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periwinkle
Joined: 08 Feb 2003
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Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 10:52 pm Post subject: Do I have an attitude problem? |
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I just had this weird thing happen with a guy from another dept., and now I feel badly about it. He wanted me to help him "a little" with his powerpoint program, so I went over to his desk and it was 32 pages of powerpoint! So I asked him to e-mail it to me, because I didn't want to sit there and have him question me every time I made a correction. I hate it when people stand over my shoulder while I edit their stuff! Well, he wanted to e-mail it me through the company website, but I never use the company site cuz its all in Hangul, and my Korean's not sophisticated enough to navigate the site. Honestly, I don't even know my account, and no one ever contacts me there, anyway. I asked him to send it to my yahoo account. Easy, right? Well, he comes over again and tells me to just forget about it. I told him I could go to desk and edit it at his desk, but he said no, nevermind.
So I feel badly. I'm sure he thinks I'm unhelpful and/or lazy, but honestly, I wanted to do it the easy and efficient way. If I sat there and discussed every little correction with him, it would've taken all afternoon! I have my own work to do this afternoon, and I was just trying to be economical with my time. Arrrgh....
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seoulshock
Joined: 12 Jul 2005
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Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 11:03 pm Post subject: |
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why does he need help? is he incompetent?
but is your job to provide tech support? |
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Yu_Bum_suk

Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 11:06 pm Post subject: |
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I'm in the process of making a power-point presentation (slide-show) with my sister's friend for her wedding, and it's enough of a bugger when both people speak English, much less different languages. We were so helpless creating a soundtrack to go with it that we ended copying the music we want onto a cassete tape to play with our presentation on a ghetto-blaster.
I'd happily help any co-worker edit anything from a word-processor document, but when it comes to something that involves slides, computer formatting, and graphic editing, forget it. |
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periwinkle
Joined: 08 Feb 2003
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Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 11:10 pm Post subject: |
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| seoulshock wrote: |
why does he need help? is he incompetent?
but is your job to provide tech support? |
He just wants to be perfect and have a really good powerpoint presentation. No, its not my job to provide tech support- he was just asking a favor. My team gets asked for lots of favors. This is the second request for editing that I've gotten today from that dept. My co-worker tends to put his foot down when people ask him for editing, but as a result, he's gotten a bad reputation. Granted, people don't ask him for help, but the consequence is that people think he has an attitude problem. I really, really am concerned that the dept. will maybe see me as having an attitude problem....
Ooops, sorry- maybe I should clarify. He needed help editing the English, and its a piece of cake to do that on powerpoint. I'm thinking he didn't know how to zip the file and send it as an attachment, maybe.... I could've done that for him, but he didn't ask. Ah, hindsight~ I guess I should've asked if he wanted me to do it for him...
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poet13
Joined: 22 Jan 2006 Location: Just over there....throwing lemons.
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Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 11:15 pm Post subject: |
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| You're a terrible person. Offering to do it instead of your own work, and offering more than one way to accomplish the task wasn't enough. When your solutions failed, you should have immediately hired an outside consultant, paid for it with your own money, and performed an act of self flagellation in contrition. |
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periwinkle
Joined: 08 Feb 2003
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Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 11:20 pm Post subject: |
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| poet13 wrote: |
| You're a terrible person. Offering to do it instead of your own work, and offering more than one way to accomplish the task wasn't enough. When your solutions failed, you should have immediately hired an outside consultant, paid for it with your own money, and performed an act of self flagellation in contrition. |
He, he- thanks! I know a guy in that dept, but he's not here today (neither is my group leader, who I would normally talk to about this kind of thing), so I'll have to wait to sort it out later. I'm worried about being bad mouthed- word travels wicked fast around here. |
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red dog

Joined: 31 Oct 2004
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Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 11:22 pm Post subject: Re: Do I have an attitude problem? |
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| periwinkle wrote: |
| ... I didn't want to sit there and have him question me every time I made a correction. I hate it when people stand over my shoulder while I edit their stuff! |
Really? I've had the opposite problem at times. I like people to be accessible and work with me to improve their writing, especially if they give me something that's really unclear and needs a lot of work. (But I do prefer having files e-mailed to me too.) |
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JollyJekins

Joined: 16 Aug 2006 Location: Yorkshire Pudding
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Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 11:39 pm Post subject: Re: Do I have an attitude problem? |
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| What is your job periwinkle? I know where I work, they expect me to be on top of everything all of the time. If I said later to a coworker, I don't think it would look very good on me. Of course no one wants to do it, but it is better to improve working relationships. I find the more you do for others, the easier it is to find help when you need it. |
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Mashimaro

Joined: 31 Jan 2003 Location: location, location
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Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 11:47 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm also interested as to what kind of work you do Periwinkle. I want to do non-esl teaching work in Seoul, so I'm interested to hear from anyone doing other types of work. |
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Wrench
Joined: 07 Apr 2005
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Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:26 am Post subject: Re: Do I have an attitude problem? |
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| JollyJekins wrote: |
| What is your job periwinkle? I know where I work, they expect me to be on top of everything all of the time. If I said later to a coworker, I don't think it would look very good on me. Of course no one wants to do it, but it is better to improve working relationships. I find the more you do for others, the easier it is to find help when you need it. |
You haven't been in Korea very long have you. |
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JollyJekins

Joined: 16 Aug 2006 Location: Yorkshire Pudding
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Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:35 am Post subject: |
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| I have been here for nearly 5 months now. |
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periwinkle
Joined: 08 Feb 2003
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Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 1:14 am Post subject: |
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| Well, although I don't teach ESL, I fall into the teaching English for specific purposes category (not business English, though). My contract refers to me as a consultant, because I do whatever the company needs me to do, but its all related to English, whether its assessing English during job interviews, editing company publications, even doing voice work for on-line company study programs, and of course, teaching classes. I think if someone wants to get out of the ESL industry, you could send your resume and a cover letter off to some companies you'd like to work for. My company even has a guy that works in customer service, and he handles complaints from foreign customers. Not fun, but if you really want to get out of the ESL industry... I happened to come across this job because they advertised on English Spectrum. Worknplay also advertises some non- ESL ish jobs, and I've seen some on the Korea Herald (?- joongang daily?), but really, I think the best thing to do is to submit your resume and cover letter yourself IN PERSON, especially, to a company you'd like to work for. Regarding my interview, I'd say I was the least qualified, but apparently all the other candidates were too confident (I'm being polite), and that was a big turn-off to the interview committee.. |
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JollyJekins

Joined: 16 Aug 2006 Location: Yorkshire Pudding
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Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 1:33 am Post subject: |
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Gee periwinkle,
Sounds like that helping the guy would be in your job description. Perhaps you are just a lazy sot. You won't last very long in the business world with an attitude like that. You could help a fellow company employee with a simple 32 page powerpoint presentation. Think of the rumors he will spread about you....  |
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Mashimaro

Joined: 31 Jan 2003 Location: location, location
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Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 2:39 am Post subject: |
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| periwinkle wrote: |
| Well, although I don't teach ESL, I fall into the teaching English for specific purposes category (not business English, though). My contract refers to me as a consultant, because I do whatever the company needs me to do, but its all related to English, whether its assessing English during job interviews, editing company publications, even doing voice work for on-line company study programs, and of course, teaching classes. I think if someone wants to get out of the ESL industry, you could send your resume and a cover letter off to some companies you'd like to work for. My company even has a guy that works in customer service, and he handles complaints from foreign customers. Not fun, but if you really want to get out of the ESL industry... I happened to come across this job because they advertised on English Spectrum. Worknplay also advertises some non- ESL ish jobs, and I've seen some on the Korea Herald (?- joongang daily?), but really, I think the best thing to do is to submit your resume and cover letter yourself IN PERSON, especially, to a company you'd like to work for. Regarding my interview, I'd say I was the least qualified, but apparently all the other candidates were too confident (I'm being polite), and that was a big turn-off to the interview committee.. |
Very interesting, thanks a lot |
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Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 2:55 am Post subject: |
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I also work as a consultant on contract (as well as teach at my uni). I have been a consultant for a few years now and I got started doing this by offering my services to a company here that planned to open some offices in Canada.
I now have regular contracts (usually 2-3 months long) during the year on top of my teaching at the uni.
Peri,
I think you did not do anything wrong there. The guy probably felt you did not want to do it or that he was bothering you. Perhaps you could have just sat at his desk and fixed his pwpt with him but you felt comfortable with another way of doing things and he perceived it wrongly.
Such is life but since your job seems to be to do just what he was asking...perhaps next time you could just park yourself at his desk and correct that short pwpt doc!  |
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