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Doogie
Joined: 19 Jan 2006
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Well we have different ideas what a role model is then.
I do not think pro athletes should be portrayed as role models at all. It is not their role or place.
Tiger plays a rich mans sport and makes most of his money off of endorsement contracts.
He is also tempermental and demeaning to media at times. Sure he is not as abrasive and toxic as Barry Bonds but he is still a golfer. |
Tiger may be playing a rich man's sport but he grew up playing on public golf courses. His parents didn't have a lot of money. Also, don't forget that his foundation (Tiger Woods Foundation) raises millions every year to help poor kids throughout the U.S. get a better education and a better life. I think that's a great role model. |
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skinhead
Joined: 11 Jun 2004
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| Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 5:13 pm Post subject: |
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The Don
Bradman
by Paul Kelly
Sydney, 1926, this is the story of a man
Just a kid in from the sticks, just a kid with a plan
St George took a gamble, played him in first grade
Pretty soon that young man showed them how to flash the blade
And at the age of nineteen he was playing for the State
From Adelaide to Brisbane the runs did not abate
He hit 'em hard, he hit 'em straight
He was more than just a batsman
He was something like a tide
He was more than just one man
He could take on any side
They always came for Bradman 'cause fortune used to hide in the palm of his hand
A team came out from England
Wally Hammond wore his felt hat like a chief
All through the summer of '28, '29 they gave the greencaps no relief
Some reputations came to grief
They say the darkest hour is right before the dawn
And in the hour of greatest slaughter the great avenger is being born
But who then could have seen the shape of things to come
In Bradman's first test he went for eighteen and for one
They dropped him like a gun
Now big Maurice Tate was the trickiest of them all
And a man with a wisecracking habit
But there's one crack that won't stop ringing in his ears
"Hey Whitey, that's my rabbit"
Bradman never forgot it
He was more than just a batsman
He was something like a tide
He was more than just one man
He could take on any side
They always came for Bradman 'cause fortune used to hide in the palm of his hand
England 1930 and the seed burst into flower
All of Jackson's grace failed him, it was Bradman was the power
He murdered them in Yorkshire,he danced for them in Kent
He laughed at them in Leicestershire, Leeds was an event
Three hundred runs he took and rewrote all the books
That really knocked those gents
The critics could not comprehend this nonchalant phenomenon
"Why this man is a machine," they said. "Even his friends say he isn't human"
Even friends have to cut something
He was more than just a batsman
He was something like a tide
He was more than just one man
He could take on any side
They always came for Bradman 'cause fortune used to hide in the palm of his hand
Summer 1932 and Captain Douglas had a plan
When Larwood bowled to Bradman it was more than man to man
And staid Adelaide nearly boiled over as rage ruled over sense
When Oldfield hit the ground they nearly jumped the fence
Now Bill Woodill was as fine a man as ever went to wicket
And the bruises on his body that day showed that he could stick it
But to this day he's still quoted and only he could wear it
"There's two teams out there today and only one of them's playing cricket."
He was longer than a memory, bigger than a town
He feet they used to sparkle and he always kept them on the ground
Fathers took their sons who never lost the sound of the roar of the grandstand
Now shadows they grow longer and there's so much more yet to be told
But we're not getting any younger, so let the part tell the whole
Now the players all wear colours, the circus is in town
I can no longer go down there, down to that sacred ground
He was more than just a batsman
He was something like a tide
He was more than just one man
He could take on any side
They always came for Bradman 'cause fortune used to hide in the palm of his hand
The Ashes are on again in 3 months, Poms. Rally round the scoreboard and watch the English wickets tumble. |
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inspector gadget
Joined: 11 Apr 2003
Location: jeollanam-do in the boonies
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| Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 6:15 pm Post subject: |
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Tiger is both a sports icon and a role model, one of the biggest ever in either catagory.
As one poster above stated the guy gives back to the community big time, the tiger woods foundation along with numerous other charitable gigs really do assist the less fortunate. To this day in his career he is likely one of the largest contributor to charitable foundations.
He is the most recognized athlete since Michael Jordan, due to his chosen sport of golf he can likely remain at the top for 20 more years and then there is the champions tour.
i think he will become the greatest sports icon in years to come, he is also a great role model for kids. |
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jinju
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| Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 6:20 pm Post subject: |
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MJ is still the greatest sports icon and will be for a long, long time. Who else is recognized simply by his initials or his silhouette? |
MJ was a piece of shit. People bag on Tiger because he is sponsored by Nike? Nike OWNED MJ. Nike MADE MJ. Without Nike he would have been nothing. A 2nd rate ball player. *beep* that piece of trash. |
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Tiberious aka Sparkles
Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Location: I'm one cool cat!
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| Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 6:46 pm Post subject: |
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| jinju wrote: |
| A 2nd rate ball player. |
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Mitch Comestein
Joined: 13 Jun 2006
Location: South
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| Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 7:34 pm Post subject: |
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| MJ was a piece of *beep*. People bag on Tiger because he is sponsored by Nike? Nike OWNED MJ. Nike MADE MJ. Without Nike he would have been nothing. A 2nd rate ball player. *beep* that piece of trash. |
You're a moron. Mike made MJ? Hahahahahahahaha! 
Try "MJ made Nike." "MJ owned Nike." No person has ever dominated their sport like Jordan did in the NBA. Second rate ball-player? You obviously have no idea what you are talking about.
Oh, that's right. You don't need to. You're trolling.
Count the rings, bee-atch. |
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huffdaddy
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| Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 7:39 pm Post subject: |
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| jinju wrote: |
| Nike OWNED MJ. Nike MADE MJ. Without Nike he would have been nothing. A 2nd rate ball player. |
Totally. It was all about the shoes. |
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numazawa
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Location: The Concrete Barnyard
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| Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 7:57 pm Post subject: |
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| jinju wrote: |
| Nike OWNED MJ. Nike MADE MJ. Without Nike he would have been nothing. A 2nd rate ball player. |
Totally. It was all about the shoes. |
I'm with you guys. Did you see that commercial they made where they had him jump, what, 50 feet in the air to dunk a shot? I say there's no way he's gonna do that with regular shoes. No way. |
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happeningthang
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| Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 10:31 pm Post subject: |
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I don't want to take anything from what Ali did inside the ring, but didn't the man have 4 wives, plus numerous kids out of wedlock? Personality and social conscience, my a$$. |
I wasn't aware of that, but he supported and still raised all these kids, right? I don't think it detracts from his achievements in and out of the ring.
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Don't forget draft dodger. Definitely not a role model. Sports icon? I guess so. |
And this was one of them... you say draft dodger, I say conscientious objector - he went to jail for his belief. Standing by your convictions is something I want to teach my kids. |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 10:39 pm Post subject: |
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Draft dodgers were the guys like Bush, who got daddy to get them out of going to nam. And look at him, he got elected President. Or the guys who fucked off to canada and hid there. Ali paid a price for not going, he never ran away from that price.
But why the hell should a North American be the "icon"? Pele? Platini? Senna? Prost? Schumacher? Lots of icons in the world. |
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JLarter
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Heck, Senna died doing what he loved.
Legend. |
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Doogie
Joined: 19 Jan 2006
Location: Hwaseong City
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| Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 11:25 pm Post subject: |
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| inspector gadget wrote: |
Tiger is both a sports icon and a role model, one of the biggest ever in either catagory.
As one poster above stated the guy gives back to the community big time, the tiger woods foundation along with numerous other charitable gigs really do assist the less fortunate. To this day in his career he is likely one of the largest contributor to charitable foundations.
He is the most recognized athlete since Michael Jordan, due to his chosen sport of golf he can likely remain at the top for 20 more years and then there is the champions tour.
i think he will become the greatest sports icon in years to come, he is also a great role model for kids. |
I also think he may become the greatest sports icon ever. Imagine if he continues to have the same impact over the next 10 years? As great as he is, I think he would have to do it for another 10 years to eclipse the likes of Pele, Gretzky and Jordan. The scary part is that golfers only come into their prime in their early 30's. He may be only just getting started. |
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flakfizer
Joined: 12 Nov 2004
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| Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 11:57 pm Post subject: |
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I'll still go with MJ. When I first came to Korea, all the boys wanted to be named "Michael" or "Jordan." I've yet to have a student ask to be named "Tiger" or "Woods." How many kids dream to "be like Mike?" How many dream to be like Tiger? Look, if we were talking about a music icon, would we mention Elvis or Pavarotti? Pava may be more talented, but what do you suppose the ratio is of boys who want to be rock stars vs. boys who want to be opera singers? A golfer, like an opera singer, can't overcome the limited appeal of their sport/genre to become the greatest icon of their field. The greatest sports icon has to come from a sport with more appeal like soccer or basketball. I myself didn't realize how big MJ was until I came to Korea and read about his reception in China.
http://insider.espn.go.com/proxy/proxy.dll/insider/magazine/story?id=1826127&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fproxy%2fproxy.dll%2finsider%2fmagazine%2fstory%3fid%3d1826127
If people argue Pele or Ali, I can understand those two. But Tiger? Please. He's great. He wins, but there's nothing to him. I like this ad:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBxcunGc_nA Every move in that ad is recognizably Jordanesque though performed by others. The guy left such a mark on his sport, not simply by winning, but by his style of play. |
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happeningthang
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rawiri
Joined: 01 Jun 2003
Location: Lovely day for a fire drill.
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| Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 1:52 am Post subject: |
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They are all great videos, I found pele's to be the most inspirational. Calling golf girly and boring is pretty harsh, hitting a golf ball 300 meters on the fly within a 20 meter landing zone to me is pretty friggin impressive, as are deft touches round the green such as the one on that video.
One question, where are all the white boys in this equation?
Ohh thats right, theres always "beckham" i mean scoring posh has to put him into some kind of iconic status doesn't it? |
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