Korean Job Discussion Forums

[Gwangjuboy]

A criminal conviction should not bar someone from teaching unless that conviction is a child sex offence. Someone with an ancient conviction for theft would pose no more of a threat to children than anyone with a clean record. I think teachers should be compelled to disclose any child sex related convictions, but other offences where there is a large time gap between when the offence took place and job application should be spared from doing so. A certificate showing that you are not currently wanted by the police for any offence would also be a good idea. In Canada after 10 years you can apply for a full pardon. That's in stark contrast to the US where your record remains for life and any old Joe Blow can check it online. (very police state like if you ask me)

[Canuckophile]

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Canuckophile,

there are no reasons to take an argument to personal attacks. calling me a twisted individual for stating what I believe is correct based on what I have read on the subject is not called for.

See below.

And I stand by what I have said earlier. All people who commit crimes have an opportunity never to commit such crimes again. Yes, the recividism rate is higher among some sex crimes especially pedophilia, but that doesn't mean you use the same brush on everyone. I believe we should never lump everyone into the same corral.

Apparently you do not believe that it is important to protect children's safety - just the (hopefully "reformed") pedophile's right to employment???? I'd say this is a twisted outlook.

And the reason pedophilia can't be "cured" is because it is a sexual orientation. I'm a heterosexual and you can't turn me into a homosexual with a million hours of counseling - nor can you turn homosexuals into heterosexuals (that's been tried; ask most gays over 40 or 50 who went to years of "therapy"). There is no "cure" for something that's wired into us - apparently in utero, from all the latest studies.

Also, this is a very emotionally charged issue, and has been for hundreds of years. That is why accusing someone of such a crime can ruin a person's life, even if he is never convicted. Some girls have used the "I'll cry rape if I don't get something from you" very effectively. Even movies have shown this as 'cute' sometimes. There are ALWAYS two sides to a story.

Of course it's an "emotionally charged" issue. Thanks for stating the obvious.

If you've read the news reports even with a tiny bit of care, you would notice that Karr has CONFESSED to the murder of JonBenet. Now it appears that the confession is fallacious (he seems to be a nutcase, at the very least, and also a pedophile) , but when you say "why accusing someone of such a crime can ruin a person's life" it makes no sense at all in this context.

And I'd rather accuse one person wrongly (and see them tried and exonerated) than see others victimizing children because people weren't 1000% sure they were guilty, or were uncomfortable taking action. (A male elementary school teacher in China has been convicted of raping something like 20-40 girls - the number was astounding - because only ONE came forward to press charges. My cynical guess is that many of the girls did in fact tell their parents, but he got away with "paying them off", w hich is also typical of sex crimes in Korea and much of Asia. The man has little fear of prosecution and the parents make a tidy profit off their daughter's rape. What a sick system.)

The issue of women (even teenage girls) crying "rape" has nothing to do with this discussion of pedophilia. The very young children who are often targeted by pedophiles would likely not even know the word. You are simply avoiding the subject here.

And anyway, being wrongly accused of something is part of the risk we take in life - we can be unjustly accused of anything from speeding to shoplifting to murder - but at least the US system of justice is Innocent Until Proven Guilty.

I'm a bit bothered by your protesting so much on this.

Giving someone a "second chance" is one thing - but it need not be in the same area that caused the problem in the first place. If your brother was the driver in a DUI case in which 5 people died, would you suggest he look for a new career - as a bus driver???? No, and most of us wouldn't want to ride on that bus either. Studies of pedophiles show quite clearly that proximity to children is THE key triggering factor - and of course the availability of kiddie porn on the internet also sets them off big time.

It may be more than a bit difficult to keep anyone away from the internet these days, but why should a pedophile be working in/near/around/with children? Again, yes, I think it is "TWISTED" thinking on your part to think that a pedophile's right of employment supersedes a child's right to safety. Have you ever heard the phrase "fox guarding the henhouse????"

[Canuckophile]

Interesting op-ed piece in New York Times on Thailand's draw for pedophiles/ or generally what the Thai regard as "sex obsessed" foreigners.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/19/opinion/19burdett.html?ex=1156219200&en=a001d336c177c06b&ei=5070

[ajuma]

It's very simple to check if someone is a sex offender:

http://www.nsopr.gov/

Of course this doesn't guarantee that the teacher that is hired ISN'T one, but at least a boss will know that the person is NOT on the list.

[Canuckophile]

Interesting that a quick CA search for John Karr shows 0 matches.

These systems aren't at all reliable unfortunately.

BTW his resume has been removed from the internet - I wouldn't be surprised if the recruiter isn't in hiding .

[rawiri]

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Remember a few years back when the three year degree was suddenly declared no longer valid to teach in Korea. Only people with a four year degree could get an E-2 visa? quote]



This is strange, In new zealand and australia a run of the mill (ba/bcom...etc) takes three years. So we would need a masters to teach in a hagwon or what?

[mindmetoo]

[TheUrbanMyth]

[TheUrbanMyth]

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