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bigverne
Joined: 12 May 2004
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| Islamic fundamentalist. These ppl aint muslims. They're preaching their modified version of Islam |
They say they are Muslims. They use the Koran and the example of the prophet Mohammed to justify their actions, and they are fighting to establish Islamic Shariah states. Who are you to say they are not Muslim? |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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| Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 8:56 am Post subject: |
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The time has come to decide- just like George Bush, the neocons' poster boy, once said-"You are either with us or against us." For me, and millions more like me in the Muslim world, the option has now boiled down to being with the assailant or the victim, the tormenter or the tormented. The choice, I think, is abundantly clear.
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If opposing the blood-soaked idiocy of the Bush clique means having to support the type of people described below, then that is a very sad dilemna indeed.
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Hardline Islamic insurgent groups in Iraq are targeting a new type of victim with the full protection of Iraqi law, The Observer can reveal. The country is seeing a sudden escalation of brutal attacks on what are being called the 'immorals' - homosexual men and children as young as 11 who have been forced into same-sex prostitution.
There is growing evidence that Shia militias have been killing men suspected of being gay and children who have been sold to criminal gangs to be sexually abused. The threat has led to a rapid increase in the numbers of Iraqi homosexuals now seeking asylum in the UK because it has become impossible for them to live safely in their own country.
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But perhaps Anwar Hussain doesn't consider the Badr Brigade to be true Muslim anti-imperialists, seeing as how they have a sort of unofficial working relationship with the occupation, crushing the Sunni insurgents. If so, that kind of problematizes his whole thesis, because the Badr Brigade is supported by Iran, and according to him Iranian foreign policy is all about sticking it to Uncle Sam.
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/world/story/0,,1838222,00.html |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 9:23 am Post subject: |
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Hello All,
If this thread turns into a flaming war, then it will get yanked. Debate the facts as you want, but if things get out of hand then it will be stopped. |
wtf? NOW the mods are getting involved on this forum? THis thread is similar to the majority of threads in CE.
Anywho... DD, didn't think I'd ever say this but: good post. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 9:27 am Post subject: |
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| You guys need to get it out of your head that this so called Jihad that they are waging is nothing. Period. How can we really know whats going on there when we're being fed edited tapes from anti-muslim networks. |
Nothing? Oh, I'm sorry, wasn't aware 9/11 was "nothing." USS Cole bombing, nothing. Embassy bombings, more nothing. The Kashmir conflict? nothing. Chechnya's battle with Russia? nothing as well?
So what qualifies as something? |
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flip ant
Joined: 01 Jul 2004
Location: He's got high hopes!
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| Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 12:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Nambucaveman wrote: |
Hello All,
If this thread turns into a flaming war, then it will get yanked. Debate the facts as you want, but if things get out of hand then it will be stopped. |
wtf? NOW the mods are getting involved on this forum? THis thread is similar to the majority of threads in CE. |
Well, you know, new mod's gotta make their splash somehow. What better way than the "I'm gonna clean up this here town"?
Oh, and Nambucaveman? When they take ASS and put it on the naughty list in the filter then it won't show up here anymore, right?
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 10:22 pm Post subject: |
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| I don't know much about the muslim religion |
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| other than to call them "these people" , as if they were some plastic widget from an ACME factory....... |
I wasn't calling muslims these people. I will get the quote. then you will be shown to be a liar.
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| your Khomeneists, Bathists, selective atrocity theories are very old and tired. So our your out of date articles and your recopying everything from a dog eared filing system. Also please learn to articulate your thoughts in some complete and understandable fashion. What you print comes out like diaareah........ |
what about them is not true. What they do everyday and how they treat their minorities tells what they are about w/o a doubt. and how it is selecitve? They have the worst human rights records of all along with North Korea.
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| What you print comes out like diaareah........ |
I think what you are talking about is what is in your head.
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| Arabs , Persians, Muslim nations have problems. But you paint them all with one brush and have no nuance and only hate. Take a bath |
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I was talking about Bathist Khomeni lovers and Bin Laden followers .
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| What you print comes out like diaareah........ |
I have no opinion about Arabs , Persians, or Muslims
However Bathists , Khomeni followers and Bin Laden followers are ALL fascist bigots much like the K K Klan. Is it so. The evidence is clear.
I will say it again I have no opinion about Arabs , Persians, or Muslims .
However Bathists Khomeni followers and Bin Laden supporters are evil and the world would be better if every last one of them was not allowed O2. The evidence is clear.
Again only a moonbat like you would equate being against Bathists, Khomeni lovers and Bin Laden followers as hatred of muslims. Especially since Bathists , Khomeni lovers and Bin laden supporters have killed hundreds of thousands of muslims.
Bin Laden who kills muslims implies that being against Al Qaeda is anti muslim. Well you have the same argument - no one ought to be suprised in the least . Cause you are an apologist for all the movements and idelogies mentioned above. It goes w/o saying that Bin Laden and AQ appreciate your message . |
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chotaerang
Joined: 23 Mar 2004
Location: In the gym
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| Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2006 7:01 am Post subject: |
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[quote="ddeubel"]
You have shown your colours...........people who use this term have a "quiet bigotry" and don't even know it. I called Joo on his use of "these people" several months back. I call you on it -- get rid of your latent bigotry and get educated about the issues.
It's more likely that people who read racism into the words
'these people' are themselves people who suffer from latent craziness. In any event, I think the guy was using the term to describe writers with who see the world through an anti-american lens. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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| Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2006 8:14 am Post subject: |
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Ddeubel wrote:
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You have shown your colours...........people who use this term have a "quiet bigotry" and don't even know it. I called Joo on his use of "these people" several months back. I call you on it -- get rid of your latent bigotry and get educated about the issues.
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As someone who is well-known for disagreeing with Joo Rip on just about everything, I feel comfortable in saying that he is not an anti-Muslim bigot. In fact, in various threads on this forum, I have seen him defend the Islamic religion against those who seek to paint it as entirely extremist. Joo has stated numerous times that he believes Baathism, Khomeinism, and Al Qadeaism are political corruptions of Islam, and has even stated that their origins lie partly in western ideology. |
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Mastaoos69
Joined: 14 Jun 2006
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| Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2006 6:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Who are you to say they are not Muslim? |
Under our God, Allah, they are seen as Kufurs- ie Wrong-doers. People who take this way of life ie Islam, and press there extreme ways against it by sayin whatever they're sayin, is completely absurd. It then confuses ppl, mostlyl non-muslims, when they use the Koran and swear before Allah. If you know the real religion it aint nothing like these dooshbags are trying to promote. You wouldn't understand.
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| Nothing? Oh, I'm sorry, wasn't aware 9/11 was "nothing." USS Cole bombing, nothing. Embassy bombings, more nothing. The Kashmir conflict? nothing. Chechnya's battle with Russia? nothing as well? |
What i meant was the so called Jihad they're waging is illegitimate, its getting them no where. Not that i want to start a war or anything but look where the white-man has gone in the past and tell me how much damage he has caused. What you just mentioned is nothing but a drop in the ocean compared to the massacres of the Aboriginals, Africans etc etc. The Kashmir conflict was a result of the British rule. Not that im sayin i support all those acts of inhumanity what you outlined, i see it as completely incorrect.
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| However Khomenism , Bathism , Bin Ladensim and Hizzbollahsim are are evil ideologies. All of these groups oppress their minorities. There supporters are evil too. |
Yeah they may have done injustice but i dont know much about Hezbollah to comment on them. Some ppl have their wicked ways to hypnotise a few and bam, they have an army to go fly into a tower. But thats no excuse to blame an entire bunch of a Bountiful religion. Whats the saying, even a few bad apples will quickly ruin the whole barrel" ? I dont have anything against anyone on these boards, just so you guys know. Peace |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2006 7:55 pm Post subject: |
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| [the white-man has gone in the past and tell me how much damage he has caused. What you just mentioned is nothing but a drop in the ocean compared to the massacres of the Aboriginals, Africans etc etc. |
time travel does exist! I've just gone back to 1969, sweet. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2006 11:51 pm Post subject: |
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| [the white-man has gone in the past and tell me how much damage he has caused. What you just mentioned is nothing but a drop in the ocean compared to the massacres of the Aboriginals, Africans etc etc. |
time travel does exist! I've just gone back to 1969, sweet. |
ROFL.
Listen, Mastaoos69, Hezbollah is worse than Al Qaeda. They have more firepower, more focus, and just as large ambitions, but for some reason they haven't been actively targetted by the US for the past few years. This is our reward for our stupidity.
Perhaps many people style me as conservative on this board, yet I'm not going to argue against the well-documented cases of British or even American excesses, much less other Europeans' excesses. That being said, your citing them has nothing to do with anything. |
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bigverne
Joined: 12 May 2004
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| Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 2:54 am Post subject: |
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| Under our God, Allah, they are seen as Kufurs |
That is debateable, and as a Muslim, of course you would say that. Wouldn't want anything to taint the glorious image of Islam now would we? The fact is that such Islamic movements as Hezbollah, Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Jamaat-I-Islamiyaah and many others gain their inspiration from the Koran and the warlike actions of the prophet Mohammed and his followers. Moreover, these movements, whether violent or not, have millions of people who support their oppressive agenda. It is not, as so many like to state, a small minority of extremists.
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| If you know the real religion it aint nothing like these dooshbags are trying to promote |
I do know your religion and it is very similar to what these individuals are trying to promote (Shariah Law and the subjugation of infidels), and just because I am a non-Muslim does not mean I do not understand.
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| look where the white-man has gone in the past and tell me how much damage he has caused. |
What the hell does this have to do with the present day actions of Muslim terrorist organisations? Nothing, so please leave out the post-colonial guilt trip. If we really wanted a trip down memory lane we could talk about the slavery of Black Africans by Arabs, which started well before the 'White Man' got in on the act, and still continues to this day in Darfur and Mauritania. I get the impression that you may be a Black Muslim. Is this correct? If so, perhaps it is time to look at how your Muslim 'brothers' treat your fellow Blacks. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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| Some ppl have their wicked ways to hypnotise a few and bam, they have an army to go fly into a tower. But thats no excuse to blame an entire bunch of a Bountiful religion |
But such incidents mean that we must analyse the ideology that continues to produce such murderous individuals, and unfortunately that ideology is contained in the most important texts of Islam. They need to be open to criticism, and simply saying that 'these people are not Muslim' is a pretty pathetic defense. |
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W.T.Carl
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 8:28 am Post subject: |
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| I have always got a good laugh at Black "Muslims" in the US, considering it was Black AFRICAN MUSLIMS who controled the slave trade in Africa. The Spanish , Dutch, English ect. were merely middle men who purchased blacks who were already enslaved by their muslim brothers. And the muslims on the coast were MORE than happy to make the sale. In fact, it was the English and to a smaller extent the Americans who put an end to the Atlantic slave trade. You can't by a slave in the US, but you sure as hell can buy one in Muslim Africa and you could have purchased one in Saudi Arabia up until the 1960. Islam is the enemy of modern civilization. And if there are any muslims out there who don't like what I say, I wish they would blow themselves up and then try to claim their 72 virgins and a mule. |
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Mastaoos69
Joined: 14 Jun 2006
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| Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 6:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Like i said bigverne you wouldn't understand and that clearly shows. Produce such murdurous individuals? I've heard it all before lol... Your signature is completely correct though. |
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bigverne
Joined: 12 May 2004
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| Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 12:47 am Post subject: |
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| Like i said bigverne you wouldn't understand and that clearly shows. Produce such murdurous individuals? I've heard it all before lol... Your signature is completely correct though. |
What a pathetic response. So, I don't understand, but you agree with my signature, the statement of a well known Islamic extremist. I guess that sums up your wonderful 'religion of peace'. |
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