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[sundubuman]

Recently I began a thread that asked whether or not Western countries should consider banning Islam (the ideology, not the non-existent 'race')

For this, I was called the following

half-wit red neck facist racist ignorant bigotted chauvanistic 'hate monger'
and *beep*

and one forumer threatened...


I'm gonna kick his ass for suggesting some of my family should be banned from Western countries

then the following

In fact single minded twats tw*ts like you should be put down


Okay, for suggesting that an ideology that is OBVIOUSLY threatening our civilization should be banned.....I am met with hatred, threats of physical violence, and told that I am deserving of death.

Talk about cognitave dissonance....

[endo]

Here's the thing. A lot of people on this board are not civil in terms of discourse. It's the internet.........



However, to broadly label "Islam" in the terms you did shows a lot of ignorance on your part.

Have you ever sat down and actually talked with a Muslim?

Come on man, keep it real.



And your proposal is dangerous because if the U.S. or any other Western nation were to ban Islam, it would be a huge step towards a facist state.

This goes against everything the West stands for.




It's funny because a proposal like this shows that there is little difference between your closet minded views and that of the radicals in the Muslim world.

[Caledonian Craig]

Sundubuman, I'm with you on the point of death being advocated when somebody is only putting forth an opinion. I agree with you.

However,

What type of 'freedom' would we have, if it was a freedom based upon banning things?

[dulouz]

[sundubuman]

At some point we have to stand and defend our own civilization. If Muslims were to live their lives in the west along the lines of Orthodax Jews or the Amish, quite happy to keep a distance between themselves and the mainstream, I say no problem. But the truth is, very strong elements in this population have no desire to remain at the margins of a free society. They have killed literally THOUSANDS of people in their host societies to try and make some sick religious-political statements.

As I see it, what I am saying here in the year 2006......will become a true facist movement by 2010, unless moderate Muslims truly take charge of their community.

The reported fact that a "muslim" actually tipped off the authorities as to what was happening with the recent London plane terror plot, is a tiny light of optimism for me.

But trust me, there will be thousands of imams around the world who will feel that this Muslim, who acted to stop holy jihad, has become an infidel deserving of a fatwa of death.

this is, sadly, the calculus that operates in the back of the minds of decent Muslim folks, if they speak up, maybe a death threat (like I just experienced on this board) would be the result.....

It's actually a lot like the Korean who isn't anti-American who remains silent when a group of Koreans start to bitch about America and Mi-Gook-Noms. They are afraid of the group reaction...

[Caledonian Craig]

Actually, there is some truth in what your saying sundubman.

Here in the UK, there is a growing emphasis on getting the Imams,muslim youth-workers, and other leaders to do more to spot this fundamental 'Islamicisation' of it's (mainly) younger people. And to work more with the police and authorities.

The Muslim council of Breat Britain agree that the elders and those with authority have to do more. Whether this happens...I don't know. I hope so.

Sadly doesn't seem likely, as i was watching a well-respected programme here in the UK called 'Dispatches'. In their survey of Muslims interviewed, 1 in 4 thought that the London bombings were 'justified'.

Here is the link.

http://www.channel4.com/news/microsites/D/dispatches2006/muslim_survey/index.html

[happeningthang]

You should realise the irony of your actions and the response to them Sandub.

You seem to have some strong feelings, and a single mindedness in condemning Islam as a reaction to the ignorant hatred of some Muslims.

This manifests itself in you spouting ignorant hatred, and you're suprised when people react with strong feelings and condemnation??

Like it or not they're the same as you.

And you should realise that it's frustrating trying to 'debate' someone who twists logic and facts to justify their point of view.

[Caledonian Craig]

Here's the document that they based the programme on. Muslim attitudes in UK. Some surprises.

The sample was 1000 British Muslims taken randomly. Plenty of empirical problems from the get go, but something to think about.

http://www.imaginate.uk.com/MCC01_SURVEY/Site%20Download.pdf

[endo]

Well it not like the West (specifically America) is doing a hell of a lot to support the moderate voices in the Muslim world.


It's support for Saudi Arabia is so damn hypocritical it makes me sick. The status quo protects America's (and most of the industrialized world's lifeblood - oil) and thus little effort is made to make real change is that part of the world.


In addition, the Americans can a should be putting a lot more pressure on Israel to obtain a settlement in the region. Yes, I know the Palestinians are almost impossible to deal with, but Israel is still occupying land and its new "Security Fence" is stealing more land.



These are the two contributing factors to most of the radicalism in the Muslim world.


And i'm not totally blaming America (and much of the Western world) for acts of terrorism (only partially).

And I believe we need to take a heavy handed response against these extremists.


But we're not going to solve anything in that region of the world unless all the bases are covered and most importantly begin to ask some honest question about ourselves.

[sundubuman]

[endo]

[sundubuman]

No, Just say that all immigration from Muslim countries will cease.

That would be a wise beginning.


Maybe a trial nation, such as Norway or Denmark, could announce that

"unless Saudi Arabia grants total religious freedom to its citizens by 2010, then we will be forced to ban Islam"

Think of it as a form of tough love.

[bigverne]

[endo]

[bigverne]