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otis



Joined: 02 Jun 2006

PostPosted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 2:17 pm    Post subject: To Parents Reply with quote

Do you let your kids play naughty video games?

My five-year-old son is addicted to Playstation's Godfather. Think I should take that crap from him, or do you think it's pretty harmless.
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cosmicgirlie



Joined: 29 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 2:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ohhh two words for you young man two words--Vicarious Trauma
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laogaiguk



Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea

PostPosted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 2:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Give him some lego or get his ass outside before it gets fatter than a pig's. His entire body, including his mind (hence the lego, or anything to get imagination going) is developing now.
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Demophobe



Joined: 17 May 2004

PostPosted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 3:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is room for video games in a child's life, but first, the time has to be restricted and second, choose non-violent games.

The Godfather is a terrible game for kids. There are many choices that can stimulate their imagination and are very creative. I guess they aren't all "games", but they are really fun.

I see no difference between playing with lego and using a painting or drawing program as far as a child's development. In both cases they are being creative and must think in a similar way, and in both cases they are sitting on their butt. Wink

Computers are a big part of life now, and the faster a child becomes comfortable on one, the better. Again, the choice of software is paramount.

Personally, I will never have a console in my house with a small child. It's too much to expect them not to want to play games. After all, that's all a console is for. A computer however, has many applications which are fun, educational and interesting. Kids just need to be taught that a computer is not only a game machine, but a tool for many purposes.

Right now, my son is hooked on Photoshop. He takes my camera, goes walking and takes "cool" pictures, uploads them and manipulates them with photoshop. I think that's great! He has limited time for it, and he has no problem with that. He uses the computer for added school studies and Bible study as well; he has a good understanding of what a flexible tool a computer is and prefers many things to gaming (though he does have set times for that, if he chooses). We don't watch TV in my house (except the National Geographic channel), as we try to keep the 'addictive garbage' levels to a minimum.
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Skaborough



Joined: 03 Feb 2006
Location: Toronto, ON

PostPosted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 3:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Console games are harmless, if you have the sence of prespective in life to realize the difference in virtual vs. real violence. Young children should have little or no access to these games. These games are designed for grade 12 + ages. I agree with the above. Kids should have lego, skateboards, waterguns and a dog.

I blame me being fat as a younger kid on not being out side. My friends who are into healthy living now were kids who never had video games, or parents who wouldn't let them watch TV.

Payce
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Bulsajo



Joined: 16 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 4:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If they ever make an Oedipus video game, I'd want your son to have it, Otis.
Seriously, you're letting a 5 year old play a videogame based on the godfather?
And you need Dave's members' advice on what to do?
Must be your latest trolling effort, I can't believe you're being serious here.
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SuperHero



Joined: 10 Dec 2003
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 4:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My daughter is 4.5 and she doesn't play video games. She has just started getting interested in the computer and I'm thinking about getting some educational games such as the reader rabbit series.

No console systems in my house until the kids are at least 12 years old and all computer games will be vetted by dad first.
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captain planet



Joined: 18 Jul 2006

PostPosted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 6:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i think it's harmful to teach your children the bible unless you expose them to other religious texts as well
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canuckistan
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Joined: 17 Jun 2003
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 7:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get him away from screens and get him outside to play where he can develop an imagination instead of growing his brain on mindless trash.
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laogaiguk



Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea

PostPosted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 7:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Demophobe wrote:
There is room for video games in a child's life, but first, the time has to be restricted and second, choose non-violent games.

I see no difference between playing with lego and using a painting or drawing program as far as a child's development. In both cases they are being creative and must think in a similar way, and in both cases they are sitting on their butt. Wink


I totally disagree. Console games are useless for children as it creates bad habits right away. Computer games are ok if educational, but even then should be restricted to very little time as the kid will get use to learning like that. Same for TV though.
I never sat on my butt playing or building with lego Wink But while I see where you are coming from, lego has so many other benefits comparing them doesn't seem right.


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Computers are a big part of life now, and the faster a child becomes comfortable on one, the better. Again, the choice of software is paramount.

Again, disagree. And I have a bachelor of computer science, so I am not some anti-computer hick Wink
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Personally, I will never have a console in my house with a small child. It's too much to expect them not to want to play games. After all, that's all a console is for. A computer however, has many applications which are fun, educational and interesting. Kids just need to be taught that a computer is not only a game machine, but a tool for many purposes.

Right now, my son is hooked on Photoshop. He takes my camera, goes walking and takes "cool" pictures, uploads them and manipulates them with photoshop. I think that's great! He has limited time for it, and he has no problem with that. He uses the computer for added school studies and Bible study as well; he has a good understanding of what a flexible tool a computer is and prefers many things to gaming (though he does have set times for that, if he chooses). We don't watch TV in my house (except the National Geographic channel), as we try to keep the 'addictive garbage' levels to a minimum.


I can't really comment good or bad, because there are so many other factors to take into account that usually only the parent knows.
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Hapkido-In



Joined: 24 Jun 2006

PostPosted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 7:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think video games are good for kids.

They improve hand-eye co-ordination.

They improve reflexes.

They develop intuition.

They develop a sense of comptetition.

They lower congnitive processing time.

They develop strategic planning.

And they are fun.

However, Godfather might be a little too violent for a 5 year old. A change of games might be better for the little dude. Something like Bust-a-Move or SSX (snowboarding).

Encourage the kid to play video games.
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laogaiguk



Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea

PostPosted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 7:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hapkido-In wrote:
I think video games are good for kids.

They improve hand-eye co-ordination.

They improve reflexes.

They develop intuition.

They develop a sense of competiveness.

They lower congnitive processing time.

They develop strategic planning.

And they are fun.

However, Godfather might be a little too violent for a 5 year old. A change of games might be better for the little dude. Something like Bust-a-Move or SSX (snowboarding).

Nothing you said is incorrect, but you left out how other activities provide even more benefits than that. I think that is where some people are getting lost. It's not that videogames are horrid, but they are not as good as playing ball, or riding a bike, etc etc... when you add all the benefits (early start at good exercise habits, get outside and maybe meet people, not think staying infront of a screen is good, etc).

Encourage the kid to play video games.


I don't know what happened here. It didn't save anything I typed. Oh well, here we go again.

All those things are true, but there are better ways to get most of those. There are many bad things about video games for kids (my opinion under 12), the biggest being bad habits right off and one has to wonder about eye health too. This goes for computers too, even if using educational things. I really don't feel like typing it out again though Smile
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Demophobe



Joined: 17 May 2004

PostPosted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 4:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

laogaiguk wrote:


I totally disagree. Console games are useless for children as it creates bad habits right away. Computer games are ok if educational, but even then should be restricted to very little time as the kid will get use to learning like that. Same for TV though.
I never sat on my butt playing or building with lego Wink But while I see where you are coming from, lego has so many other benefits comparing them doesn't seem right.



laogaiguk wrote:
Again, disagree. And I have a bachelor of computer science, so I am not some anti-computer hick Wink


I'm not sure you read my post.

Console games = bad. We agree.

Educational games / software = good. We agree.

Restricted times = good. We agree.

TV = bad. We agree.

How did you play with your Lego then? Doing math as well? During exercise? In saying "other benefits" (over 3d construction software, say), what do you mean? Hand dexterity? Teeth strengthening by biting apart the two blocks locked together?

You disagree that computers are a big part of life, yet you majored in them?!? I guess you agreed at some point...

You can't really comment when I say that console games are bad?! And that computers can be educational?! Well...ok then....

Overall... Question
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laogaiguk



Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea

PostPosted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 4:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Demophobe wrote:
laogaiguk wrote:


I totally disagree. Console games are useless for children as it creates bad habits right away. Computer games are ok if educational, but even then should be restricted to very little time as the kid will get use to learning like that. Same for TV though.
I never sat on my butt playing or building with lego Wink But while I see where you are coming from, lego has so many other benefits comparing them doesn't seem right.



laogaiguk wrote:
Again, disagree. And I have a bachelor of computer science, so I am not some anti-computer hick Wink


I'm not sure you read my post.

Console games = bad. We agree.

Educational games / software = good. We agree.

Restricted times = good. We agree.

TV = bad. We agree.

How did you play with your Lego then? Doing math as well? During exercise? In saying "other benefits" (over 3d construction software, say), what do you mean? Hand dexterity? Teeth strengthening by biting apart the two blocks locked together?

You disagree that computers are a big part of life, yet you majored in them?!? I guess you agreed at some point...

You can't really comment when I say that console games are bad?! And that computers can be educational?! Well...ok then....

Overall... Question


No, I think your "restricted" time and mine are different. Wink I mean really, really restricted. It's not the computer itself, but the fact that they are learning from it and creating bad habits right away. Books should be used with children under 10 for as much as possible. I also don't agree that children should get into computers early. Someone who started learning computers at 12 years old at 20 years old will be the same as someone who started learning at 6 (and if there is any difference, it is negligible).

3D constructions software does not have the same effect as lego. Beyond the fact that children are tactile, the computer offers virtually any choice. With lego, you have to make do with what you have. There are many other factors, like learning to share or trade. Also, after building something, I then had it and played with it. I could play with it. I don't understand how you can compare it to 3D software (if that is what you are doing)?

Even with books, children move around while reading. Change positions, etc. You don't do that with computers (I am talking about now). Then there is eye and wrist health, as studies aren't finished on kids starting computers early. Though through the use of cell phones, finger arthritis has actually started becoming a bit of a problem.

I coudl go on and on why kids should be doing other things than sitting inside, in one position looking at a screen where anything is possible. On a computer you can do anything, imagination goes down the hole.

Finally, I didn't disagree computers a big part of life, I disagreed that the faster a child becomes comfortable with one, the better. I totally disagree with that (I already showed a couple reasons why up top).

Seriously, I could go on forever why other things are better than having a 6 year old at a computer. I am not technically saying computers are bad, but not as good as other things. Not going to though. Wink I think many others agree with me.
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

PostPosted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 4:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Having read a few of the OP's posts, I'd be far more concerned about his influence on the child than anything a computer programmer dreamed up.
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