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bucheon bum



Joined: 16 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 9:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

stevieg4ever wrote:
i expect bradford is amongst the safest places to be in the uk.

ask the dutch, french, portugease, spanish how they feel and they probably hold identical views to that of the british with regards to muslim


Well here's an idea for the members of the EU:

stop giving welfare and offering social services to immigrants. It would have two important effects:

1. Lower the incentive for lazy bums to immigrate to the West
2. Force immigrants to support themselves, and thereby giving them less time to come up with wacky ideas.

Anyway, Big Verne, your no-immigration policy would have had no effect on this attempted attack either: looks like all of them were home grown. The seeds have already been planted. Wink
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On the other hand



Joined: 19 Apr 2003
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 9:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Big Verne, your no-immigration policy would have had no effect on this attempted attack either: looks like all of them were home grown.


And one of them has apparently been a Muslim for a grand total of six months.

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Neighbors identified another suspect as Don Stewart-Whyte, 21, from High Wycombe, a convert who changed his name to Abdul Waheed.

�He converted to Islam about six months ago and grew a full beard,� said a neighbor, who refused to be identified. �He used to smoke weed and drink a lot, but he is completely different now.�



http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14297890/page/2/
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JLarter



Joined: 17 Apr 2006

PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 10:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

And this whole hand luggage thing is crazy. I'm flying over to Korea from the UK in three weeks. My laptop would get destoyed in the hold!
How long do you reckon those restrictions will be in place?
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bucheon bum



Joined: 16 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 11:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

too freaking long, I'll tell you that much.
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bigverne



Joined: 12 May 2004

PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 12:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bucheon bum wrote:
stevieg4ever wrote:
i expect bradford is amongst the safest places to be in the uk.

ask the dutch, french, portugease, spanish how they feel and they probably hold identical views to that of the british with regards to muslim


Well here's an idea for the members of the EU:

stop giving welfare and offering social services to immigrants. It would have two important effects:

1. Lower the incentive for lazy bums to immigrate to the West
2. Force immigrants to support themselves, and thereby giving them less time to come up with wacky ideas.

Anyway, Big Verne, your no-immigration policy would have had no effect on this attempted attack either: looks like all of them were home grown. The seeds have already been planted. Wink


I agree with you on the welfare issue, and yes, my immigration policy will do little about the home grown Pakistanis and others who adhere to Jihad. Still, I see no reason to continue with the folly of Muslim immigration when we know full well that some of them will adhere to violent Jihad. There are plenty of Poles who could take their place.
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bigverne



Joined: 12 May 2004

PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 12:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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And one of them has apparently been a Muslim for a grand total of six months.


And yet apparently came to the conclusion that Islam commanded him to commit murder. How did he (and the other idiot converts before him), come to that conclusion? Especially when we all know that Islam is no more violent than any other faith.
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Bulsajo



Joined: 16 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 12:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aside from the obvious (prevented from launching a devastating attack), is there any good news in the overall "War on Terror"?
Yes, according to the Aug 11 stratfor podcast:
https://www.stratfor.com/reports/podcasts.php
According to Stratfor, this failure is pretty much the Swansong for al Qaeda in terms of them being able to acheive their goals.
If that sounds crazy, listen to it and decide for yourself.
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igotthisguitar



Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)

PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 12:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

IRONY ALERT !!!

Authorities have known about "terrorists" using "liquids" or otherwise "fluid" based substances as potential WMDs at least since OPERATION BOJNKA ... back ... in ... 1995 Idea

BEND OVER (HERE IT COMES AGAIN) Twisted Evil

Oplan Bojinka
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bojinka

Oplan Bojinka (also known as Operation Bojinka, Project Bojinka, Bojinka Plot, Bojinga, possibly from Arabic: بجنكة � slang in many dialects for explosion and pronounced Bo-JIN-ka, except in Egyptian where it is Bo-GIN-ka) was a planned large-scale attack on airliners in 1995.

Several media outlets, including TIME Asia [1], claim that the word Bojinka means "loud bang" or "explosion" in Serbo-Croatian. In Croatian, "bočnica"[2] translates into English as "boom".

Khalid Shaikh Mohammed fought with Muslim fighters in Bosnia and supported this effort financially [3]. Endnote 7 of Chapter 5 of the 9/11 Commission Report states that Khalid Shaikh Mohammed claims that "bojinka" is "a nonsense word he adopted after hearing it on the front lines in Afghanistan."

In English, the acronym "BOHICA" for 'Bend Over Here It Comes Again' is common military slang which refers to an incoming enemy attack, often bombs and is also used in online chat, e-mail, or newsgroup postings.

Not all media or text that refer to Oplan Bojinka will call it by that name Idea
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stevieg4ever



Joined: 11 Feb 2006
Location: London, England

PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 11:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

agreed. the british social welfare system is one of the biggest funders of terrorism around. i would include putting up those two guys in a 5* hotel temporary accommodation in that bracket as well.

social benefit is the one of the aspects of western democracy that muslims seem to warm to a long with freedom of speech when it suits them (i.e. talking smack about the uk) but i hear they are not to keen on cartoons nor films made about their appaling treatment of women.

bucheon bum wrote:
stevieg4ever wrote:
i expect bradford is amongst the safest places to be in the uk.

ask the dutch, french, portugease, spanish how they feel and they probably hold identical views to that of the british with regards to muslim


Well here's an idea for the members of the EU:

stop giving welfare and offering social services to immigrants. It would have two important effects:

1. Lower the incentive for lazy bums to immigrate to the West
2. Force immigrants to support themselves, and thereby giving them less time to come up with wacky ideas.

Anyway, Big Verne, your no-immigration policy would have had no effect on this attempted attack either: looks like all of them were home grown. The seeds have already been planted. Wink
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stevieg4ever



Joined: 11 Feb 2006
Location: London, England

PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 5:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some of the words that may have inspired these douche bags who are perenially described by the british media as 'boys that like football and burgers and fries' that find cartoons offensive and have a neanderthol mentality, tenuous grasp of hygiene and are followers of a fictional doctrine written by men that live in caves and who claim social benefit in the UK on an alarmingly high scale. :

Believers, take neither Jews nor Christians for your friends. They are friends with one another. Whoever of you seeks their friendship shall become one of their number. Allah does not guide the wrong-doers. 5:51

Mohammed is Allah's apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another. 48:29

Those who resist Allah and his messenger will be humbled to dust. 58:5

As for those who disbelieve and deny Our revelations, they are the heirs of Hell. 5:10

...make war on the leaders of unbelief...Make war on them: Allah will chastise them at your hands and humble them. He will grant you victory over them... 9:12

Prophet, make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their Home: an evil fate. 9:73

Make war on them until idolatry shall cease and Allah's religion shall reign supreme. 8:36

Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Deal firmly with them. 9:121

Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last day, nor hold the forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and his messenger, nor acknowledge the Religion of Truth from among the People of the Book, until they pay the Jiziyah with willing submission. And feel themselves subdued. 9:29

It is He who has sent forth His apostle with guidance and the true Faith Islam to make it triumphant over all religions, however much the idolaters may dislike it. 9:31

Allah revealed His will to the angels, saying: 'I shall be with you. Give courage to the believers. I shall cast terror into the hearts of the infidels. Strike off their heads, strike off the very tips of their fingers!'

When you meet the unbelievers in the Jihad strike off their heads and, when you have laid them low, bind your captives firmly. Then grant them their freedom or take ransom from them, until War shall lay down her burdens. 47:4

The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet and alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter theirs will be an awful doom; Save those who repent before ye overpower them. For know that Allah is Forgiving, merciful. 5:33-34

Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolators wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. 9:5

O Prophet! Exhort the believers to fight. If there be of you twenty steadfast they shall overcome two hundred, and if there be of you a hundred stedfast they shall overcome a thousand of those who disbelieve, because they (the disbelievers) are a folk without intelligence. 8:65

The unbelievers among the People of the Book and the pagans shall burn for ever in the fire of Hell. They are the vilest of all creatures. 98:1-8

The Jews call 'Uzayr-a son of God', and the Christians call 'Christ the Son Of God'. That is a saying from their mouth; (In this) they but intimate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are decluded away from the Truth. 9:30

The curse of Allah is on the unbelievers... humiliating is the punishment. 2:89-90

..The unbelievers shall endure forever the torment of Hell. The punishment will never be lightened, and they shall be speechless with despair. 43:74

For the unbelievers We have prepared chains and fetters and a blazing Fire... 76:1-5

O you who believe! When you encounter in battle those who unbelieve as opposing forces, do not turn your backs to them in flight. For whoever turns his back on them on such an occasion � except that it be for tactical reasons such as withdrawing to fight again or joining another troop of believers or taking up a position against another enemy host � has indeed incurred Allah�s severe punishment, and his final refuge is the Fire; how evil a homecoming and a destination to arrive in. 8:15-16

Try as you may, you cannot treat all your wives impartially. 4:3

Men take authority over women... As for those who are disobedient, admonish them and send them to beds apart and beat them. 4:34
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The Lemon



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 6:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you're going to read anything about this incident, make it this (The Age, Australia). Agree with Gwynne Dyer or not, much of what he writes has the ring of truth, and it's odd more people aren't saying the same thing.

Here's a taste:

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Terrorists of various sorts have been in business for about 40 years, and the present crop of Islamist terrorists are especially dangerous since they are willing to kill themselves along with their victims. But in the United States more people die on the roads every single month than Islamist terrorists have killed since the year 2000, and in Britain it's more people every week. Yet neither country has tried to restrict access to cars.

..This is all hype, designed to frighten the British and American publics into supporting the wars of their deeply unpopular governments (and the war of their Israeli ally as well).
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happeningthang



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 8:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

stevieg4ever wrote:
the british media


Who are perenially described as peurile, racist, jingoistic, homophobic, "right wing", sensationalist, appealing to the lowest common denominator (that's you), offensive and tasteless.




And that's just the Sun.
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Kuros



Joined: 27 Apr 2004

PostPosted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 8:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Well done, lads � but if you have them all locked up, why are you closing the airports and bringing in all these draconian security measures now? A couple of months ago, when you first uncovered this plot but didn't know all the "main players", I could understand such drastic precautions, but why now?


That might tip off the terrorists that the authorities themselves have been tipped off. Any more stupid questions?

I dont think Gwynne Dyer understands that the Jihadists don't do this just to kill, but they do it to create fear and influence policy. When the twin towers exploded, it changed the times.

I think the numbers game, that car accidents kill more in a month than terrorists have this decade, is particularly asinine when you think about it. It's a good method to reassure you about taking a plane, but its not really an argument against protecting security.

Anyway, I read an article on murders today in American cities. I'm more likely to be killed when I get in a car than when I walk into an American city, so should I be cynical about local appeals to federal authorities to fund more crime-prevention programs (the non-incarcerating kind).
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W.T.Carl



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 1:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BigVerne is right! There are plemty of good, hard working Poles that would love a chance to work in the UK for a while and THEN RETURN to Poland. Run the Muslims out!!! NOW!!!
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 9:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://fairuse.100webcustomers.com/sf/nyt8_13_06_6.htmhttp://fairuse.100webcustomers.com/sf/nyt8_13_06_6.htm

August 13, 2006
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Terrorism Experts Cast Doubt on Qaeda Tie to London Arrests
By SCOTT SHANE

WASHINGTON, Aug. 12 � When American and Pakistani officials said this week that one conspirator in the foiled plan to bomb trans-Atlantic airliners was a �liaison� to Al Qaeda, they suggested that his arrest proved the group was linked to the scheme. Rashid Rauf, a Briton, had trained in the group�s camps in the 1990�s and was �a key Al Qaeda operative,� one Pakistani official said.

But counterterrorism experts said Saturday that the focus of government officials and the public on Al Qaeda, a term today with deep connotations but elusive meaning, may be misplaced.

They say the Qaeda label remains useful shorthand for the news media and for officials who want to tap the powerful emotions associated with the Sept. 11 attacks. But to suggest that the terrorist threat today is represented by the organization directly commanded by Osama bin Laden is to oversimplify a complex international movement, the specialists say.

�If you think of Al Qaeda as the group that did 9/11, I don�t think it�s a very useful question,� said Marc S. Sageman, a former Central Intelligence Agency officer and author of a 2004 book closely studied in intelligence agencies, �Understanding Terror Networks.�

�There is no such thing as Al Qaeda as it existed before we went to Afghanistan and destroyed it,� Mr. Sageman said.
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