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Aussiekimchi
Joined: 21 Apr 2006 Location: SYDNEY
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Posted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 6:26 pm Post subject: |
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Like most Immigration stories, there is absolutely no consistency and everyone's experiences vary.
This is because in reality, Immigration operate with the same lack of consistency.
The transcripts 3 month thing is true ...well one day it will be true the next it won't.
We did have a 5 month transcript rejected and then a few days later it was accepted. These are not rumours...they happen.
I have never read any posting from any person on this forum about Immigration that I wasn't prepared to believe. Simply because you never know what crap the offices in Korea and around the world will dish out to you each day. |
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Yu_Bum_suk

Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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Posted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 6:33 pm Post subject: |
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This time limit thing is nothing more than an attempt to control the teacher as much as possible. They do not want teachers to be able to leave contracts easily, or quickly. They are doing as much as possible in order to deter this. They don't want you to have sealed legal copies of your transcripts sitting around, ready for immediate use. Thus the 3 month rule. As far as "dated" is concerned, they're often looking for a mailing date, as I've heard.
Those of you who live here long enough (and are actually teaching here) will learn that Korea is all about control and hierarchy. Korean employees are also treated like servants, and cannot easily go from job-to-job. It's their way. If a Korean leaves a job quickly, that record follows them for the rest of their lives.
Bosses have always counted on that fact, and can easily mistreat their workers for at least a year (which is often the minimum Korean employees will put up with hell). It truly is an owner-slave mentality. Rarely will a Korean leave a job in under a year, or even two. They will endure it, just so they don't have it on their record that they left early. Bosses play this for all it's worth. Bosses even want control over that employee after they have left (release letters, recommendations, etc.). It's all about power-tripping and confucist ego.
Foriegners are different. We don't care, can get another teaching job the same day, and will quickly go elsewhere if mistreated. This disrupts the whole system, and quite frankly, is not something Koreans are mentally prepared to deal with. The realization that they don't have control over the employee is just too much for their pride to handle.
It's the same with immigration. And quite frankly, if they allowed you to come and go from jobs as you pleased, they would have to increase their staff ten-fold due to all of the sucky employers here, and people leaving.
So what is the result of all of this? We now have an estimated 20,000+ waygooks here working illegally on tourist visas. Koreans have no control over them, unless caught. Lost tax revenue, etc... all because of a big ego trip.
Way to go immigration. Perfect illustration of the flawed confucist mentality still at large.
The funny thing that you know drives them absolutely insane is the fact that they can do nothing about the illegals, unless the illegals are caught. If they do, then they know the Koreans who are richer and more powerful than they will *beep* razors, because their families will encounter visa difficulties in Canada, etc., when they begin clamping down on Koreans living/working over there. |
That is soooo true and well put. But I have to wonder, do Koreans bother to check references for Korean employees? They sure don't do it very often for foreigners.
The idea that they may have little control over us sure does irk them, though, doesn't it? |
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lastat06513
Joined: 18 Mar 2003 Location: Sensus amo Caesar , etiamnunc victus amo uni plebian
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Posted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 8:40 pm Post subject: |
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What it comes to is having ultimate control; Subordinates subserviant to Superiors.
But the sad part is that this is all brought on by public demands to control the amount of foreigners coming to work and to limit the exposure Koreans have towards foreigners within Korean boundries, especially the youth. That is to control the influence foreigners have on Koreans as to protect Korean tradition and values.
They view that if they allow an onslaught of people into the country to teach and do other jobs, they fear their way of life would become extinct, This thinking becomes more important especially now after a popular government has finally come to office after 40 years of autocratic rule came to an end in 1992. For the first time in Korean history, Koreans finally feel they have control of their own land.
So one of the first things they do is to try to kick out all the undesirables coming to Korea under the guise of teaching. Whose to blame them for doing so.
But in the same time, they risk alienating the truly qualified from working here and preventing those who want to work here.
By blocking people from working here on the cloak of various policies, Korea will get the reputation as one of the most unwelcoming places to work and set up business, and this won't help if they are trying to attract foreign investment.
And as I mentioned before in one of my other posts; The people coming to teach today might become investors or people who can become powerful lobbyists in favor of Korea later. To crap on them now would be of great disadvantage to them.
This is where the saying "Never bite the hand that helps you" come to play, because it might be Korea who will be hurt in the end... |
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hellofaniceguy

Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Location: On your computer screen!
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Posted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 11:06 pm Post subject: |
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What is wrong with korean immigration...where is their brain housing group.....up their rear ends.....they can't agree on anything.....and what is wrong with using transcripts that were already approved for the original visa? I mean...if one is renewing...common sense should be shouting....."we don't need new transcripts as you were already approved prior or something along those lines."
What happen to work smarter...not harder? |
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Louis
Joined: 17 Jan 2006 Location: USA
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Posted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 11:40 pm Post subject: |
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You better be paying your student loans then...don't pay your student loan and you can't get your transcript, at least since the mid 90's. I took student loans out between 90 and 93. I didn't pay on them for awhile and when I tried to get my transcript the university told me no way. After going around and around with them and making them show me a signed loan contract that said they could do it, they backed down. Mainly because there was nothing in the contract.
This really seems like a BS rule. |
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Wishmaster
Joined: 06 Feb 2003
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Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 3:02 am Post subject: |
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| Yes, Koreans can't accept anything...no matter how trivial...that might be a threat to them. It definitely irks them that they have absolutely no control over foreigners. If foreigners don't want to teach English because of an asshole hagwon power tripper, they can be on the next plane to Thailand....and it really pisses them off. Once you learn this, it makes you pretty cavalier in your dealings with the haggie power trippers. The main thing that I will tell you is to save, save, save money...that is your armor against some asshole that tries to impose his will on you. Once you have a sufficient amount, Korea becomes tolerable because you realize how much control and freedom YOU have... |
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John Henry
Joined: 24 Sep 2004
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Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 6:08 am Post subject: |
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The three month rule happened to me as well.
It was maybe three months ago when I changed jobs after finishing my contract. Was told that my old - certified by the Korean consulate - transcripts were no longer valid because they were too old. Completely ass-ed backwards logic, but it happened.
It was through the Busan immi office, and at a time where they had just busted a big group of uni teachers who had Kho San Road degrees. So...maybe that had something ot do with it.
But really, it makes Korea look retarted when they pull things like that. |
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lastat06513
Joined: 18 Mar 2003 Location: Sensus amo Caesar , etiamnunc victus amo uni plebian
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Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 7:38 pm Post subject: |
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Now this is between you and me (and the rest of the people on the board).
Ok, so immigrations has started a new rule that states that transcripts are to be issued no later than 3 months or else they are invalid.
And by the sound of things, some people seem to indicate that you have no date on your transcripts or at least on the envelope. This would present an opportunity rather than a hinderance.
As many of us can see, there are alot of places where you can get signature stamps made, some of them as souvenirs. Now what is to stop an enterprising young person from going to one of these places and having a date-issued stamp made, find some black ink and stamping the envelope?
Problem solved......
After living in Korea for 10 years and teaching for 6 of those years, I have found that having a work visa to have its ups and downs;
Ups- Medical insurance (easily replaced by AIG once you start making some money), pension plan (which many people won't get at all and some won't get until they leave there).
Downs- Locked-in employment (sometimes with sucky employers), still have limited rights under Korean law, and Bureaucracy at its very best- Korean style
I think that the hurdles immigrations makes people jump through is sometimes not worth the effort.
Remember, they need us, we don't need them. It is easy for us to move on to other places then it is for them to find people now. And with the new policy, it sounds like the turn-around time from application to visa-in-hand is alot longer than it was before. Trust me, they might be able to find people, but with the way institutes treat their staff, it will only be a matter of time before this steady stream of people starts to dry up. Then what will happen to Korea? |
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babtangee
Joined: 18 Dec 2004 Location: OMG! Charlie has me surrounded!
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Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 7:39 pm Post subject: |
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But really, it makes Korea look retarted when they pull things like that. |
They don't just look it, mate. |
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dogshed

Joined: 28 Apr 2006
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Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 9:36 pm Post subject: |
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You better be paying your student loans then...don't pay your student loan and you can't get your transcript, at least since the mid 90's. I took student loans out between 90 and 93. I didn't pay on them for awhile and when I tried to get my transcript the university told me no way. After going around and around with them and making them show me a signed loan contract that said they could do it, they backed down. Mainly because there was nothing in the contract.
This really seems like a BS rule. |
Is that Canadian or US? Most student loans in the US are not through the school. As long as the school was paid I can get my transcripts.
I did have one small loan that was handled by the school via a contract with a servicing agency but it was paid off in a consolidation. |
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dogshed

Joined: 28 Apr 2006
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Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 9:42 pm Post subject: 90 days |
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I found two $30 rebate checks on my desk from a year ago that said they expired in 90 days.
For giggles I deposited them at the Bank of America ATM so a teller would not see them. I figure if they are processed in batch mode the date would have a greater chance of being overlooked. So far they have not taken the money out of my account.
Not going to the teller may have helped or may not have.
What kinds of human issues effect the visa process? |
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