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PostPosted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 2:02 am    Post subject: Israeli terrorists evolved into statesmen.Why not Hezbollah? Reply with quote

In March of last year, the U.S. House of Representatives passed a resolution by an overwhelming 380-3 margin condemning �the continuous terrorist attacks perpetrated by Hezbollah.� Despite contacting scores of Congressional offices asking them to cite any examples of terrorist attacks by Hezbollah at any time during the past decade, no one on Capitol Hill with whom I have communicated has been able to cite any.

FPIF (Foreign Policy in Focus) Commentary
Jihad Against Hezbollah

Stephen Zunes | August 4, 2006

Editor: John Feffer, IRC


The Bush administration and an overwhelming bipartisan majority of Congress have gone on record defending Israel's assault on Lebanon's civilian infrastructure as a means of attacking Hezbollah �terrorists.� Unlike the major Palestinian Islamist groups, Hamas and Islamic Jihad, Hezbollah forces haven't killed any Israeli civilians for more than a decade. Indeed, a 2002 Congressional Research Service report noted, in its analysis of Hezbollah, that �no major terrorist attacks have been attributed to it since 1994.� The most recent State Department report on international terrorism also fails to note any acts of terrorism by Hezbollah since that time except for unsubstantiated claims that a Hezbollah member was a participant in a June 1996 attack on the U.S. Air Force dormitory at Khobar Towers in Saudi Arabia.

While Hezbollah's ongoing rocket attacks on civilian targets in Israel are indeed illegitimate and can certainly be considered acts of terrorism, it is important to note that such attacks were launched only after the U.S.-backed Israeli assault on civilian targets in Lebanon began July 12. Similarly, Hezbollah has pledged to cease such attacks once Israel stops its attacks against Lebanon and withdraws its troops from Lebanese territory occupied since the onset of the latest round of hostilities. (The Hezbollah attack on the Israeli border post that prompted the Israeli assaults, while clearly illegitimate and provocative, can not legally be considered a terrorist attack since the targets were military rather than civilian.)

Indeed, the evolution of this Lebanese Shiite movement from a terrorist group to a legal political party had been one of the more interesting and hopeful developments in the Middle East in recent years. Like many radical Islamist parties elsewhere, Hezbollah (meaning �Party of God�) combines populist rhetoric, important social service networks for the needy, and a decidedly reactionary and chauvinistic interpretation of Islam in its approach to contemporary social and political issues. In Lebanese parliamentary elections earlier last year, Hezbollah ended up with fourteen seats outright in the 128-member national assembly, and a slate shared with the more moderate Shiite party Amal gained an additional twenty-three seats. Hezbollah controls one ministry in the 24-member cabinet. While failing to disarm as required under UN Security Council resolution 1559, Hezbollah was negotiating with the Lebanese government and other interested Lebanese parties, leading to hopes that the party's military wing would be disbanded within a few months. Prior to calling up reserves following the Israeli assault, Hezbollah could probably count on no more than a thousand active-duty militiamen.

In other words, whatever one might think of Hezbollah's reactionary ideology and its sordid history, the group did not constitute such a serious threat to Israel's security as to legitimate a pre-emptive war.

Having ousted Syrian forces from Lebanon in an impressive nonviolent uprising last year, the Lebanese had re-established what may perhaps be the most democratic state in the Arab world. Because they allowed the anti-Israel and anti-American Hezbollah to participate in the elections, however, the Israeli government and the Bush administration�with strong bipartisan support on Capitol Hill�apparently decided that Lebanon as a whole must be punished in the name of �the war on terror.�

Inverse Reaction to Threat

Just as Washington's concerns about the threat from Iraq grew in inverse correlation to its military capability�culminating in the 2003 invasion long after that country had disarmed and dismantled its chemical, biological, and nuclear weapons programs�the U.S. focus on Hezbollah has grown as that party had largely put its terrorist past behind it. In recent years, the administration and Congress�in apparent anticipation of the long-planned Israeli assault�began to become more and more obsessed with Hezbollah. For example, not a single Congressional resolution mentioned Hezbollah during the 1980s when they were kidnapping and murdering American citizens and engaging in other terrorist activities. In fact, no Congressional resolution mentioned Hezbollah by name until 1998, years after the group's last act of terrorism noted by the State Department. During the last session of Congress, there were more than two dozen resolutions condemning Hezbollah.

In March of last year, the U.S. House of Representatives passed a resolution by an overwhelming 380-3 margin condemning �the continuous terrorist attacks perpetrated by Hezbollah.� Despite contacting scores of Congressional offices asking them to cite any examples of terrorist attacks by Hezbollah at any time during the past decade, no one on Capitol Hill with whom I have communicated has been able to cite any.

Adding to the hyperbole is the assertion that Hezbollah threatens not just Israel but the United States, despite never having attacked or threatened to attack U.S. interests outside of Lebanon. Cited as evidence in the nearly unanimous March 2005 House resolution is testimony from former CIA director George Tenet (who also insisted that the case for Iraq having offensive weapons of mass destruction was a �slam dunk�), in which he made the bizarre accusations that Hezbollah is �an organization with the capability and worldwide presence [equal to] al-Qaida, equal if not far more [of a] capable organization � [t]hey're a notch above in many respects � which puts them in a state sponsored category with a potential for lethality that's quite great.�

In reality, other than a number of assassinations of political opponents in Europe during the 1980s and 1990s, it is highly debatable whether Hezbollah has ever launched a terrorist attack outside of Lebanon. The United States alleges as one of its stronger cases that Hezbollah was involved in two major bombings of Jewish targets in Argentina: the Israeli embassy in 1993 and a Jewish community center in 1994, both resulting in scores of fatalities. Despite longstanding investigations by Argentine officials, including testimony by hundreds of eyewitnesses and two lengthy trials, no convincing evidence emerged that implicated Hezbollah. The more likely suspects are extreme right-wing elements of the Argentine military, which has a notorious history of anti-Semitism.

Not every country has failed to recognize Hezbollah's evolution from its notorious earlier years. The European Union, for example, does not include Hezbollah among its list of terrorist groups. As a result, in yet another effort to push the U.S. foreign policy agenda on other nations, last year's House resolution also �urges the European Union to classify Hezbollah as a terrorist organization.� This may be the first and only time the U.S. Congress has sought to directly challenge EU policy on a non-trade issue.

The Europeans have had far more experience with terrorism, are much closer geographically to the Middle East, and historically have had stronger commercial, political, and other ties to Lebanon than the United States and are therefore at least as capable as the U.S. Congress of assessing the orientation of Hezbollah. Furthermore, the European Union has had no problem labeling al-Qaida, Islamic Jihad, or Hamas as terrorist organizations, which suggests that it would have extended the same designation to Hezbollah if the facts warranted it. Both Republican and Democratic House members, however, most of whom have little knowledge of the complexities of contemporary Lebanese politics and apparently fearing European criticism of a U.S.-backed Israeli attack on Lebanon, arrogantly insisted they knew better and that they had the right to tell the European Union what to do.

The Rise of Hezbollah

Hezbollah did not exist until four years after Israel first invaded and occupied southern Lebanon in 1978. The movement grew dramatically following Israel's more extensive U.S.-backed invasion and occupation of the central part of the country in 1982 and the subsequent intervention by U.S. Marines to prop up a weak Israeli-installed government. In forcing the departure of the armed forces of the Palestine Liberation Organization and destroying the broad, left-leaning, secular Lebanese National Movement, the U.S. and Israeli interventions created a vacuum in which sectarian groups like Hezbollah could grow.

During the early 1990s, following the end of the Lebanese civil war, a revived central Lebanese government and its Syrian backers disarmed most of the other militias that had once carved up much of the country. By contrast, as the Israeli attacks continued, Hezbollah not only remained intact, it grew. Years of heavy Israeli bombardment led hundreds of thousands of Lebanese Shiites to flee north, filling vast slums in the southern outskirts of Beirut. From these refugees and others who suffered as a result of these U.S.-supported Israeli assaults Hezbollah received the core of its support. The Hezbollah militia became heroes to many Lebanese, particularly as the U.S.-led peace process stalled.

The Hezbollah also periodically fired shells into Israel proper, some of which killed and injured civilians. Virtually all these attacks, however, were in direct retaliation for large-scale Israeli attacks against Lebanese civilians. The United States condemned Hezbollah not just for occasional attacks inside Israel but also for its armed resistance against Israeli soldiers within Lebanon, despite the fact that international law specifically recognizes the right of armed resistance against foreign occupation forces. The United States was apparently hoping that enough Israeli pressure against Lebanon would force the Lebanese to sign a separate peace treaty with Israel and thereby isolate the Syrians. U.S. officials greatly exaggerated the role of Syria in its control and support for Hezbollah, seemingly ignoring the fact that Syria had historically backed Amal, a rival Shiite militia. By contrast, while the radical Iranian Revolutionary Guards did play a significant role in the initial formation of Hezbollah in 1982, most direct Iranian support diminished substantially in subsequent years. The emphasis by the United States in subsequent years on Hezbollah's ties to Iran has largely been to discredit a movement that had widespread popular support across Lebanon's diverse confessional and ideological communities.

By the mid-1990s, greater casualties among Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) in occupied southern Lebanon led to increased dissent within Israel. In response to public opinion polls showing that the vast majority of Israelis wanted the IDF to withdraw unilaterally, Martin Indyk�President Clinton's ambassador to Israel who had also served as his assistant secretary of state for the Middle East�publicly encouraged Israel to keep its occupation forces in Lebanon. In other words, the United States, while defending its sanctions and bombing against Iraq on the grounds of upholding UN Security Council resolutions, was encouraging Israel�against the better judgment of the majority of its citizens�to defy longstanding UN Security Council resolutions demanding Israel's unconditional withdrawal. In an interesting display of double standards, the wording of the 1978 resolution demanding Israel's withdrawal from Lebanon was virtually identical to the resolution passed twelve years later demanding Iraq's withdrawal from Kuwait, for which the United States went to war.

The Hezbollah militia finally drove the Israelis and their proxy force out of Lebanon in a hasty retreat in May 2000. In the wake of the failure of those advocating a more moderate ideology and a diplomatic solution, the military victory by Hezbollah greatly enhanced its status.

For more than a dozen years, the Hezbollah militia had restricted its armed activities to fighting Israeli occupation forces, initially in southern Lebanon and�following Israel's withdrawal in 2000�in a disputed border region with Syria still under Israeli military occupation. Both the Bush administration and Congress, however, have sought to blur the distinction between armed resistance against foreign occupation forces, which is generally recognized under international law as legitimate self-defense, and terrorism, which�regardless of the political circumstances�is always illegal, since it targets innocent civilians. (Few Americans, for example, would have labeled the sporadic attacks by Kuwaiti resistance fighters against Iraqi occupation forces during the six months Saddam's army occupied their country in 1990-91 as acts of terrorism. By contrast, had the Kuwaiti resistance planted bombs on buses or in cafes in Baghdad or Basra, the terrorist label would have been quite deserved, however illegitimate Iraq's invasion and occupation of Kuwait may have been. The same holds true for apologists for Palestinian terrorism who attempt to justify the murders of innocent Israeli civilians on the grounds that it is part of the armed struggle against the Israeli occupation of the West Bank and Gaza Strip.)

Despite some unconfirmed reports linking individual Hezbollah operatives with Palestinian terrorist groups, it appears that the movement as a whole had become another one of the scores of former terrorist groups and political movements with terrorist components that have evolved into legitimate political parties in recent decades. These include the current ruling parties or ruling coalition partners of the governments of Israel, Algeria, Uruguay, Zimbabwe, and Afghanistan. Indeed, some prominent leaders of the U.S.-backed Islamic coalition in Iraq were once part of organizations labeled terrorist by the U.S. State Department and a few have even maintained longstanding ties with Hezbollah.

Rather than welcoming Hezbollah's important shift away from the use of terrorism to advance its political agenda, however, the Bush administration and Congress�in apparent anticipation of a U.S.-Israeli assault against the group and its supporters�instead became increasingly alarmist about the supposed threat posed by this Lebanese political party. And, given the refusal by the Lebanese government to ban the political party and their inability to disband the militia, the United States has given Israel the green light to attack not just Hezbollah militia, but the civilian infrastructure of Lebanon as well.

Why Hezbollah?

Given the number of dangerous movements in the Middle East and elsewhere that really have been involved in ongoing terrorist activities in recent years, why this obsession over a minority Lebanese party that had, prior to last month's assault by Israel, largely left terrorism behind?

A key component of the Bush Doctrine holds that states supporting groups that the U.S. government designates as �terrorist� are as guilty as the terrorists themselves and are therefore legitimate targets for the United States to attack in the name of self-defense.

This doctrine applies not just to Lebanon, but to Syria and Iran as well, the two countries that the neoconservative architects of the U.S. invasion of Iraq have proposed as the next targets for attack. Though outside support for Hezbollah has declined dramatically from previous years, Syria and Iran have traditionally been Hezbollah's primary backers. By formally designating Hezbollah as a �terrorist organization� and exaggerating the degree of Syrian and Iranian support, the Bush administration and Congress are paving the way for possible U.S. military action against one or both countries some time in the future. Just as Soviet and Cuban control over leftist movements and governments in Central America and Africa during the 1980s was grossly exaggerated in order to advance the Reagan administration's global agenda, a similar, bipartisan effort is afoot to exaggerate Syrian and Iranian control over Hezbollah.

During the Cold War, nationalist movements that coalesced under a Marxist-Leninist framework, such as the National Liberation Front in South Vietnam, were depicted not as the manifestation of a longstanding national liberation struggle against foreign domination, but part of the global expansionist agenda of international communism. As such, sending more than a half a million American troops into South Vietnam and engaging in the heaviest bombing campaign in world history was depicted as an act of self-defense for �if we do not fight them over there, we will have to fight them here.� Once American forces withdrew, however, Vietnamese stopped killing Americans. Similarly, Hezbollah stopped attacking French and American interests when they withdrew from Lebanon in 1984. As noted above, they largely stopped attacking Israelis when they withdrew from Lebanon in 2000 (with the exception of the Shebaa Farms, which they claim is part of Lebanon).

Therefore, a second reason for the U.S. government's disproportionate hostility toward Hezbollah may be to convince Americans that radical Islamist groups with a nationalist base will not stop attacking even after troop withdrawal. The Bush administration has insisted that the United States must destroy the terrorists in Iraq or they will attack the United States. But the rise of Islamic extremist groups and terrorist attacks in Iraq came only after the United States invaded that country in 2003. And if Americans recognized that attacks against Americans by Iraqis would stop if U.S. forces withdrew, it would be harder to justify the ongoing U.S. war. Similarly, if Americans recognized that terrorist attacks by Hamas and Islamic Jihad would likely cease if Israel fully withdrew its occupation forces from the West Bank (including East Jerusalem) and Gaza Strip and allowed for the emergence of a viable independent Palestinian state, they would no longer be able to defend their financial, military, and diplomatic support for the ongoing occupation, repression, and colonization of those occupied Palestinian territories by the right-wing Israeli government. (As with Hezbollah, Hamas and Islamic Jihad did not come into existence until after years of Israeli occupation and the failure of both secular nationalist groups and international diplomacy to end the occupation.)

This, of course, is not what the Bush administration or Congressional leaders want people to think, however, since it would make it far more difficult to defend the wars in Iraq, Palestine, and Lebanon. Therefore, it is politically important to convince Americans that Hezbollah is a terrorist group engaged in �continuous terrorist attacks� that constitute an ongoing threat to the national security interests of the United States and its allies.

The tragedy is how easily the mainstream media and the American public are willing to believe these simplistic misinterpretations of the complex Lebanese political situation, and how easily the war on terrorism can be manipulated to justify a U.S.-backed offensive against a small democratic country's civilian infrastructure.

Stephen Zunes is Middle East editor for the Foreign Policy In Focus Project. He is a professor of Politics and the author of Tinderbox: U.S. Middle East Policy and the Roots of Terrorism (Common Courage Press, 2003).


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Answer : What does Hizzbollah fight for?

How could they be statesmen with such a goal?



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AT WAR

Khobar Towers
The Clinton administration left many stones unturned.

BY LOUIS J. FREEH
Sunday, June 25, 2006 12:01 a.m. EDT

Ten years ago today, acting under direct orders from senior Iranian government leaders, the Saudi Hezbollah detonated a 25,000-pound TNT bomb that killed 19 U.S. airmen in their dormitory at Khobar Towers in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia. The blast wave destroyed Building 131 and grievously wounded hundreds of additional Air Force personnel. It also killed an unknown number of Saudi civilians in a nearby park.

The 19 Americans murdered were members of the 4,404th Wing, who were risking their lives to enforce the no-fly zone over southern Iraq. This was a U.N.-mandated mission after the 1991 Gulf War to stop Saddam Hussein from killing his Shiite people. The Khobar victims, along with the courageous families and friends who mourn them this weekend in Washington, deserve our respect and honor. More importantly, they must be remembered, because American justice has still been denied.

Although a federal grand jury handed up indictments in June 2001--days before I left as FBI director and a week before some of the charges against 14 of the terrorists would have lapsed because of the statute of limitations--two of the primary leaders of the attack, Ahmed Ibrahim al-Mughassil and Abdel Hussein Mohamed al-Nasser, are living comfortably in Iran with about as much to fear from America as Osama bin Laden had prior to Sept. 11 (to wit, U.S. marshals showing up to serve warrants for their arrests).





The aftermath of the Khobar bombing is just one example of how successive U.S. governments have mishandled Iran. On June 25, 1996, President Clinton declared that "no stone would be left unturned" to find the bombers and bring them to "justice." Within hours, teams of FBI agents, and forensic and technical personnel, were en route to Khobar. The president told the Saudis and the 19 victims' families that I was responsible for the case. This assignment became very personal and solemn for me, as it meant that I was the one who dealt directly with the victims' survivors. These disciplined military families asked only one thing of me and their country: "Please find out who did this to our sons, husbands, brothers and fathers and bring them to justice."
It soon became clear that Mr. Clinton and his national security adviser, Sandy Berger, had no interest in confronting the fact that Iran had blown up the towers. This is astounding, considering that the Saudi Security Service had arrested six of the bombers after the attack. As FBI agents sifted through the remains of Building 131 in 115-degree heat, the bombers admitted they had been trained by the Iranian external security service (IRGC) in Lebanon's Beka Valley and received their passports at the Iranian Embassy in Damascus, Syria, along with $250,000 cash for the operation from IRGC Gen. Ahmad Sharifi.

We later learned that senior members of the Iranian government, including Ministry of Defense, Ministry of Intelligence and Security and the Spiritual Leader's office had selected Khobar as their target and commissioned the Saudi Hezbollah to carry out the operation. The Saudi police told us that FBI agents had to interview the bombers in custody in order to make our case. To make this happen, however, the U.S. president would need to make a personal request to Saudi Crown Prince Abdullah.

So for 30 months, I wrote and rewrote the same set of simple talking points for the president, Mr. Berger, and others to press the FBI's request to go inside a Saudi prison and interview the Khobar bombers. And for 30 months nothing happened. The Saudis reported back to us that the president and Mr. Berger would either fail to raise the matter with the crown prince or raise it without making any request. On one such occasion, our commander in chief instead hit up Prince Abdullah for a contribution to his library. Mr. Berger never once, in the course of the five-year investigation which coincided with his tenure, even asked how the investigation was going.

In their only bungled attempt to support the FBI, a letter from the president intended for Iran's President Mohammad Khatami, asking for "help" on the Khobar case, was sent to the Omanis, who had direct access to Mr. Khatami. This was done without advising either the FBI or the Saudis who were exposed in the letter as providing help to the Americans. We only found out about the letter because it was misdelivered to the spiritual leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, who then publicly denounced the U.S. This was an embarrassment for the Saudis who had been fully cooperating with the FBI by providing direct evidence of Iranian involvement. Both Saudi Prince Bandar and Interior Minister Prince Nayef, who had put themselves and their government at great risk to help the FBI, were now undermined by America's president.

The Clinton administration was set on "improving" relations with what it mistakenly perceived to be a moderate Iranian president. But it also wanted to accrue the political mileage of proclaiming to the world, and to the 19 survivor families, that America was aggressively pursuing the bombers. When I would tell Mr. Berger that we could close the investigation if it compromised the president's foreign policy, the answer was always: "Leave no stone unturned."





Meanwhile, then-Secretary of State Madeleine Albright and Mr. Clinton ordered the FBI to stop photographing and fingerprinting Iranian wrestlers and cultural delegations entering the U.S. because the Iranians were complaining about the identification procedure. Of course they were complaining. It made it more difficult for their intelligence agents and terrorist coordinators to infiltrate into America. I was overruled by an "angry" president and Mr. Berger who said the FBI was interfering with their rapprochement with Iran.
Finally, frustrated in my attempts to execute Mr. Clinton's "leave no stone unturned" order, I called former president George H.W. Bush. I had learned that he was about to meet Crown Prince Abdullah on another matter. After fully briefing Mr. Bush on the impasse and faxing him the talking points that I had now been working on for over two years, he personally asked the crown prince to allow FBI agents to interview the detained bombers.

After his Saturday meeting with now-King Abdullah, Mr. Bush called me to say that he made the request, and that the Saudis would be calling me. A few hours later, Prince Bandar, then the Saudi ambassador to Washington, asked me to come out to McLean, Va., on Monday to see Crown Prince Abdullah. When I met him with Wyche Fowler, our Saudi ambassador, and FBI counterterrorism chief Dale Watson, the crown prince was holding my talking points. He told me Mr. Bush had made the request for the FBI, which he granted, and told Prince Bandar to instruct Nayef to arrange for FBI agents to interview the prisoners.

Several weeks later, agents interviewed the co-conspirators. For the first time since the 1996 attack, we obtained direct evidence of Iran's complicity. What Mr. Clinton failed to do for three years was accomplished in minutes by his predecessor. This was the breakthrough we had been waiting for, and the attorney general and I immediately went to Mr. Berger with news of the Saudi prison interviews.

Upon being advised that our investigation now had proof that Iran blew up Khobar Towers, Mr. Berger's astounding response was: "Who knows about this?" His next, and wrong, comment was: "That's just hearsay." When I explained that under the Rules of Federal Evidence the detainees' comments were indeed more than "hearsay," for the first time ever he became interested--and alarmed--about the case. But this interest translated into nothing more than Washington "damage control" meetings held out of the fear that Congress, and ordinary Americans, would find out that Iran murdered our soldiers. After those meetings, neither the president, nor anyone else in the administration, was heard from again about Khobar.





Sadly, this fits into a larger pattern of U.S. governments sending the wrong message to Tehran. Almost 13 years before Iran committed its terrorist act of war against America at Khobar, it used its surrogates, the Lebanese Hezbollah, to murder 241 Marines in their Beirut barracks. The U.S. response to that 1983 outrage was to pull our military forces out of the region. Such timidity was not lost upon Tehran. As with Beirut, Tehran once again received loud and clear from the U.S. its consistent message that there would be no price to pay for its acts of war against America. As for the 19 dead warriors and their families, their commander in chief had deserted them, leaving only the FBI to carry on the fight.
The Khobar bombing case eventually led to indictments in 2001, thanks to the personal leadership of President George W. Bush and Condoleezza Rice. But justice has been a long time coming. Only so much can be done, after all, with arrest warrants and judicial process. Bin Laden and his two separate pre-9/11 arrest warrants are a case in point.

Still, many stones remain unturned. It remains to be seen whether the Khobar case and its fugitives will make it onto the list of America's demands in "talks" with the Iranians. Or will we ultimately ignore justice and buy a separate peace with our enemy?

Mr. Freeh was FBI director from 1993 through 2001.



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THE HEZBOLLAH MODEL

In the U.S. demonology of terrorism, Osama bin Laden and al Qaeda are relative newcomers. For most of the past two decades, Hezbollah has claimed pride of place as the top concern of U.S. counterterrorism officials. It was Hezbollah that pioneered the use of suicide bombing, and its record of attacks on the United States and its allies would make even bin Laden proud: the bombing of the U.S. marine barracks in Beirut in 1983 and the U.S. embassy there in 1983 and 1984; the hijacking of twa flight 847 and murder of U.S. Navy diver Robert Stethem in 1985; a series of lethal attacks on Israeli targets in Lebanon; the bombing of the Israeli embassy in Argentina in 1992 and of a Buenos Aires Jewish community center in 1994. More recently, Hezbollah operatives have plotted to blow up the Israeli embassy in Thailand, and a Lebanese member of Hezbollah was indicted for helping to design the truck bomb that flattened the Khobar Towers U.S. military base in Saudi Arabia in 1996. As CIA director George Tenet testified earlier this year, "Hezbollah, as an organization with capability and worldwide presence, is [al Qaeda's] equal, if not a far more capable organization. I actually think they're a notch above in many respects."



http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20031101faessay82606/daniel-byman/should-hezbollah-be-next.html


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Allegations of specific terrorist attacks
Hezbollah is believed by the United States and some other countries' intelligence agencies to have kidnapped and tortured to death U.S. Marine Colonel William R. Higgins and the CIA station chief in Beirut, William Francis Buckley, [117] and to have kidnapped around 30 other Westerners between 1982 and 1992, including U.S. journalist Terry Anderson, British journalist John McCarthy, the Archbishop of Canterbury's special envoy Terry Waite and Irish citizen Brian Keenan.[118] Hezbollah was accused by the US government of being responsible for the April 1983 bombing of the U.S. Embassy in Beirut that killed 63; of being behind the 1983 Beirut barracks bombing, a suicide truck bombing that killed 241 U.S. marines in their barracks in Beirut in October 1983; of bombing the replacement U.S. Embassy in East Beirut on September 20, 1984, killing 20 Lebanese and two U.S. soldiers; and of carrying out the 1985 hijacking of TWA Flight 847 en route from Athens to Rome. These accusations are denied by Hezbollah.[119]

The U.S. claims Hezbollah carried out two Argentine terrorist attacks in the early 1990s: the 1992 Israeli Embassy bombing in Buenos Aires, killing 29 people, and an attack two years later on a Jewish community center there, killing 85.[120][121] Hezbollah denies these claims.[122][123]

On July 26, 1994, eight days after the community center bombing, the Israeli Embassy in London was car bombed by two Palestinians. United Kingdom, Israel and Argentina blamed Hezbollah for the attack.[124]



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hezbollah

by the bombing of the Jewish community center happened just after Israel killed a Hizzbollah commander in Lebanon.



Media operations
Hezbollah operates a satellite television station from Lebanon, Al-Manar TV ("the Lighthouse") as well as a radio station, al-Nour ("the light"). Kabdat Alla ("The Fist of God") is the monthly magazine of Hezbollah's paramilitary wing.

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Al Manar broadcasts news in Arabic, English, French and Hebrew and is widely watched both in Lebanon and in other Arab countries. Its transmission in France (even via satellite, not by any station based on French territory) is controversial. It has been accused of promoting religious and racial hatred (against Jews), which is a criminal offense in France. On December 13, 2004, the French Conseil d'�tat, acting on the request of the French TV authorities, issued an injunction to Eutelsat to cease the broadcasting of Al Manar in France.[73]

The Hezbollah Central Internet Bureau in 2003 released a Video Game[74] titled Special Force, intended to simulate Arab-Israeli conflicts from an Arab perspective.



Is attacking a Jewish community center in ARGENTINA and anti zionist attack or an anti Jewish attack?

"if they all gather in Israel, it will save us the trouble of going after them worldwide."

"It is an open war until the elimination of Israel and until the death of the last Jew on earth"


Hizbullah leader Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah

He would make a great klansman.


Of course you must also know that Hizzbollah sells drugs and Counterfeit US money.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 3:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, Hezbollah could evolve into statesmen, just like some of Israel's leaders who were terrorists prior to its creation in 1948. Unfortunately for the peoples of Lebanon, Israel and the world, Hezbollah's leaders haven't yet chosen that path. Yes, they managed to win seats in the Lebanese government. But, they didn't disband their private terrorist militias. They didn't merge their fighters into the Lebanese army. They didn't join in building a free and prosperous Lebanon. They continued to build up their military and terrorist wing. Then, they attacked Israel and Israel chose to defend itself.

Had they acted like statesmen, they would have disbanded their terrorist operations and joined with the civil society of Lebanon. Had they been true statesmen, they would have helped their country to negotiate the minor issues that remained between Lebanon and Israel. The only major element missing from the conditions needed to create a permanent peace between Lebanon and Israel was the disbanding of Hezbollah itself.

They don't want to disaband. They don't want peace. They don't give a damn about the people of Lebanon. They hide like cowards behind women and children. They don't care when those women and children are killed. It is an essential part of their strategy. Hezbollah's only reason for existence, besides the personal aggrandizement of its leaders, is its self professed goal of the total destruction of Israel.

Hezbollah is a group of radicalized individuals who must be defeated - captured or better yet, killed. They cannot change their stripes. No different than Al Quaida. The key to peace is to fight the terrorists without radicalizing new generations of terrorists. This is where the US has failed for generations.

Israel and Lebanon are (or should be) free and independent nations. They have the right to self defense and peaceful coexistance.

Hezbollah is an evil terrorist organization with no legitmate purpose and no right to exist.

The US interventionist foreign policy as practiced for decades has exacerbated the problems in this region and around the world. There are no innocent players. Even so, without Hezbollah, Israel and Lebanon could be living in peace today. This would certainly be a defeat for Syria and Iran, so on we go ....
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 5:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

-because evolution is only a flawed theory.

leopards do not change their spots, monkeys do not become people. perhaps theres a missing link?
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Answer : What does Hizzbollah fight for?

How could they be statesmen with such a goal?


Put another dime in the Joo box baby........great rebuttal.

Is attacking a Jewish community center in ARGENTINA and anti zionist attack or an anti Jewish attack?
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"if they all gather in Israel, it will save us the trouble of going after them worldwide."

"It is an open war until the elimination of Israel and until the death of the last Jew on earth"

Hizbullah leader Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah

He would make a great klansman.


This was not the focus of the article and it would be great if you could stop with your one answer to everything and address the article. Also, anybody could also quote numerous Israel spokesmen, from past to present , from Dyan to Netanyahu , with the same sort of rhetoric and disregard for humanity. It proves nothing.

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Of course you must also know that Hizzbollah sells drugs and Counterfeit US money.


Your "proof " of this consists of alleged finding of bills in a building and also a govt commissioned report. We all know the govt has been finding what it wants during the Bush administration and this one is pur fantasy and innuendo. They don't need to, they get plenty of support from other sources, as does Israel from its big brother....

I think the point of the article is
1). Why is there no notion of peace, pressure for peace and dealing with adversaries through other means than the gun. Because there is no respect for other cultures and their own political autonomy

2) U.S. foreign policy is populist and reactionary and not decided on what is best but rather what the current spin is.......

3). Israel evolved from terrorist quasi state to legitimacy and so could Hizbollah and they've shown their willingness to be part of a democracy. So why doesn't Israel support that and start dialogue?

4) Hizbollah is the rejected son of Israel.....much like the story of Tantalus who killed his son and fed him to the Gods. Pelops returned to haunt the father.....

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ontheway



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 5:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ddeubel,

Please give one example of a high ranking official of the government of Israel advocating genocide of the arabs or moslems of the world.

Genocide of the Jewish people of the world, and thereby the destruction of the State of Israel, is the clear, repeated, avowed goal of Hezbollah, Syria, and Iran.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 6:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Please give one example of a high ranking official of the government of Israel advocating genocide of the arabs or moslems of the world.


I have repeatedly said I am against the Muslim leaders rhetoric against the west, Israel etc.....But also that we should understand it, in terms of their political culture and tradition and it in no way reflects the feeling on the street.....

Still there are many examples of Israeli "hate" and genocidal talk. I won't say much about the military examples. So numerous and would fill a book. Let's not forget the most recent comment of the current campaign's commander when asked about what happens when the missles are dropped on civilian targets -- he replied coldly something to the effect that they make a whistling noise....also while on my mind , Raphael Eitan, former Israel Army Chief, once said "When we have settled the land, all the Arabs will be able to do about it will be to scurry around like drugged cockroaches in a bottle.

Let's not forget how Dyan reportedly would always say, "the best Arab is a dead Arab."

Deputy Defense Minister Ze'ev Boim asked "What is it about Islam as a whole and the Palestinians in particular? Is it some form of cultural deprivation? Is it some genetic defect? I think this was last year.........

Also how about all the anti Arab graffiti in Israeli cities. ??? Death to Arabs and all that...? Prevalent and Israeli Arabs have taken to painting swastikas beside it , because the authorities won't remove it and this forces them to.

And then we have this most infamous remark....also many others have been posted to this board but I don't know where to reference them....maybe someone can help???
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An Israeli Knesset member from Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's ruling Likud party has described all Arabs as worms in a parliamentary debate.


Yehiel Hazan, parliamentary leader of the biggest lobby group for Jewish colonists illegally settling in the occupied West Bank and Gaza Strip, said on Monday:

"The Arabs are worms. You find them everywhere like worms, underground as well as above."


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W.T.Carl



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 12:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Silly Canadian, The best Arab IS A DEAD ARAB. We ( the west and any other region influenced by the Englightenment of the 18th Century) IS AT WAR WITH A PEOPLE LOCKED IN A 7th CENTURY MENTALITY. I don't see anybody in Isreal or India or the west blowing themselves up in order to recieve 72 virgin and a mule in heaven. Can you expect rational behavior from such types? Can you expect moderation and peaceful co existance with a people who believe that it is the will of god that they control the world? This is a war of civilizations. Any body who doesn't believe this is either or a fool or a knave. I will give you the benefit of the doubt- you are merely a fool.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 2:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

W.T.Carl wrote:
Can you expect moderation and peaceful co existance with a people who believe that it is the will of god that they control the world?


"Our race is the master race. We are divine gods on this planet. We are as different from the inferior races as they are from insects. In fact, compared to our race, other races are beasts and animals, cattle at best. Other races are considered as human excrement. Our destiny is to rule over the inferior races. Our earthly kingdom will be ruled by our leader with a rod of iron. The masses will lick our feet, and serve us as our slaves"

Menachem Begin
(Israeli Prime Minister, 1977-1983)

It is from rense.com, http://www.rense.com/general73/master.htm, so it might be a completely made up lie, but it would n't surprise me if it was true. Anyone confirm or deny this quote?
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

this Arab gentleman would make a great stateman someday

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On the other hand



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 8:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It is from rense.com, http://www.rense.com/general73/master.htm, so it might be a completely made up lie, but it would n't surprise me if it was true. Anyone confirm or deny this quote?


I'm the last person who would minimize fascist or racialist undercurrents in Zionism, especially the Revisionist variety. However, that quote does strike me as a little over-the-top, as if Begin were deliberately trying to craft a statement that his enemies would later be able to use against him.

Plus, if that statement is authentic, it must be recorded somewhere, either as a piece of writing or as the transcript of a speech. Why doesn't Rense tell us where it's from?
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 8:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A quick google search shows that quote turning up on numerous websites, each time in the same Texe Marrs essay. Interestingly, Marss doesn't attribute it to Begin, but rather uses it as a composite of what Jews supposedly believe.

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"Our race is the Master Race. We are divine gods on this planet. We are as different from the inferior races as they are from insects. In fact, compared to our race, other races are beasts and animals, cattle at best. Other races are considered as human excrement. Our destiny is to rule over the inferior races. Our earthly kingdom will be ruled by our leader with a rod of iron. The masses will lick our feet and serve us as our slaves."

If I asked you what group of people embrace a set of doctrines like this, what would your answer be? Most of you would probably answer, "The Nazis." Today, in fact, it is Jews who make all these poisonous claims to racial superiority. No, not all the Jews. But, as I will document, a huge number of leaders among the Jews ascribe to these wicked and dangerous theories of racial and blood superiority.



So yes, I'd say Rense was lying through his teeth when he put Begin's name after the quote.

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Illuminati/all_hail_the_master_jewish_race.htm
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 8:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Silly Canadian, The best Arab IS A DEAD ARAB. We ( the west and any other region influenced by the Englightenment of the 18th Century) IS AT WAR WITH A PEOPLE LOCKED IN A 7th CENTURY MENTALITY. I don't see anybody in Isreal or India or the west blowing themselves up in order to recieve 72 virgin and a mule in heaven. Can you expect rational behavior from such types? Can you expect moderation and peaceful co existance with a people who believe that it is the will of god that they control the world? This is a war of civilizations. Any body who doesn't believe this is either or a fool or a knave. I will give you the benefit of the doubt- you are merely a fool.


Once again you show your "one swath takes all" bigotry and uninformed view of the world..........Arabs vary and even their mentality is very modern. Also, we should look at the underlying cause of WHY? people blow themselves up? It is not for virgins but other reasons. A few good books I could recommend regarding this. A recent one about the Kamikazee of Japan illustrates the point that there are underlying social reasons for young men or now women doing this. We missed the opportunity to really address this after 9/11. Israel won't find peace until it also deals with this issue and the soil these men come from...

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Bulsajo



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 8:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

On the other hand wrote:

So yes, I'd say Rense was lying through his teeth when he put Begin's name after the quote.

This needs repeating.
It'd be great to have a thread here entitled "Liars and the people who quote from them."
This is not directed at you deadman, as you qualified you quote, anmd rightly so.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 9:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bulsajo wrote:
On the other hand wrote:

So yes, I'd say Rense was lying through his teeth when he put Begin's name after the quote.

This needs repeating.
It'd be great to have a thread here entitled "Liars and the people who quote from them."
This is not directed at you deadman, as you qualified you quote, anmd rightly so.


So, what EXACTLY is your point here Bully?

10 words or less?

btw - REFUGEE: it's an excellent "talking" point.

One man's cold-blooded "terrorist" = ANOTHER's legitimate "Head of State".
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