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Khyron

Joined: 27 Jan 2005
Location: Japan

Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 3:38 am Post subject:

Yu_Bum_suk wrote:

OMFG. If only the parents could see what they're paying for.

Maybe they're paying for an English babysitter?

Novernae

Joined: 02 Mar 2005

Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 5:12 am Post subject:

some waygug-in wrote:

I have to hand it to the guy for having the guts to post that video.

I wouldn't be so worried about his current job, but if any future boss ever sees that Shocked

some waygug-in wrote:

While it's easy to blame the teacher and say things about classroom control, the reality is that often classes are very difficult to control.

That might be true in some extreme cases, but I think it's often safe to blame the teacher.

At my last school, the Korean teachers never had discipline problems, and neither did 3 of the five foreign teachers. The other two one the other hand were such good 'friends' with their students that their classes (daily classes, not just for the camera) were just like those ones. They could be five rooms down the hall and I sometimes couldn't hear my own studetns over the uproar. And yet when the students moved to my class they were generally angels. Not once did any of them act like that. The kids would run behind the other two and pull their hair, or jump on them. They'd see us around the corner and turn around and bow. We respected them, and they respected us. The others didn't get fired because the school didn't want to deal with it Rolling Eyes

(though one got put on marking duty and was not alowed to teach anymore). We got offered raises and 'promotions.'

Sody

Joined: 14 May 2006

Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 6:08 am Post subject:

some waygug-in wrote:

I have to hand it to the guy for having the guts to post that video.

It reminds me of my first year with kids, but even now, after 4 years at this game there are still times and or groups that will resist every and all attempts at being "taught" anything.

I have had classes as bad or worse than that...and sometimes I still do.

I have gotten some very helpful advice from this board and sometimes it helps...with most groups, but not always.

While it's easy to blame the teacher and say things about classroom control, the reality is that often classes are very difficult to control.

It's sometimes very hard to figure out what to do with a group of students, especially if they are used to class being "play time".

I have a certain level 1 class that is almost as bad as his. I was at my wits end trying to gain some sort of control over them. Everything I tried failed, no matter how well it had worked with other groups over the years.
I couldn't even play bingo with them, they wouldn't sit still long enough to even get the game started. Shocked

I am slowly finding things that seem to settle them down and make class at least into a semblance of a learning environment.

Things that help are: decent books and resources, if ya got em, there are a lot more things you can do or try. If you don't got em....it really makes things hard.

I'm glad that most of my classes are better than that, tho some days I wonder.

I can sort of understand what you are saying you raise some good points. But there is still NO excuse whatsoever for that kind of behaviour. If I was a parent back home in NA I would personally kick that teacher's *ss and then have him fired. That is the worst example of classroom management I have ever seen. As a teacher you have to control what you can and at least try. That guy wasn't even trying. But I get the sense that the whole video was made just to be funny. Otherwise why would he post such a bad example? He might not even be a bad teacher.

Sody

bombenhagen

Joined: 21 Jun 2006
Location: NL

Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 7:35 am Post subject:

I'm not in korea yet, what did you guys think of the simon says video he put up? Is that an effective teaching method or is it just a way to kill a class without actually doing any work. It didn't look very educational to me.

cubanlord

Joined: 08 Jul 2005
Location: In Japan!

Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 2:03 pm Post subject:

bombenhagen wrote:

I'm not in korea yet, what did you guys think of the simon says video he put up? Is that an effective teaching method or is it just a way to kill a class without actually doing any work. It didn't look very educational to me.

When done right, it can be very effective (when teaching body parts).

bombenhagen

Joined: 21 Jun 2006
Location: NL

Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 2:37 pm Post subject:

cubanlord wrote:

bombenhagen wrote:

When done right, it can be very effective (when teaching body parts).

Thats what I was thinking. This guy seemed to switch to a game of Simon Says when the kids didn't want to talk about different foods, which I'm guessing was what he had planned to do. Interesting that this guy would see no problem of showing fellow ESLers how poorly he teaches, or how little he gives a darn Laughing

kimchi_pizza

Joined: 24 Jul 2006
Location: "Get back on the bus! Here it comes!"

Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 2:42 pm Post subject:

shameful, absolutly shameful. Why give such a moron credit by posting that on Dave's?

cubanlord

Joined: 08 Jul 2005
Location: In Japan!

Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 3:12 pm Post subject:

kimchi_pizza wrote:

shameful, absolutly shameful. Why give such a moron credit by posting that on Dave's? Rolling Eyes

I wouldn't say giving credit, rather showing what not to do in an English class. Hence, the reason for this thread.

some waygug-in

Joined: 25 Jan 2003

Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 5:19 pm Post subject:

You're right. I watched it again...it was obviously some kind of stunt. But I would venture a guess that what we see in that video is not all that uncommon in hagwan classes in Korea.

Khyron

Joined: 27 Jan 2005
Location: Japan

Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 7:05 pm Post subject:

some waygug-in wrote:

You're right. I watched it again...it was obviously some kind of stunt.

That's my opinion, considering that he's been in Korea for years.

John Henry

Joined: 24 Sep 2004

Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 7:41 pm Post subject:

Yu_Bum_suk wrote:

OMFG. If only the parents could see what they're paying for.

The funny thing is, he probably sends the kids home happy and gets no complaints (apart perhaps from having to explain the odd injury) and someone who actually tried to control those hellions would get nothing but flak.

This is absolutely true. If the teacher made them sit down and do something, the kids would all go home and say, Teacha boring! Parents would complain, wongjangnim would say, You bad teacha, why? etc.

I hate hagowns.

seoulsista

Joined: 31 Aug 2005

Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 7:58 pm Post subject:

Yu_Bum_suk wrote:

The funny thing is, he probably sends the kids home happy and gets no complaints (apart perhaps from having to explain the odd injury) and someone who actually tried to control those hellions would get nothing but flak.

My point exactly. Situations like this don't just happen because one bad teacher. He holds the primary responsibility but there is a director sitting in his office counting his money and a mother on her cell phone while all this is happening.

I have worked with teachers like this both years I was in Korea. They were the most popular teachers on our staff with the director, staff, kids and parents. Last year, "Hang-man King" as I like to refer to him got teacher of the year at the Yes Youngdo I worked at and this year the one that I worked with got all kinds of special treatment. Meanwhile, I have had numerous conversations with my past and present employer about "not giving stresses to the students or they will changie the Hagwon."

Sorry, but we aren't teachers at most hagwons, were English speaking babysitters. This guy clearly works at one that doesn't care about education at all and it taking full advantage of that situation. It's sad really.

Novernae

Joined: 02 Mar 2005

Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 2:06 am Post subject:

seoulsista wrote:

Yu_Bum_suk wrote:

Having a class under control does not mean the kids aren't having fun. In fact, we had more requests for and less complaints about our classes than our coworkers who played hangman every day. The kids appreciated the break when we played an education game every once in a while. They'd ask for one everyday coming from the other classes but abandoned that after the first few. You can keep kids occupied without letting them walk all over you.

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