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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| Hey you are a fan of the American Free Press |
American Free Press? More broadly, i'd say a FREE WORLD PRESS is essential to holding the bastards accountable
Thank goodness for the internet  |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 11:18 pm Post subject: |
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| igotthisguitar wrote: |
| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| Hey you are a fan of the American Free Press |
American Free Press? More broadly, i'd say a FREE WORLD PRESS is essential to holding the bastards accountable
Thank goodness for the internet |
You are also a fan of the American Free Press and Jeff Rense.
(American Free Press and Jeff Rense and the rest ) They are not looking for the truth they are looking to spread misinformation and disinformation in time of war because they want to see the US government weakened or destroyed becuase Rense and his supporters can never get their way unless the US is out of their way.
Rense and the AFP an evil political and social agenda - but they can't gain power unless the US government is weakened or destroyed. |
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ddeubel
Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 5:09 am Post subject: |
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| Rense and the AFP an evil political and social agenda - but they can't gain power unless the US government is weakened or destroyed. |
da plane , da plane....!!!! -- how much time have you spent on fantasy island????? My god! These poor journalists with an agenda to take over the world....hahahahahahah and destroy the U.S. A.........whatever you are smokin', send me some...
By the way, have you ever read The Free World Press....it exists but politely speaking, you sure as hell haven't read one article in it....
http://www.pressfreedom.org/wfpi.asp I've subscribed for years, started first by my father...
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 5:28 am Post subject: |
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| Rense and the AFP an evil political and social agenda - but they can't gain power unless the US government is weakened or destroyed. |
da plane , da plane....!!!! -- how much time have you spent on fantasy island????? My god! These poor journalists with an agenda to take over the world....hahahahahahah and destroy the U.S. A.........whatever you are smokin', send me some...
By the way, have you ever read The Free World Press....it exists but politely speaking, you sure as hell haven't read one article in it....
http://www.pressfreedom.org/wfpi.asp I've subscribed for years, started first by my father...
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Oh DD Rense is a holocaust denial site not only a 9-11 site.
Jeff Rense is a journalist? 
What about the Klan are they journalists? When they write stuff about African Americans is it cause they are looking to tell the truth or spread disinfromation?
DD again doesn't know what he is talking about. |
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ddeubel
Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 5:53 am Post subject: |
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Joo,
I detest Jeff Rense and all his ilk . But I don't go using the tired Star Wars line of "evil political and social agenda' to describe kooks like this......
You want to call ANYTHING not following in your footsteps as "evil". This is tiring and I called you on it. Debate it but drop that word and also the consipiracy of trying to take over the world etc...that you attach to all the causes you dislike.
This was the thrust of my reply.
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 5:59 am Post subject: |
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Joo,
I detest Jeff Rense and all his ilk . But I don't go using the tired Star Wars line of "evil political and social agenda' to describe kooks like this......
You want to call ANYTHING not following in your footsteps as "evil". This is tiring and I called you on it. Debate it but drop that word and also the consipiracy of trying to take over the world etc...that you attach to all the causes you dislike.
This was the thrust of my reply.
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I don't agree with the Guardian but I don't call them evil. I disagree w/ Mareen Dowd of the times but I don't call her evil.
As for Rense and 9-11 conspiracy movement
Why do they take the trouble to put together conspiracy theories? For the fun of it. No they have sinister political agenda.
They do it for the same reason that the K Klux Klan puts out misnformation on their internet site |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Taking a look at the latest Haaretz article on the fighting - http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/749479.html - I just can't understand what Israel thinks is worth this kind of loss. If they occupy southern Lebanon again they can count on a never-ending guerrilla war of attrition. The alternative is Hezbollah being able to hold a gun to them on the northern border (albeit a BB-gun in relative terms). It seems Israel would prefer the former. I can't help but wonder if some gross miscalculations have happened or if Israel actually has no long-term strategy. It will be interesting to see how Lebanon's fight for it's existance continues. |
You can't understand that Israel is going to respond violently to a border raid that killed several of its soldiers and kidnapped 2 others?
What about the 200 rockets a day Hezbollah was firing into civilian areas?
Bah...pointless... |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 9:40 am Post subject: |
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| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
| Taking a look at the latest Haaretz article on the fighting - http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/749479.html - I just can't understand what Israel thinks is worth this kind of loss. If they occupy southern Lebanon again they can count on a never-ending guerrilla war of attrition. The alternative is Hezbollah being able to hold a gun to them on the northern border (albeit a BB-gun in relative terms). It seems Israel would prefer the former. I can't help but wonder if some gross miscalculations have happened or if Israel actually has no long-term strategy. It will be interesting to see how Lebanon's fight for it's existance continues. |
You can't understand that Israel is going to respond violently to a border raid that killed several of its soldiers and kidnapped 2 others?
What about the 200 rockets a day Hezbollah was firing into civilian areas?
Bah...pointless... |
Hezbollah only started firing so many rockets after Israel's airstrikes on Lebanese targets.
In response to a provacative raid Israel takes actions that lead to over 100 soldiers' deaths and 1,000+ Lebanese civilian deaths? Talk about cutting off one's nose to spite one's face. |
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Bulsajo
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Hezbollah only started firing so many rockets after Israel's airstrikes on Lebanese targets.
In response to a provacative raid Israel takes actions that lead to over 100 soldiers' deaths and 1,000+ Lebanese civilian deaths? Talk about cutting off one's nose to spite one's face. |
I've asked this question before of others but have yet to hear a response:
Yu Bum Suk- when Hamas dug a tunnel from Gaza under the border into Israel and conducted a commando raid which resulted in the kidnapping of an Israeli soldier, and Hezbollah, afraid that Hamas was stealing all their thunder, decided to 'one up' them and conduct a simialr raid netting 2 more Israeli soldiers- what should Israel have done?
What would have been the appropriate response?
And why?
Everyone who sides with Hezbollah, (as you clearly are doing- 'Oh, they only started firing rockets as a defensive measure') has not been able to come up with an answer to this question.
So, what's your answer?
Please remember that I do not condone the way Israel's miltary operation has been handled, it's been negligent, indiscrimant, inhumane, and worst of all ineffective, but I have no idea what they could have done in place of a military operation. |
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ddeubel
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| Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 2:35 pm Post subject: |
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I've asked this question before of others but have yet to hear a response:
Yu Bum Suk- when Hamas dug a tunnel from Gaza under the border into Israel and conducted a commando raid which resulted in the kidnapping of an Israeli soldier, and Hezbollah, afraid that Hamas was stealing all their thunder, decided to 'one up' them and conduct a simialr raid netting 2 more Israeli soldiers- what should Israel have done?
What would have been the appropriate response?
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OK, I'll play your game.....they should have kidnapped soldiers in return, arrested or blown up the people responsible....
Oh no! They already have been doing that!!!! Can't do that, got to do something else like put millions into pain and misery and firebomb a country (and lets be honest, the comments about 200 missles -- care to guess how much firepower Israel has lobbed..../????), killing thousands of innocent people.
This is not a response, it is war mongering and killing because they can and have the means. Cruelty without limits. Israel started the war not because of the kidnapping but for collective punishment and to restock its old military supplies...
Please, readjust your thoughts.
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R. S. Refugee
Joined: 29 Sep 2004
Location: Shangra La, ROK
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| Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 4:14 pm Post subject: |
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....when Hamas dug a tunnel from Gaza under the border into Israel and conducted a commando raid which resulted in the kidnapping of an Israeli soldier, and Hezbollah, afraid that Hamas was stealing all their thunder, decided to 'one up' them and conduct a simialr raid netting 2 more Israeli soldiers- what should Israel have done? ...
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That is a toughie, but I'll stick my neck out here and venture a reply. They should have done then -- before all the state terrorism and death and destruction that they've rained down on the people of Lebanon and the retaliatory missile terror experienced by the Israelis-- exactly what they are going to do now, and have done in the past in such situations -- negotiate a prisoner exchange.
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Israel will negotiate for the release of two soldiers whose capture by Hezbollah militants on July 12 sparked the offensive in Lebanon, Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni said Sunday.
http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article.asp?edition_id=1&categ_id=2&article_id=74704 |
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Bulsajo
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 4:18 pm Post subject: |
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| [they should have kidnapped soldiers in return, |
How? Hezbollah don't wear uniforms, they don't stand guard at the border, they're not garrisoned in barracks or on bases.
Just charge into the other country and say "okay give them up!"
Do you honestly think that would have been effective?
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| or blown up the people responsible.... |
How to find the people responsible- crystal ball? Time machine? Ouija board? I'm pretty certain if they knew who had the soldiers and where they were, they would have done just that if an attempt to resuce them had failed.
DDeubel, I think you got confused because I wasn't clear enough, let me re-phrase:
I've asked this question before of others but have yet to hear a reasonable, somewhat effective, non-asinine response.
And I'm still waiting.
Thank god for peace-loving Iran to be there for their Lebanese friends, eh Ddeubel?
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Bulsajo
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 4:21 pm Post subject: |
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negotiate a prisoner exchange.
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Well that certainly worked out very well for Hezbollah's backers- the Iranian revolutionary guard- in Lebanon back in the 80s. You might have forgotten about it but I'm pretty sure no one in Israel has.
...something something forget history something doomed to repeat something...
A prisoner exchange was the stated reason for the kidnappings, if that's what it comes down to then Hezbollah will have provoked this war and won, and so will have strong incentive to act in the same manner in the future. Is that an acceptable conclusion?
Yes, the Israelis have been heavy-handed to the point of war crimes, but this conflict can't end without defenestrating Hezbollah, it can only be put off. |
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R. S. Refugee
Joined: 29 Sep 2004
Location: Shangra La, ROK
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| Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 5:31 pm Post subject: |
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...something something forget history something doomed to repeat something...
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I must remember this quote. I'm sure it will come in handy someday.   |
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Bulsajo
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 6:56 pm Post subject: |
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mumble mumble you're welcome mumble -George Orwell, as quoted by Igothisguitar
Hang on to that one too, it's bound to be worth something one day. |
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