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Demophobe
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| The single thing that makes me feel safe is that North Korea hasn't any oil underground. |
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W.T.Carl
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| Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 12:30 pm Post subject: |
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| No, the Muslims in the US won't do a thing. If they did they what would happen to them would make what happened to the Japanese during WWII look like a picnic. It would be open season on anybody who even looked like an Arab or a Paki. It would get very ugly very quickly. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 1:56 pm Post subject: |
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Wangja's number of murder victims (30,000) looked suspicious to me. Here is what I found:
The FBI, in its 422-page document, reports that there were 15,533 murders committed in 1999, one murder every 34 minutes.
(From The Nation) |
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Wangja
Joined: 17 May 2004
Location: Seoul, Yongsan
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| Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 2:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
Wangja's number of murder victims (30,000) looked suspicious to me. Here is what I found:
The FBI, in its 422-page document, reports that there were 15,533 murders committed in 1999, one murder every 34 minutes.
(From The Nation) |
I didn't say murders. |
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bucheon bum
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| Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 2:22 pm Post subject: |
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As far as Arab or Iranian American Muslims and/or residents, I think it most unlikely that they would rise up against the United States. More likely, some of them are "sleepers." Not more than a few. But which few? |
Not Iranian Americans. Most of them came to the States due to their ties to the Shah; they're generally the Muslim version of Miami Cubans.
Lebanese shia on the other hand... There was a Hizballah cell that was arrested in North Carolina I believe for smuggling cigerettes. Their intention was to raise money for their brethern in Lebanon though and not for anything on this side of the ocean. |
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VanIslander
Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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| Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 4:29 pm Post subject: |
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'We' is not me, for the most part, but still...
Decrease the supply of terrorists a bit and increase the demand... how much?
That's the question. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 8:01 pm Post subject: |
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| W.T.Carl wrote: |
| No, the Muslims in the US won't do a thing. If they did they what would happen to them would make what happened to the Japanese during WWII look like a picnic. It would be open season on anybody who even looked like an Arab or a Paki. It would get very ugly very quickly. |
Muslims in the USA are, in fact, doing it. They just haven't been successful so far. And as far as the media has told us, they don't seem as organized. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 9:25 pm Post subject: |
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| mindmetoo wrote: |
| W.T.Carl wrote: |
| No, the Muslims in the US won't do a thing. If they did they what would happen to them would make what happened to the Japanese during WWII look like a picnic. It would be open season on anybody who even looked like an Arab or a Paki. It would get very ugly very quickly. |
Muslims in the USA are, in fact, doing it. They just haven't been successful so far. And as far as the media has told us, they don't seem as organized. |
doing what? planning terrorist attacks?? |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 11:30 pm Post subject: |
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| bucheon bum wrote: |
| mindmetoo wrote: |
| W.T.Carl wrote: |
| No, the Muslims in the US won't do a thing. If they did they what would happen to them would make what happened to the Japanese during WWII look like a picnic. It would be open season on anybody who even looked like an Arab or a Paki. It would get very ugly very quickly. |
Muslims in the USA are, in fact, doing it. They just haven't been successful so far. And as far as the media has told us, they don't seem as organized. |
doing what? planning terrorist attacks?? |
Sure.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2002/06/10/terror-arrest.htm
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.asp?ID=3321
Lot of this crap is disputable, surely. |
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Ya-ta Boy
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| Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 1:09 am Post subject: |
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| and 30,000 were shot dead in USA. |
Excuse me for misinterpreting this as 'murder'. |
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Wangja
Joined: 17 May 2004
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| Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 7:35 am Post subject: |
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ddeubel
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| Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 12:10 pm Post subject: |
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I wouldn't even touch this thread with a 10 foot cursor.............
DD |
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Gopher
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| Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 3:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Not Iranian Americans. Most of them came to the States due to their ties to the Shah; they're generally the Muslim version of Miami Cubans. |
I've heard it theorized and considered that, as whenever such a group leaves one country for such reasons and takes refuge in another, long-term sleeper agents, although very few, are almost always sent in their midst.
They may be perfect conformists for half of their lives. They may never be activated, and once activated, they may refuse. But the effort was probably made nonetheless.
I am glad you brought up the Miami Cubans, because, as you may know, Cuban Intelligence has been running espionage agents there and elsewhere in the U.S. South, particularly in or near military bases, since the very early 1960s.
It reminds us of the nature and risk in accepting and dealing with exiles and refugee communities.
So I think it is not unreasonable at all to consider and take measures to react to the possibility that there might very well be sleeper agents in the Iranian American community. |
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mindmetoo
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| Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 4:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
| bucheon bum wrote: |
| Not Iranian Americans. Most of them came to the States due to their ties to the Shah; they're generally the Muslim version of Miami Cubans. |
I've heard it theorized and considered that, as whenever such a group leaves one country for such reasons and takes refuge in another, long-term sleeper agents, although very few, are almost always sent in their midst.
They may be perfect conformists for half of their lives. They may never be activated, and once activated, they may refuse. But the effort was probably made nonetheless.
I am glad you brought up the Miami Cubans, because, as you may know, Cuban Intelligence has been running espionage agents there and elsewhere in the U.S. South, particularly in or near military bases, since the very early 1960s.
It reminds us of the nature and risk in accepting and dealing with exiles and refugee communities.
So I think it is not unreasonable at all to consider and take measures to react to the possibility that there might very well be sleeper agents in the Iranian American community. |
The great Cuban boat people wave was famous for Fidel using it to empty his jails. "Well, okay USA, if you really want our Cuban people..." |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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Try listening to a former U.S. official like Wayne Smith (see his Closest of Enemies) on the problem of trying to articulate and enforce a coherent immigration policy in Southern Florida in the face of the Cuban exile community and their behavior in said state's courthouses...
In any case, Castro was not the only one frustrated by the situation there. (And I am saying that his frustration and reaction are understandable, even if I think it was a bad move on his behalf, because although it was part humorous it was also, and very much so, part spiteful. And Carter and Reagan did not miss that part of it.
I think when you and others speak of "U.S.A." as you do above, and in general, in the entire U.S.-Cuba relationship, you are entirely missing this dynamic.
Not trying to get a confrontation going as much as I'd like you to confront one or two of your own assumptions on this issue. |
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