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rocklee
Joined: 04 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul
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 Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 5:51 pm Post subject: Vista, DirectX10 and the future of PC gaming |
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http://blogs.technet.com/windowsvista/articles/447226.aspx
[img]http://blogs.technet.com/photos/blog_photo_gallery/images/447209/original.aspx[/img]
Hold off buying a video card until Vista and DX10 video cards come out!
Suddenly I want to get a kickass gaming system soon. |
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eamo
Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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| Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 7:32 pm Post subject: |
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| It certainly looks exciting. |
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rocklee
Joined: 04 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 10:10 pm Post subject: |
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| I always felt that playing games on the PC gave the best possible experience. The games are also more exciting. |
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Demophobe
Joined: 17 May 2004
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| Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 10:18 pm Post subject: |
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Each and every incarnation of DX has brought substantial advancements. DX 10 is looking like a real jump as well.
The new crop of cards isn't far off now (before Christmas for both ATI [r600] and Nvidia [G80], both taped out already) and it will be tragic to be running a DX9 card with Vista or the ensuing games.
I remeber seeing screenshots of HL2 in CX8 and DX9 modes. DX8 looked pathetic. |
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Wrench
Joined: 07 Apr 2005
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| Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 12:56 am Post subject: |
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I use to play the don't upgrade game wait untill next big release blah blah.
Heck most people started using dx9 not that long ago. How long do you think its gone be before they start using dx10. This futureproof stuff is bs as well. Usually first gen of anything has major flaws and problems (look at the dx9 family of cards)
Don't hold your breath remember most stuff is PR. I've been using vista beta for two months and if the release date is some where in October which they want, man vista will become known as blowupista. Its not ready, there are to many bugs still not just in the advanced options power users use but in every day UI.
All DX10 is a big ploy by ms to get everyone to buy their new OS because DX10 will never be on winxp. Guess what all the millions of people owning dx9/8 cards and windows xp aren't just going to toss everything they own in the trash for the sake of some eye candy.
IMHO games don't need any more eye candy then there is already available. Companies should really start focusing on playabilty and quality, there has been way to many games come out recently that look fantastic but suck ass because the overall quality of the game is mediocre at best. |
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Demophobe
Joined: 17 May 2004
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| Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 2:31 am Post subject: |
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| Wrench wrote: |
I use to play the don't upgrade game wait untill next big release blah blah.
Heck most people started using dx9 not that long ago. How long do you think its gone be before they start using dx10. This futureproof stuff is bs as well. Usually first gen of anything has major flaws and problems (look at the dx9 family of cards)
Don't hold your breath remember most stuff is PR. I've been using vista beta for two months and if the release date is some where in October which they want, man vista will become known as blowupista. Its not ready, there are to many bugs still not just in the advanced options power users use but in every day UI.
All DX10 is a big ploy by ms to get everyone to buy their new OS because DX10 will never be on winxp. Guess what all the millions of people owning dx9/8 cards and windows xp aren't just going to toss everything they own in the trash for the sake of some eye candy.
IMHO games don't need any more eye candy then there is already available. Companies should really start focusing on playabilty and quality, there has been way to many games come out recently that look fantastic but suck ass because the overall quality of the game is mediocre at best. |
DX9 is at least 3 years old mate. We're talking Radeon 9700!! With speed-ramp-ups in hardware, I don't play the waiting game either. But if we are talking ground-level, hardware support for the next API that will be used in 95% of all future titles for the next 3 or 4 years, that I will wait for.
Some great games have come out in the last year or so (full DX9), relying as much on the engine as the gameplay.
Let's not forget that we are jaded; not all that long ago, originality was easier to accomplish than it is today. At least in some genres, this is especially noticeable, less so in others, but a pervasive problem nonetheless. The bar has been raised so many times, it's just getting harder to do.
I am all for photo-realism in gaming. I can't wait until DX10 is mature and see what the titles will look like under it. From what I have seen so far, DX10 is a huge leap, even over DX9. Everytime MS brings forward a new version of DX, the same criticism is brought up; it's just a marketing ploy, etc... . This is easily debunked. Go back and look at some screenshots, or (as I have), play games with a DX8 card, then a DX9. The difference is night and day.
The idea they are just trying to see Vista is absurd; Vista is money in the bank. With or without a new API version, it's sold. Vista needed DX10 to run, that's true, but game devs are always ready for more tools as it helps them sell games as well. Everybody wins, except the poor people who will have bought a DX 9 card just months before DX10 came. That is their own lack of foresight, impatience or whatever. Technology will always advance, we just get tired of footing the bill.
There does have to be a balance between looks and gameplay, and I think that is being achieved to a reasonable extent. It's all about what people want. One could put together the greatest game - another HL1 - but with sub-par graphics, it just won't fly. Engines also have a huge bearing on gameplay, so the idea of one without the other is an impossibility.
The idea that companies are only looking at the graphics can only be used against the companies that make engines and games, not the ones who license the engine. PREY is one such situation. They knew what they were getting in the engine (Doom 3), so they made a pretty cool game (albeit too long) without giving any thought to the graphics. Quake 4 is another. Raven license the engine, and only need to work on gameplay.
Looking at Valve, they made a great engine (SOURCE) and a great game. Same with Id (Doom 3 engine and game), Starbreeze (Riddick engine and game) and People can Fly (PAIN engine - Painkiller)...they all made great engines and good games.
Yeah, lot of crapola games have come out as well, but when wasn't that true? For every Wolf3D, there were a host of forgettables.
I'm all for DX10. It will look really good, be around for 3 or 4 years, allowing us to get our moneys worth from our hardware, and make significant advances possible both in graphics and gameplay. |
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eamo
Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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| Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 4:05 am Post subject: |
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Of course I'm now thinking I should have waited for Vista and DX10 cards before I bought my 7900GT.......... But, I've never bought cutting edge. It's to expensive and potentially buggy. I'll do the usual and wait up to about a year before I switch to Vista and a DX10 card. Should save a lot of money that way and get a mature product. But that means going for a year knowing something cooler and better than what I'm running is out there waiting.....
Aigo.....the tortures of being into tech...... |
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Demophobe
Joined: 17 May 2004
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The only thing that may be buggy about DX10 is the software. The hardware is as good as done. Buggy hardware means a catastrophe (GeForce 5800 anyone?) and that is something that Nvidia can't have yet again, and ATI couldn't stand to hole their already precarious balance in the market.
So, it's not the cards that will be trouble (if there is any), but the DX software and the first round of games. Patch, patch, patch... |
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rocklee
Joined: 04 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 7:00 pm Post subject: |
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I think Microsoft is hoping for games to be developed on the PC platform first so that they can be ported to the XBOX. Both are essentially the same, just one of the was designed for the lounge.
The flexibility of the OS is just too huge to not develop on so to speak.
Here's a map of how big GPUs have been become because of DX :
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| DX9 is at least 3 years old mate. We're talking Radeon 9700!! |
Actually Radeon 9600 (my notebook did run Doom3 albeit a little flaky).
Here are some media sampling DX10 :
Crysis - http://youtube.com/watch?v=zlr9dvwnEus
more Crytek/Crysis - http://youtube.com/watch?v=6yrUJRcRTJY
and a 15min walkthrough -
http://youtube.com/watch?v=-3WmoyAiSCI
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