum_suk
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 Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2006 8:22 pm Post subject: |
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Another empty soul spouts off in defence of the low brow.
Your juvenile-sounding moniker made me think that it was just a matter of time before you came out of the woods to join the bandwagon.
So, your reasoning is: my refusal to accept or embrace something that I can critically argue is quite tacky, nay, ugly means that I am a "dumbass."
I'd bet that you majored in Education at a Canadian university, like to go bowling, and enjoy reading the Toronto Star or The Globe and Mail. I'd also bet that you wouldn't know Hegel from a bagel nor Tory Amis from Kingsley Amis. |
I go bowling about once a decade, neither of my degrees is in education, and the last time I sat down with a Globe was on an aeroplane, my oh-so-refined, middle-class prig who probably couldn't tell JS Mill from William Buckley Jr. or Pete Singer from Pete Townshend. Let me guess, you're the type of educator who'd take any well-groomed clown in a suit over someone with a tattoo or piercing who actually knows what they're doing? Well at least you're in the right country, and in 50 or 100 years you can join all the hanguk-sarem in reaching the level of social maturity the western world did by the 70s. |
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Roch
Joined: 24 Apr 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2006 10:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
| Roch wrote: |
Another empty soul spouts off in defence of the low brow.
Your juvenile-sounding moniker made me think that it was just a matter of time before you came out of the woods to join the bandwagon.
So, your reasoning is: my refusal to accept or embrace something that I can critically argue is quite tacky, nay, ugly means that I am a "dumbass."
I'd bet that you majored in Education at a Canadian university, like to go bowling, and enjoy reading the Toronto Star or The Globe and Mail. I'd also bet that you wouldn't know Hegel from a bagel nor Tory Amis from Kingsley Amis. |
I go bowling about once a decade, neither of my degrees is in education, and the last time I sat down with a Globe was on an aeroplane, my oh-so-refined, middle-class prig who probably couldn't tell JS Mill from William Buckley Jr. or Pete Singer from Pete Townshend. Let me guess, you're the type of educator who'd take any well-groomed clown in a suit over someone with a tattoo or piercing who actually knows what they're doing? Well at least you're in the right country, and in 50 or 100 years you can join all the hanguk-sarem in reaching the level of social maturity the western world did by the 70s. |
Incorrect guess about my class background and I have studied in deep detail everything John Stuart Mill produced as well as many essays and books written by other thinkers about his ideas on Classical Liberalism. Some of my philosophy and politics profs at Univ. of Toronto, Wesleyan University (Ct.), and Dullhousie University did the bulk of their academic work on Bentham and Mill.
I just finished a very well documented biography about William F. Buckley and subscribed to the National Review for several years. His libertarian philosophy is sometimes thought to have been inspired to a certain degree by the somewhat controversial authoress-political theorist Ruth Wilder, daughter of Laura Ingalls Wilder of "Little House on the Prarie" fame. Mansfield is another source of at least moral support for his anti-statist philosophy. By the way, Buckley's wildly quoted threat of physical harm to the shallow "sodomite" Gore Vidal is infamous, and its unintentional yet obvious entertainment value is the only reason why I'd watch Chomsky's "Manufacturing Consent" again and again.
Peter Singer, the legendary folkie, made a more lasting, deeper impression on the world than the hedonist Pete Townshend - a guitarist who is, in my opinion, extremely overrated. I thought "Who's Next" was a solid effort by him, though. Perhaps you might agree with me that Townshend and The Who went down hill artistically after "Who's Next" hit the stores.
I'd love to meet you if you are a serious student of Western Philosophy -especially Anglo-American - and trade ideas about Berkeley, Hume, Locke, Russell, Kripke, Nietzsche, Quine, Nosick, Sellars or any other philosopher who's work you deeply admire, etc. I'll be in Seoul to take care of some unfinished business with the government in a few weeks. Let me know if you'd like to have a coffee and talk philosophy and/or current events.
Cordially,
R
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Homer
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| Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2006 3:06 am Post subject: |
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This was in 1996. It was also the same at many schools in 2005 and now in 2006 (I have many friends teaching in Ontario and Quebec both that the elementary and High School level).
This was public school.
If you go to fancier private school it is an even more prevalent attitude.
Now, do I agree with it?
Not really but I do see some sense in it. Showing up to teach your class with full arm tats and more piercings than you can count covering your face and ears just might put your principal and the parents ill at ease and wether you like it or not...they are part of the equation.
As for my age..what does that have to do with anything here?
Now, in Korea, I would not recomment wearing piercings to work and tats that are in common view might create a negative perception.
If you will get a tat...why not get it somewhere can be covered easily (chest, back...). You can just take off the piercings and put them back on after work. That is what I did with my earings back in On when I was teaching. No big deal. |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2006 8:38 am Post subject: |
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| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
| Roch wrote: |
Another empty soul spouts off in defence of the low brow.
Your juvenile-sounding moniker made me think that it was just a matter of time before you came out of the woods to join the bandwagon.
So, your reasoning is: my refusal to accept or embrace something that I can critically argue is quite tacky, nay, ugly means that I am a "dumbass."
I'd bet that you majored in Education at a Canadian university, like to go bowling, and enjoy reading the Toronto Star or The Globe and Mail. I'd also bet that you wouldn't know Hegel from a bagel nor Tory Amis from Kingsley Amis. |
I go bowling about once a decade, neither of my degrees is in education, and the last time I sat down with a Globe was on an aeroplane, my oh-so-refined, middle-class prig who probably couldn't tell JS Mill from William Buckley Jr. or Pete Singer from Pete Townshend. Let me guess, you're the type of educator who'd take any well-groomed clown in a suit over someone with a tattoo or piercing who actually knows what they're doing? Well at least you're in the right country, and in 50 or 100 years you can join all the hanguk-sarem in reaching the level of social maturity the western world did by the 70s. |
Incorrect guess about my class background and I have studied in deep detail everything John Stuart Mill produced as well as many essays and books written by other thinkers about his ideas on Classical Liberalism. Some of my philosophy and politics profs at Univ. of Toronto, Wesleyan University (Ct.), and Dullhousie University did the bulk of their academic work on Bentham and Mill.
I just finished a very well documented biography about William F. Buckley and subscribed to the National Review for several years. His libertarian philosophy is sometimes thought to have been inspired to a certain degree by the somewhat controversial authoress-political theorist Ruth Wilder, daughter of Laura Ingalls Wilder of "Little House on the Prarie" fame. Mansfield is another source of at least moral support for his anti-statist philosophy. By the way, Buckley's wildly quoted threat of physical harm to the shallow "sodomist" Gore Vidal is infamous, and its unintentional yet obvious entertainment value is the only reason why I'd watch Chomsky's "Manufacturing Consent" again and again.
Peter Singer, the legendary folkie, made a more lasting, deeper impression on the world than the hedonist Pete Townshend - a guitarist who is, in my opinion, extremely overrated. I thought "Who's Next" was a solid effort by him, though. Perhaps you might agree with me that Townshend and The Who went down hill artistically after "Who's Next" hit the stores.
I'd love to meet you if you are a serious student of Western Philosophy -especially Anglo-American - and trade ideas about Berkeley, Hume, Locke, Russell, Kripke, Nietzsche, Quine, Nosick, Sears or any other philosopher who's work you deeply admire, etc. I'll be in Seoul to take care of some unfinished business with the government in a few weeks. Let me know if you'd like to have a coffee and talk philosophy and/or current events.
Cordially,
R |
I won't be back in K-land until the end of the month, at which time I'll have to hit the ground running at my school; so it looks like you're stuck with only my amatuer ramblings on western philosophy on-line for now. |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2006 8:41 am Post subject: |
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| Homer wrote: |
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| How long ago was this? |
This was in 1996. It was also the same at many schools in 2005 and now in 2006 (I have many friends teaching in Ontario and Quebec both that the elementary and High School level).
This was public school.
If you go to fancier private school it is an even more prevalent attitude.
Now, do I agree with it?
Not really but I do see some sense in it. Showing up to teach your class with full arm tats and more piercings than you can count covering your face and ears just might put your principal and the parents ill at ease and wether you like it or not...they are part of the equation.
As for my age..what does that have to do with anything here?
Now, in Korea, I would not recomment wearing piercings to work and tats that are in common view might create a negative perception.
If you will get a tat...why not get it somewhere can be covered easily (chest, back...). You can just take off the piercings and put them back on after work. That is what I did with my earings back in On when I was teaching. No big deal. |
In 2006 a public school teacher in Quebec isn't allowed to have piercings? You're kidding me. If I were a small-minded school administrator there I would sure as hell keep my mouth shut about any teachers' piercings or tattoos for fear of getting sued or brought up before a human-rights council. |
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Homer
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| Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2006 4:10 pm Post subject: |
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Yum..you did not read what I posted right.
I said it was not looked favorably upon...not forbidden....
A teacher could wear piercings in class but it could create problems for him.
Just because it is allowed, it does not follow it is accepted....get it? |
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Roch
Joined: 24 Apr 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2006 4:27 pm Post subject: On-line Philosophical Exchange Via Messenger |
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Well, I'm going to travel to Gwangju, Busan, Ansan, Daegu, and other places when I arrive in Korea. Do you reside in any of these cities? If so, just let me know when you'd be ready for a beer-fueled philosophical exchange. If not, Messenger would be useful for this kind of exchange.
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Homer
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Horangi Munshin
Joined: 06 Apr 2003
Location: Busan
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| Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2006 4:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Homer wrote: |
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| How long ago was this? |
This was in 1996. It was also the same at many schools in 2005 and now in 2006 (I have many friends teaching in Ontario and Quebec both that the elementary and High School level).
This was public school.
If you go to fancier private school it is an even more prevalent attitude.
Now, do I agree with it?
Not really but I do see some sense in it. Showing up to teach your class with full arm tats and more piercings than you can count covering your face and ears just might put your principal and the parents ill at ease and wether you like it or not...they are part of the equation.
As for my age..what does that have to do with anything here?
Now, in Korea, I would not recomment wearing piercings to work and tats that are in common view might create a negative perception.
If you will get a tat...why not get it somewhere can be covered easily (chest, back...). You can just take off the piercings and put them back on after work. That is what I did with my earings back in On when I was teaching. No big deal. |
That is good advice and exactly what I did. My friends asked me why the hell I got a tat on my back. ("You can only see it in a mirror"). Being a teacher back home I didn't want a tat I couldn't cover up. |
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Roch
Joined: 24 Apr 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2006 4:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Who are you talking to Roch? |
I was responding to Yu Bum Suk's post in which he wrote that he will not be able to meet me on or about the 20th due to work committments, etc.
Cordially,
R |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2006 8:20 pm Post subject: Re: On-line Philosophical Exchange Via Messenger |
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Well, I'm going to travel to Gwangju, Busan, Ansan, Daegu, and other places when I arrive in Korea. Do you reside in any of these cities? If so, just let me know when you'd be ready for a beer-fueled philosophical exchange. If not, Messenger would be useful for this kind of exchange.
R |
I live close to Daegu but won't be free until the last weekend in August. Beer-fueled philosophical exchanges are always most welcomed, however, especially after three weeks of attempting conversations with my Philistine parents. |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2006 8:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Homer wrote: |
Yum..you did not read what I posted right.
I said it was not looked favorably upon...not forbidden....
A teacher could wear piercings in class but it could create problems for him.
Just because it is allowed, it does not follow it is accepted....get it? |
Not looked upon favorably by whom? In Vancouver or Montreal, by the time you got to grade 12 or CECEP half the students would have them. |
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Roch
Joined: 24 Apr 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2006 8:35 pm Post subject: Re: On-line Philosophical Exchange Via Messenger |
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| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
| Roch wrote: |
Well, I'm going to travel to Gwangju, Busan, Ansan, Daegu, and other places when I arrive in Korea. Do you reside in any of these cities? If so, just let me know when you'd be ready for a beer-fueled philosophical exchange. If not, Messenger would be useful for this kind of exchange.
R |
I live close to Daegu but won't be free until the last weekend in August. Beer-fueled philosophical exchanges are always most welcomed, however, especially after three weeks of attempting conversations with my Philistine parents. |
I'll be passing through Daegu after visiting my buddy in Pusan. I'll let you know when I'm about to pass through Daegu.
R |
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Homer
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| Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 3:30 am Post subject: |
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Yum,
Not looked favorably on by the school administration and often by parents because it is a very different thing to have your child wear piercings or have tats and the teacher he sees everyday (i.e. an adult) wear piercings or have visible tats.
I'm sorry Yum but that is just the how it was at my school and how it is at most of the schools I know back home where my friends or former co-workers work.
No one is forbidding a teacher from wearing piercings or visible tats. But, it just make sense to take off the piercings and to choose a location for your tat that can be covered up while you teach. That just makes sense to me.
You think different and thats cool and your perogative man. Personally I do not care what a teacher sticks in his face, I care about profesionalism and ability to teach. Now do piercings take away from ability to teach? Of course not. Can they damage a teachers credibility and image in class and with parents and admin...sadly the answer is yes.
Just because a right exists, it does not follow that every behaviour under that right is accepted and approved...see what I mean Yum?
The fact that half the students wear piercings by grade 12 has no real bearing on what the teacher wears now does it?
Anyway, not looking to win an argument here Yum, just tossing in my two cents based on my experiences. |
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laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea
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| Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 3:33 am Post subject: |
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Yum,
Not looked favorably on by the school administration and often by parents because it is a very different thing to have your child wear piercings or have tats and the teacher he sees everyday (i.e. an adult) wear piercings or have visible tats.
I'm sorry Yum but that is just the how it was at my school and how it is at most of the schools I know back home where my friends or former co-workers work.
No one is forbidding a teacher from wearing piercings or visible tats. But, it just make sense to take off the piercings and to choose a location for your tat that can be covered up while you teach. That just makes sense to me.
You think different and thats cool and your perogative man. Personally I do not care what a teacher sticks in his face, I care about profesionalism and ability to teach. Now do piercings take away from ability to teach? Of course not. Can they damage a teachers credibility and image in class and with parents and admin...sadly the answer is yes.
Just because a right exists, it does not follow that every behaviour under that right is accepted and approved...see what I mean Yum?
The fact that half the students wear piercings by grade 12 has no real bearing on what the teacher wears now does it?
Anyway, not looking to win an argument here Yum, just tossing in my two cents based on my experiences. |
I am having this same problem down in the "African guys" thread in General. Homer is just stating a fact. He is not saying it is right or not, or that he believes it makes a difference, but saying what it true. What he is saying is true, whether right or not. For the moment, many schools would not be really happy with a teacher with multiple piercings and tattoos. Not saying this is right, just saying that's how it is. |
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