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[fiveeagles]

Many who explain war�s origins in man�s abandonment of reason also derive their thoughts from Plato, who argues that �wars and revolutions and battles are due simply and solely to the body and its desires.� That is, man�s appetite sometimes or perpetually overwhelms his reasoning capacity, which results in moral and political degeneration. Echoes of Plato�s theories abound in Western thought, resurfacing for example, in Freud�s cogitation on war (�Why War�) in which he sees war�s origins in the death instinct, or in Dostoyevsky�s comments on man�s inherent barbarity: �It�s just their defenselessness that tempts the tormentor, just the angelic confidence of the child who has no refuge and no appeal, that sets his vile blood on fire. In every man, of course, a beast lies hidden-the beast of rage, the beast of lustful heat at the screams of the tortured victim, the beast of lawlessness let off the chain, the beast of diseases that follow on vice, gout, kidney disease, and so on.� (Brothers Karamazov, ii.V.4, �Rebellion�)

What Jesus had to say about war;

�Take heed that no one deceives you. 5�For many will come in My name, saying, �I am the Christ,� and will deceive many. 6�And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled; for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. 7�For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in various places. 8�All these are the beginning of sorrows. 9�Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name�s sake. 10�And then many will be offended, will betray one another, and will hate one another. 11�Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many. 12�And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold. 13�But he who endures to the end shall be saved. 14�And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.
Matt 24:4.

What will it take to free ourselves from war?

[Bulsajo]

No. Most people are too stupid to acheive peace and too petty to deserve it.
Me? I blame God- after all he made us in his image.
He's the craftsman, I'm just his tool.
And we all know that only a poor craftsman blames his tools.

(and yes, I know that some of us are bigger tools than others)


Seriously, no. Human nature won't allow it.
One of my favorite books has an interesting take on the idea of a "world at peace" and what this would mean to the human sub-conscience.

Ursula K. Le Guin's The Lathe of Heaven

[Ya-ta Boy]

[ddeubel]

1 Corinthians 13

1If I speak in the tonguesof men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3If I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames,[b] but have not love, I gain nothing.
4Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.

8Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. 9For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10but when perfection comes, the imperfect disappears. 11When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put childish ways behind me. 12Now we see but a poor reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.

13And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.

I watched Israeli (but could have been Hizbollah) soldiers dancing in ecstacy over a kill, chanting religious verses. Where is their love? Where have we come? We are still dancing around fires and thirsting for blood as animals. It is still dawn. As a group, mankind is a failure.

I can only say peace will come when wisdom in the form of "seeing yourself in others" and "there goes I" or "thou art that" arrives to each of us. All religions and cultures have this through trial and error as the highest form of "intelligence" a person can achieve.

So little of it at the moment, here and all over the world. Compassion.

DD

[fiveeagles]

[Milwaukiedave]

The short answer is no, but I don't really know how I would answer in the poll.

Conflict will always exsist, at least until we completely blow each other to bits. When that will happen, who knows?

[laogaiguk]

This poll is useless, whether it's this site's narrow options for polls, or FiveEagles narrow-minded options for everything, I don't know. But to say it's just one of those things is crazy. But the world is getting better. If we don't annihlate ourselves first (which is highly unlikely, though we can really hurt ourselves and throw us back a few millenia) it will happen. Remember, tribes 50 kilometres away used to fight with each other on a seasonal basis. Now it's countries, and even those countries are coming closer together.

[Bulsajo]

[fiveeagles]

[Nowhere Man]

World peace would also have a dangerous undercurrent of constrictive centralization of power.

And, while I believe there could be peace among nations, murder will exist as long as love does.

While you're waiting for the return of Christ, keep in mind that you'll be lucky if Krishna doesn't reincarnate you as a gnat after you spend a thousand years experiencing the Kama Sutra with a hot poker.

Now go argue with Rteacher.

[fiveeagles]

In your shite, you did offer something half decent.

[Juregen]

Eternal peace is like perfection

Unatainable

i prefer to believe is some kind of harmonic sense of Chaos and Order, too much of one and badaboem, it growls like cancer.