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[On the other hand]

[igotthisguitar]

[On the other hand]

This is from Andrew Sullivan's blog, dated August 16. I was unable to get the link to Murray's website to work, so quoted Sullivan quoting Murray instead. Murray's comments are in red.

[On the other hand]

Finally got the Murray link to work.

Edit:

Link removed. I'd caution people about linking to Murray's website. It seems to do wacky things to my cursor when I try. Nothing damaging, just kinda weird.

[supernick]

Good post there OTOH.

We will see how this all unfolds over the next few weeks, and I'm sure that what is uncovered was not really a serious threat.

Soon after, the airlines will be filing complaints and will seek compensation for their loses.

Would there be any crimminal convictions? I doubt it. What will probably happen is create more fear to justify the UK's and the U.S.'s war campaign and will also help to create more distain in the mouths of Britain's Islamic youths. We will also see more acts of violence in the UK between Muslims and non-Muslims.

Let's also remember what intelligence the U.S. and the UK had on Iraq, some came out of torture, but much came from a free ride. As long as they kept saying what the agencies wanted to hear, the chegues kept coming in.

[Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee]

[ddeubel]

[igotthisguitar]

[dulouz]

No Sorry, I have nothing to apologize for. You want to have a good discussion, you'll have it with me. No, I don't drool at Pavlovian cues the way you have come to expect people to.

All of the outrageous claims I made are well substantiated and are therefore not outrageous at all. You just can't stand to look at them due to your elitist mentality. You are really spoiled aren't you?

This is a racist statment - Brown people are not really human because they are actually subhuman.

This is not a racist statement.

[ddeubel]

Dulouz,

Crimes are commited by PEOPLE not colours thereof.........or religions thereof , nor bearded types thereof......

This is the civilized way of viewing things and not perpetuating stereotypes. You are stuck in the 1950s beebop, catch a black guy make him hop era............

Further, please note that statistics are controlled and manipulated by those in power. Power always has an agenda. We should be sceptical and demand they don't use statistics, gather statistics in this regard. This is not being PC but protecting the rights of all citizens in whatever nation. Blacks when they quote these statistics are wrong, whites same thing....

You are wrong and show your own "true colours"....

DD

[dulouz]

Race matters are far more complicated than anyone believes. If you want to have a good relationship, you need to have all of the wormies exposed. The denial and censorship doesn't work anymore. A process of quality improve is the key.

I have lots on my mind, perhaps too much. I have a "stuggle" if you will.

I'll examine racist stereotyping for now. I went throught he crime stats. It seems White folks are the target of violent crime including rape at a discomfortable degree. I won't post any reference, I'll let you look them up. They will all confim my arguments.

- The issue of White people not wanting Black people around.

Due to "skin color"? Not valid.
Due to violent crime statistics? - approaching valid and in some instances valid.

Are all Black men rapists? No, but if 99.999% of them were, it would be OK according to this argument.
Are the majority of Black men rapists? No, but if 49.999% of them were it would be OK according to this argument.

I tried to define rules about stereotyping. Its OK to stereotype after 50% because you are more likely to right than wrong about assumptions.

But these crime stats don't approach 50%. That leaves us down to an "allowable amount" of racially disproportionate violent crime. Now I question why the concept of "allowable amount" exists. There is something wrong with this concept and it's a raw deal for
anyone. Yet, this is my reality.

My inflammatory comments made in the earlier posts were directed at Mexicans who are embroiled in the illegal alien crisis in the US. Ellos son malo hombres.

My 50% rule applies. Confronting the aliens about the usual stuff involved in civil invasion are routinely met with "KKK" comments. Thats sleazy behavior. Very sleazy and its very common. People do not have infinite patience.

[igotthisguitar]

This almost deserves a thread of its own

Anyone surprised?

Bomb Plot �Key Player� a CIA-ISI Asset

Kurt Nimmo | August 18 2006

Leave it up to the corporate media to ignore the obvious and continue to push the original Brothers Grimm fairy tale about liquid bombers taking out jetliners because they hate our freedoms.

For instance, the chief patsy in the supposed terror plot�a plot sans any compelling evidence, or for that matter any evidence, period�Rashid Rauf, �is a close relative of Jaish-e-Mohammed leader Masood Azhar,� according to NDTV.

Not mentioned here is the fact Jaish-e-Mohammed is a creature of Pakistan�s Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI), that is to say the CIA. �During the Soviet-Afghan war of the 1980s saw the enhancement of the covert action capabilities of the ISI by the CIA,� notes the decidedly less than conspiratorial Wikipedia. �A number of officers from the ISI�s Covert Action Division received training in the US and many covert action experts of the CIA were attached to the ISI to guide it in its operations against the Soviet troops by using the Afghan Mujahideen, Islamic fundamentalists of Pakistan and Arab volunteers.�

�While collaborating in the British investigation, Pakistan�s Military Intelligence is known to have actively supported and financed the Kasmir rebel groups, which allegedly had contacts with the London bombers,� Michel Chossudovsky explained in the wake of the July 7, 2005, London bombings. �The ISI was instrumental in the creation of the militant Jammu and Kashmir Hizbul Mujahideen (JKHM) in the late 1980s. (See K. Subrahmanyam, �Pakistan is Pursuing Asian Goals�, India Abroad, 3 November 1995).

It has also supported the other two main Pakistan-based Kashmir rebel groups, Lashkar-e-Taiba, (Army of the Pure) and Jaish-e-Muhammad (Army of Mohammed), which claimed responsibility for the attacks on the Indian parliament in October 2001�. Moreover, according to intelligence sources and the FBI, the ISI also provided support to the alleged 9/11 hijackers.�

Naturally, in order to portray Rauf in an even more sinister light, we are told he �deserted� the ISI Kashmir operation �and joined Al Qaeda,� according to Hafiz Allah Bukhsh, the father of Jaish-e-Mohammed leader Masood Azhar. In effect, this may be viewed as a lateral promotion, as al-Qaeda is an ISI-CIA collaborative project as well, even though Jaish-e-Mohammed and al-Qaeda are portrayed as "rivals".

In an effort to insert distance between Pakistan�s thug leader Pervez Musharraf�installed after the ISI decided the former thug-in-residence, Brig Imtiaz, had to go�and the ISI created and nurtured militant groups in Kashmir, the corporate media reported Musharraf �banned several militant groups, including Jaish, in 2002? and as a result some �groups splintered and transformed after the ban and some members left to join Al Qaeda, experts say,� reports the International Herald Tribune.

�Pakistani intelligence officials say Rauf was arrested in Bahawalpur on Aug. 9, just hours before British police detained 24 people suspected of being part of a plot to blow up passenger planes bound for the United States,� the IHT explains. �Because of the Bahawalpur connection, suspicions in the airline bomb plot inevitably fell on Jaish and affiliated militant organizations like Jamaat-ul-Furqa, although Pakistani officials were quick to identify Rauf as a member of Al Qaeda.�

In short, Pakistan is attempting to divert attention from its pet project in Kashmir, aimed at India�s occupation of the Jammu and Kashmir and Ladakh region. As well, shifting attention away from Jaish-e-Mohammed to al-Qaeda takes heat off the cozy relationship between the ISI and the CIA, not that the corporate media can be expected to highlight such well-established connections.

Once again, it is transparently obvious the latest supposed terrorist threat was concocted by the usual suspects, the intelligence apparatus in the United States and Britain, expressly devised to ram through yet more draconian legislation�to wit, a further undermining of the Bill of Rights, as Chertoff recently suggested (increased surveillance and longer detention of citizens without formal charge), a cynical ploy to rob Americans of their birthright, as the fascist elite has decided they can no longer tolerate constitutional law, a tradition stretching back to Magna Carta.

[happeningthang]