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aja21
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 3:35 am Post subject: how can I survive 9 more months? |
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I have only been in S Korea for 3 months and already I am having second thoughts. I know there are people who either give notice or just do a "midnight flight".
Here are the reasons I am unhappy- ok they may seem meaningless or trivial to some readers, but these little things are adding up:
1. I have a BEd and 2 years teaching experience. My boss is giving me 100 Won more a month than the other teachers which I now know is a crap wage to start with and a crap salary for an experienced teacher. I can get more money and less hours elsewhere- I know some people who are happy in their jobs elsewhere.
2. The city I am in is way to small. I used to live in London which I absolutely loved. It is a 40-50,000 Won cab ride at night and there are no night buses so it makes going out to Seoul on the weekends a major pain. I am used to being able to go anywhere whenever I want.
3. My first impression of my boss is that she does care about the kids and the teaching, but now I am abe to see she does not. When the kids are in the wrong level she refuses to move them to "save face" from admitting to parents she put them in the wrong level and she does not treat the staff fairly. We have had 4 Korean teachers quit as they have had enough. Unfortunately as foreigners, home is far away and we signed a contract.
4. The schools in this area are cliques- they don't like other school teachers which makes me feel like I am in sodding high school!!! There used to be a "watering hole" for people to get togther but the bar has since closed. And anyway, my friends said people did not intermingle.
5. I have my heart set on going to Oz and I want to go now...have been putting it off for 2 years now since I went to Uk first.
6. I am not really sure why I even came to Asia to teach. It was kind of a last minute thing. I wanted to pay off more of my loan before going down under and I thought Korea would be a good experience for me. In a way I guess i am just trying to make money and kill some time. And I promised myself I would never live my life that way.
So now what? Unfortunatley I feel like I cannot change much of the above, beyond trying to meet more people which seems daunting. London was too easy- new people someing and going all the time.
And the hardest part is that my parents and friends at home are telling me to come home. In the UK when I went through tough times they really encouraged me to stick it out and I am glad I did. I guess I feel like i would have no regrets if I left Korea in the next few months.
Some of the other teachers hate the city and the school but they say it is easier than going home and having to find work and a flat, etc.
Are there other people out there in the same boat? Did you eventually leave? Or if you stayed, what made you change your mind?
Cheers, |
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laogaiguk

Joined: 06 Dec 2005 Location: somewhere in Korea
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Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 3:45 am Post subject: Re: how can I survive 9 more months? |
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aja21 wrote: |
I have only been in S Korea for 3 months and already I am having second thoughts. I know there are people who either give notice or just do a "midnight flight".
Here are the reasons I am unhappy- ok they may seem meaningless or trivial to some readers, but these little things are adding up:
1. I have a BEd and 2 years teaching experience. My boss is giving me 100 Won more a month than the other teachers which I now know is a crap wage to start with and a crap salary for an experienced teacher. I can get more money and less hours elsewhere- I know some people who are happy in their jobs elsewhere.
2. The city I am in is way to small. I used to live in London which I absolutely loved. It is a 40-50,000 Won cab ride at night and there are no night buses so it makes going out to Seoul on the weekends a major pain. I am used to being able to go anywhere whenever I want.
3. My first impression of my boss is that she does care about the kids and the teaching, but now I am abe to see she does not. When the kids are in the wrong level she refuses to move them to "save face" from admitting to parents she put them in the wrong level and she does not treat the staff fairly. We have had 4 Korean teachers quit as they have had enough. Unfortunately as foreigners, home is far away and we signed a contract.
4. The schools in this area are cliques- they don't like other school teachers which makes me feel like I am in sodding high school!!! There used to be a "watering hole" for people to get togther but the bar has since closed. And anyway, my friends said people did not intermingle.
5. I have my heart set on going to Oz and I want to go now...have been putting it off for 2 years now since I went to Uk first.
6. I am not really sure why I even came to Asia to teach. It was kind of a last minute thing. I wanted to pay off more of my loan before going down under and I thought Korea would be a good experience for me. In a way I guess i am just trying to make money and kill some time. And I promised myself I would never live my life that way.
So now what? Unfortunatley I feel like I cannot change much of the above, beyond trying to meet more people which seems daunting. London was too easy- new people someing and going all the time.
And the hardest part is that my parents and friends at home are telling me to come home. In the UK when I went through tough times they really encouraged me to stick it out and I am glad I did. I guess I feel like i would have no regrets if I left Korea in the next few months.
Some of the other teachers hate the city and the school but they say it is easier than going home and having to find work and a flat, etc.
Are there other people out there in the same boat? Did you eventually leave? Or if you stayed, what made you change your mind?
Cheers, |
First, I am guessing by 100 won, you mean 100 000 won (I hope).
Second, the ONLY even quarter-valid reason for leaving is #3, and that by itself is nothing. I promised not to attack people anymore, but those are the lamest reasons I think I have EVER seen on this board for leaving.
#1 You knew beforehand, yet still signed the contract
#2 Same as #1
#3 already mentioned
#4 not the employer's fault, though I can understand how it would suck. But going to a new country, you should have expected finding friends would have been difficult and should have gone to a larger city if it's a big deal
#5 you want to screw your employer because you want to take a trip to OZ? I won't even touch that one with a 10 foot pole
#6 see #5
Look, if you are going to get sick, go home. You are definitely not cut out for this kind of thing. Find out what you can do. This will hurt all us foriegners as our reputation will go down yet again though. |
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eamo

Joined: 08 Mar 2003 Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 3:46 am Post subject: |
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Don't stay if you don't like it. Give in your resignation. Work out your notice. Try greener pastures.
There's nothing wrong with that you know. |
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captain kirk
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 3:53 am Post subject: |
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For some reasons your OP totally disgusts me. It's work to live here. It's work to make it interesting. Your haggie situation sounds totally normal. It's you who has to make it work.
And I'd suggest you stop comparing Korea to London. And stop thinking about being somewhere else (like Australia). That is if you want to stay. You say you promised yourself you wouldn't live life killing time. You feel you're 'killing time' here.
If you promised yourself you wouldn't life life 'killing time' (aimlessly) why didn't you look into what this place is before you arrived instead of arriving and then complaining that it is merely half way between London and Australia?
On the other hand you sound like you're plugged into something 'better', so much so that it sounds like you think you're slumming it here. Your impression of Korea is very bad. I don't think you're giving it a chance. Korea has its own charms, qualities, and identity which you can't apparently see. |
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Homer Guest
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Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 3:54 am Post subject: |
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Don't stay if you don't like it. Give in your resignation. Work out your notice. Try greener pastures.
There's nothing wrong with that you know. |
Precisely.
That is the adult and professional way of doing things.
The list of reasons you gave do not by any stretch of the imagination justify considering a midnight run.
Since you obviously came here on a whim and have now found out you cannot handle it (it happens to many people, no shame in that) then give notice and move on to a place where you will be happier.
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On the other hand you sound like you're plugged into something 'better', so much so that it sounds like you think you're slumming it here. Your impression of Korea is very bad. I don't think you're giving it a chance. Korea has its own charms, qualities, and identity which you can't apparently see. |
This is also on target. You basically locked yourself into a this place is bad vs home or another place is utopia cycle. No chance of you enjoying anything here then because you are putting a negative spin on everything.
By the way, you are only killing time if you choose to do so. It is up to you to get out there and get active.
My suggestion: try to open up a little bit and take off the I wish I was somewhere else glasses or just give notice and move on. |
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aja21
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 4:18 am Post subject: |
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gee sorry for being "LAME" according to some of your repsonses. I feel bad enough and I don;t need people pointing out I made a mistake. When I hear of people having problems I try to listen and ask them some insightful questions, not throw it in their faces. BUt I guess not everyone is like that. And for the record, I did state that some of my reasons seem trivial to some people but they are the issues I am dealing with right now.
I thought I could get some support since I don;t know many people, but now I think I have posted my last post.
Ps..thanks to Eamo and Homer..at least you were trying to give me some advice I was looking for.
pps. I am immigrating to Oz not going on some vacation. |
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Captain Corea

Joined: 28 Feb 2005 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 4:24 am Post subject: |
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So, honestly, what exactly were you looking for in this post?
Support or advice? |
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teachingld2004
Joined: 29 Mar 2004
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Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 4:30 am Post subject: should I stay or go |
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You have only been here 3 months. Things may seem bad, but...
Are you getting teated badly? This is normal stuff. Kids are 95% of the time placed in wrong levels.
Even if you are not making good money, you can save lots of money here.
Try and make some friends, that will help.
Find some things to do. Do you have a digital camera? Take funny shots, Take pretty shots. Make your apaerment a "home". This can be done for very little money.
Get a cheap computer and email your friends, or download some shows from home.
You have only been here 3 months, give it a chance. |
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seoulsista
Joined: 31 Aug 2005
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Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 4:31 am Post subject: Re: how can I survive 9 more months? |
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aja21 wrote: |
I have only been in S Korea for 3 months and already I am having second thoughts. I know there are people who either give notice or just do a "midnight flight".
Here are the reasons I am unhappy- ok they may seem meaningless or trivial to some readers, but these little things are adding up:
1. I have a BEd and 2 years teaching experience. My boss is giving me 100 Won more a month than the other teachers which I now know is a crap wage to start with and a crap salary for an experienced teacher. I can get more money and less hours elsewhere- I know some people who are happy in their jobs elsewhere.
2. The city I am in is way to small. I used to live in London which I absolutely loved. It is a 40-50,000 Won cab ride at night and there are no night buses so it makes going out to Seoul on the weekends a major pain. I am used to being able to go anywhere whenever I want.
3. My first impression of my boss is that she does care about the kids and the teaching, but now I am abe to see she does not. When the kids are in the wrong level she refuses to move them to "save face" from admitting to parents she put them in the wrong level and she does not treat the staff fairly. We have had 4 Korean teachers quit as they have had enough. Unfortunately as foreigners, home is far away and we signed a contract.
4. The schools in this area are cliques- they don't like other school teachers which makes me feel like I am in sodding high school!!! There used to be a "watering hole" for people to get togther but the bar has since closed. And anyway, my friends said people did not intermingle.
5. I have my heart set on going to Oz and I want to go now...have been putting it off for 2 years now since I went to Uk first.
6. I am not really sure why I even came to Asia to teach. It was kind of a last minute thing. I wanted to pay off more of my loan before going down under and I thought Korea would be a good experience for me. In a way I guess i am just trying to make money and kill some time. And I promised myself I would never live my life that way.
So now what? Unfortunatley I feel like I cannot change much of the above, beyond trying to meet more people which seems daunting. London was too easy- new people someing and going all the time.
And the hardest part is that my parents and friends at home are telling me to come home. In the UK when I went through tough times they really encouraged me to stick it out and I am glad I did. I guess I feel like i would have no regrets if I left Korea in the next few months.
Some of the other teachers hate the city and the school but they say it is easier than going home and having to find work and a flat, etc.
Are there other people out there in the same boat? Did you eventually leave? Or if you stayed, what made you change your mind?
Cheers, |
Well, you have got to ask yourself do you want to make this work or not? All the things you mentioned in your post are fairly common reasons for not liking it here. I can't say I have ever wanted to leave.
If I were you I would give it three more months. Try to find some hobbies. Maybe you could take up Korean, Tae Kwon Do, or hanji, something that would make you feel more connected to Korea and Korean culture. If all you ever see about Korea is the inside of a Hagwon, you're right you won't like it here.
If by the end of month five you are still ready to go, then put in your 30 days. At least you won't have to pay your ticket here.
I wish I could give you better advice then that but I like it here so for me it hasn't been that hard to deal. |
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laogaiguk

Joined: 06 Dec 2005 Location: somewhere in Korea
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Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 4:31 am Post subject: |
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aja21 wrote: |
gee sorry for being "LAME" according to some of your repsonses. I feel bad enough and I don;t need people pointing out I made a mistake. When I hear of people having problems I try to listen and ask them some insightful questions, not throw it in their faces. BUt I guess not everyone is like that. And for the record, I did state that some of my reasons seem trivial to some people but they are the issues I am dealing with right now.
I thought I could get some support since I don;t know many people, but now I think I have posted my last post.
Ps..thanks to Eamo and Homer..at least you were trying to give me some advice I was looking for.
pps. I am immigrating to Oz not going on some vacation. |
Sorry, #5 and #6 disgusted me. We have to run hoops here because of reasons like that. Those were lame, what would you call them? Seriously, if it is going to make you sick to be here (which will happen if you get too depressed), then go home. But pulling a runner (which you said you might do) because you want to go to OZ will only hurt the already crappy reputation of foreign teachers.
I wouldn't support anyone, even my sister if she was going to do something stupid, which running is (for me, you and the employer).
EDIT
for me : bad reputation
for you: you will always think back and see that you failed at something
for employer : a runner with no notice, the consequences for the employer are obvious |
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tzechuk

Joined: 20 Dec 2004
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Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 4:44 am Post subject: |
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laogaiguk, I don't think he/she actually knew about the salary situation before he/she came here.
Also may be his/her recruiter misled him/her and said that the city was close to Seoul, or even in the vicinity of Seoul. Not everyone does their homework before they came here - that's why they are called newbie and sometimes dumb.
There are all kinds of people with all kinds of reasons for being here - if repaying his loan is one of his motivators, why accuse him of.. I don't know.. being a bad person? I am sure a lot of people who are here use that as one of their reasons for being here.
My suggestion is same as others - give in your notice, work your time out and then move down under. |
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ChopChaeJoe
Joined: 05 Mar 2006 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 4:46 am Post subject: |
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It doesn't sound like there's anything seriously wrong with your job. You just aren't having any fun yet. It's only for a year. Things can still change. But if you can't stand it, then abide by your contract, give your 30-day notice, and pay back the airfare if you're leaving before six months.
Don't bring dishonor to yourself and all of us. If your employer is living up to her side of the contract, then live up to yours. You are not a slave, but you did sign a contract. |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 4:46 am Post subject: Re: how can I survive 9 more months? |
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I have only been in S Korea for 3 months and already I am having second thoughts. I know there are people who either give notice or just do a "midnight flight".
Here are the reasons I am unhappy- ok they may seem meaningless or trivial to some readers, but these little things are adding up: |
Let's see.
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1. I have a BEd and 2 years teaching experience. My boss is giving me 100 Won more a month than the other teachers which I now know is a crap wage to start with and a crap salary for an experienced teacher. I can get more money and less hours elsewhere- I know some people who are happy in their jobs elsewhere. |
You mean 100,00 won right? Was this something that was sprung upon you or did you sign the contract knowing full well what the salary was? I suspect the latter, hence it is your fault for taking what you think is a low wage for whatever your experience is.
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2. The city I am in is way to small. I used to live in London which I absolutely loved. It is a 40-50,000 Won cab ride at night and there are no night buses so it makes going out to Seoul on the weekends a major pain. I am used to being able to go anywhere whenever I want. |
Again, YOU chose the town. Are you ana dult who takes responsibility for his/her actions, or not?
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3. My first impression of my boss is that she does care about the kids and the teaching, but now I am abe to see she does not. When the kids are in the wrong level she refuses to move them to "save face" from admitting to parents she put them in the wrong level and she does not treat the staff fairly. We have had 4 Korean teachers quit as they have had enough. Unfortunately as foreigners, home is far away and we signed a contract. |
Well, this is the case with many, many hagwons and also the case with all the elementary schools.
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4. The schools in this area are cliques- they don't like other school teachers which makes me feel like I am in sodding high school!!! There used to be a "watering hole" for people to get togther but the bar has since closed. And anyway, my friends said people did not intermingle. |
You should be an asult about this.
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5. I have my heart set on going to Oz and I want to go now...have been putting it off for 2 years now since I went to Uk first. |
Um, you gave your word to somebody. Maybe you should have gone to OZ first, eh? But you didnt. You signed a contract.
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6. I am not really sure why I even came to Asia to teach. It was kind of a last minute thing. I wanted to pay off more of my loan before going down under and I thought Korea would be a good experience for me. In a way I guess i am just trying to make money and kill some time. And I promised myself I would never live my life that way. |
Your little childish wishes mean nothing. You signed a contract. Be an ADULT and take responsibility. |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 4:49 am Post subject: |
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aja21 wrote: |
gee sorry for being "LAME" according to some of your repsonses. I feel bad enough and I don;t need people pointing out I made a mistake. When I hear of people having problems I try to listen and ask them some insightful questions, not throw it in their faces. BUt I guess not everyone is like that. And for the record, I did state that some of my reasons seem trivial to some people but they are the issues I am dealing with right now.
I thought I could get some support since I don;t know many people, but now I think I have posted my last post.
Ps..thanks to Eamo and Homer..at least you were trying to give me some advice I was looking for.
pps. I am immigrating to Oz not going on some vacation. |
Good riddance if this is your last post. You dont have problems. Your "problems" stem from you being an immature and selfish person. |
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laogaiguk

Joined: 06 Dec 2005 Location: somewhere in Korea
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Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 4:53 am Post subject: |
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tzechuk wrote: |
laogaiguk, I don't think he/she actually knew about the salary situation before he/she came here.
Also may be his/her recruiter misled him/her and said that the city was close to Seoul, or even in the vicinity of Seoul. Not everyone does their homework before they came here - that's why they are called newbie and sometimes dumb.
There are all kinds of people with all kinds of reasons for being here - if repaying his loan is one of his motivators, why accuse him of.. I don't know.. being a bad person? I am sure a lot of people who are here use that as one of their reasons for being here.
My suggestion is same as others - give in your notice, work your time out and then move down under. |
#5 and #6 were not normal reasons. I didn't say he/she was a bad person, I said the reasons they gave were lame. They are. Pulling a runner for those reasons hurt the entire field in general and should NOT be done. I didn't attack the poster at all actually if you go back and read my posts, only the reasons. I said he/she isn't cut out for this, and should go home before they get sick. This person is probably not cut out for this job, that isn't good or bad, just the truth. This is an assumption on the information given. But letting them know those are lame reasons and that they shoudl go home is actually the best thing to do. Look, this is like the "when are you too fat thread". People refuse to tell people they are fat, and that being fat is ok. It's not, and people are getting fatter and fatter every day. If people would just tell fat people they were fat and not tiptoe around it, you would find less problems (and not make it socially acceptable). This poster should be told to find a different line of work if those are her/his reasons.
Again, I didn't attack the poster, but told them to go home. I guess maybe I am too direct for some people here, but personally, I think the indirectness of Westerners is going too far. Difference of opinion I guess. |
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