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rocklee
Joined: 04 Oct 2005
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kermo
Joined: 01 Sep 2004
Location: Eating eggs, with a comb, out of a shoe.
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| Why would you think this has anything to do with race? |
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JongnoGuru
Joined: 25 May 2004
Location: peeing on your doorstep
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| Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2006 11:51 pm Post subject: |
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| kermo wrote: |
| Why would you think this has anything to do with race? |
because on macrumours, you get comments like:
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Thank God.
I am totally against outsourcing, esp tech support to India.
I want U.S. or Canadians (at most) only.
Not Apu who tells you his name is "James". |
how do you like that little swipe, "at most"? 
of course he meant "at least"
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I'm glad. I don't care that the US and their efforts to offshore created a nice padded middle-class in India. It is un-American if you ask me. Don't call me a racist, call me American. If I were in the UK and they were offshoring jobs, I'd consider it to be the same thing, only UK not America.
Bottom line is I stand around all day watching the parade of people from India come into my office wearing polo shirts with my company logo on it interviewing each of the managers, whether they're capable or not, to decide what can be offshored to their country. What cannot be offshored they find a reason why it can be automated. What cannot be offshored or automated is trimmed....or done away with.
We outsource to India and Mexico. Our staff of 300 call center people in California is down to 50. 100 are in another state and 200 more are in India and Mexico. IT is India now unless you lose your password. Seems as though I lose my password every time my computer crashes because I refuse to talk to IT in India.
I am not opposed to people in India handling anything, but when my friends are sitting around without a job because they were laid off last week, I feel like there is no loyalty to anyone any longer. |
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Haven't read through all the posts, but all I can say is "THANK GAWD!!!"
Please don't misunderstand me, this has nothing to do with racism, and everything to do with supporting the US job market.
My feelings aside, over the past few years I have seen a steady increase in switchers PRIMARILY because of this outsourcing issue. Most have been Dell customers who did not like dealing with their Indian support center, both because it took jobs from the US market and because of the obvious frustration of trying to get help on an already infuriating windows issue, from someone that they can't fully comprehend. |
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kermo
Joined: 01 Sep 2004
Location: Eating eggs, with a comb, out of a shoe.
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| Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2006 12:45 am Post subject: |
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I didn't read the forums-- do you know what kind of weirdos lurk in those places? 
However, the question is "Is Apple racist?" I can't fathom their reasons, but I think the OP is jumping the gun a little.
And for the record, random poster on another forum who will never read this, there are actually Indians in India named James. Strange but true. |
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brento1138
Joined: 17 Nov 2004
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| Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2006 12:54 am Post subject: |
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Remember waaay back before the Ipod, all earbuds were black? Or even yellow (see my avatar for the proof!) Now they're all white. Something funny is going on! Some kinda anti-colored earbud pro-whitey earbud thing! It all just adds up!  |
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dbee
Joined: 29 Dec 2004
Location: korea
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| Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2006 2:08 am Post subject: |
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| hmm ... I wonder whether there were many Korean English-teachers who were left without a job when the wave of waygooks started coming to Korea back in the early 90's. |
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Zulu
Joined: 28 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2006 6:49 pm Post subject: Re: Is Apple racist? |
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Yet another desperate grasp at straws by the Lord of the Anti-Mac. Really Rocklee, we all know you loathe Apple and want us to buy Korean stuff instead, but please, get some better material.  |
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JongnoGuru
Joined: 25 May 2004
Location: peeing on your doorstep
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| Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2006 7:15 pm Post subject: Re: Is Apple racist? |
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| Zulu wrote: |
Yet another desperate grasp at straws by the Lord of the Anti-Mac. Really Rocklee, we all know you loathe Apple and want us to buy Korean stuff instead, but please, get some better material. |
Really?  That's what this was about? I must have missed some threads. No, wait... wasn't there an iPod-related one, with the OP asking for A/S advice.... and somebody (I guess rocklee?) suggested they trashcan it and get a superior local player? |
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AbbeFaria
Joined: 17 May 2005
Location: Gangnam
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| Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2006 9:43 pm Post subject: Re: Is Apple racist? |
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| Zulu wrote: |
Yet another desperate grasp at straws by the Lord of the Anti-Mac. Really Rocklee, we all know you loathe Apple and want us to buy Korean stuff instead, but please, get some better material. |
Really? That's what this was about? I must have missed some threads. No, wait... wasn't there an iPod-related one, with the OP asking for A/S advice.... and somebody (I guess rocklee?) suggested they trashcan it and get a superior local player? |
Oh no, Rocklee is, as someone put it I think, the Grand Poomba of Anti-Mac. He hates them so bad I think an Apple delivery truck must have killed his puppy, or maybe they used eminant domain and destroyed his house to build an Apple store. It's quite disturbing the lengths he goes to to bash any and all things Mac.
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rocklee
Joined: 04 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2006 11:44 pm Post subject: Re: Is Apple racist? |
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| Zulu wrote: |
Yet another desperate grasp at straws by the Lord of the Anti-Mac. Really Rocklee, we all know you loathe Apple and want us to buy Korean stuff instead, but please, get some better material. |
No sir, please, YOU get some better materials. |
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rocklee
Joined: 04 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2006 11:50 pm Post subject: |
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| kermo wrote: |
I didn't read the forums-- do you know what kind of weirdos lurk in those places?
However, the question is "Is Apple racist?" I can't fathom their reasons, but I think the OP is jumping the gun a little.
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In true Apple fashion, I sensationalised the title a bit. Interesting to note how defensive some people get regarding the said article.
First, the underpaid chinese workers (women no less!), and now the Indians cut for jobs. Its a shame really because a lot of these people deserve every bit the opportunity because they are far more talented than the bums living on people's tax money. |
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Zulu
Joined: 28 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 3:40 am Post subject: Re: Is Apple racist? |
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| JongnoGuru wrote: |
| Zulu wrote: |
Yet another desperate grasp at straws by the Lord of the Anti-Mac. Really Rocklee, we all know you loathe Apple and want us to buy Korean stuff instead, but please, get some better material. |
Really? That's what this was about? I must have missed some threads. No, wait... wasn't there an iPod-related one, with the OP asking for A/S advice.... and somebody (I guess rocklee?) suggested they trashcan it and get a superior local player? |
Yup, that'd be none other than the Anti-Mac himself...
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Otherwise, just drop iPods altogether and get something local and better. |
... I'm not sure why he targets Apple so much, maybe he's a nationalist or works for Samsung or was fired by Apple, but whatever, it's interesting to observe his frothing at the mouth diatribes.
Rocklee, may I suggest you instead go on the Apple Discussion Boards and explain to the millions of obviously deluded ipod users why they'd better switch to something Korean. See, there're only a few of us misguided Apple users here on Dave's and I'd hate to see you huff and puff for nothing. |
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captain planet
Joined: 18 Jul 2006
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| no, he didn't mean "at least". |
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cheem
Joined: 18 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 7:25 am Post subject: |
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| rocklee wrote: |
| First, the underpaid chinese workers (women no less!), and now the Indians cut for jobs. |
Interesting. In rocklee's hogwan of logic, it makes sense to criticize a company for underpaying foreign workers, and immediately after, criticizing the company for *not* underpaying foreign workers. It's also reasonable to disregard every other corporation (IT, clothing, shoe) that outsources to 3rd-world countries.
Judging by the inflammatory subject title and complete absence of opinion on the issue itself, this post is obviously another transparent attempt to provoke the Apple-users on this board, however, I do think the article raises an interesting point about outsourcing.
As someone who works in IT, I think outsourcing stinks. I could deal with it knowing that I've been beaten by someone with superior skills, not by someone willing to write Java for 5 bucks an hour. Let's face it, these corporations aren't going into Asia and Eastern Europe for altruistic reasons. |
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Zulu
Joined: 28 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 9:15 pm Post subject: |
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| cheem wrote: |
| rocklee wrote: |
| First, the underpaid chinese workers (women no less!), and now the Indians cut for jobs. |
Interesting. In rocklee's hogwan of logic, it makes sense to criticize a company for underpaying foreign workers, and immediately after, criticizing the company for *not* underpaying foreign workers. It's also reasonable to disregard every other corporation (IT, clothing, shoe) that outsources to 3rd-world countries.
Judging by the inflammatory subject title and complete absence of opinion on the issue itself, this post is obviously another transparent attempt to provoke the Apple-users on this board, however, I do think the article raises an interesting point about outsourcing.
As someone who works in IT, I think outsourcing stinks. I could deal with it knowing that I've been beaten by someone with superior skills, not by someone willing to write Java for 5 bucks an hour. Let's face it, these corporations aren't going into Asia and Eastern Europe for altruistic reasons. |
Absolutely. My main problem with Apple (and just about every other company) is that they're so willing to cut/not create jobs at home in order to take advantage of low wage labor overseas. Some US politicians cite resulting low domestic consumer prices as being advantageous, not admitting that in the long term if you ain't working, you ain't gonna be spending much anyway. A bit of vision would be nice. |
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