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daskalos



Joined: 19 May 2006
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 26, 2006 9:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ddeubel wrote:
Why didn't he just post Gaarder's editorial????? This would have been much more insightful than the rest...

DD


Maybe because s/he wanted to write what s/he thought, referencing the Gaarder article for anyone interested enough to search for and read it. I did. It was not, by the way, insightful. It was the shrill and emotional, unexamined reaction of someone who believes too much of what he's fed by people too willing to feed it to him.
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ddeubel



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 26, 2006 10:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Maybe because s/he wanted to write what s/he thought, referencing the Gaarder article for anyone interested enough to search for and read it. I did.


The article, what was written in the OP's post, was not his/her own words...........they were an excerpt of a blogger and one with a terrible and spiteful agenda. I'd of rather heard from the fairminded than those who are just into labeling and spreading hate.

Of course though, you are correct, this is probably by default, what he/she thought.....BJWD that is.

DD
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thepeel



Joined: 08 Aug 2004

PostPosted: Sat Aug 26, 2006 5:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yup, a horrible agenda of keeping people safe, and culture intact in his home country.

Even if he is frothing at the mouth with hatred for muslims, that doesn't make what he says necessarily untrue. If muslims are raping women who are non muslim to a wildly disproportionate amount then this must be discussed. Right DD? Rape is a bad thing right?

Which is worse? The rape of a woman or an honest and informed challenge to multiculturalism? Be honest. If racism is the highest sin to the leftist, and rape second, what does a good leftist do when a brown man rapes a white woman and is accused by a white man. I think we already know... The leftist will say the white man either 1) has an 'agenda' or 2) is a racist.

If it were Christian Americans who were raping Muslim women I'm sure that DD and his blind ilk would then take an interest in the subject.

Either way, every time a muslim does something stupid in the West more Western people are willing to toss aside the label of racist that will be invariably be thrown at them by people like DD (who only seems able to use the racist attack, and nothing else) and defend their culture and people. The idea that this is the calm before the storm is correct and quite elementary. Do people actually believe that Westerners won't fight back to defend their culture? Maybe girly-men Swedes won't --the feminists have feminized them too much-- but sure as hell Canadians/Australians/Brits and those evil gun toting Americans will.

Multiculturalism, and the lies that sustain her (all cultures are of equal value) is growing old or is already dead and the new idea that will replace her has yet to be born.

If we were really being honest and not just protecting a dated and dangerous idea (multiculturalism) we would instead be thinking of what is going to replace our current secular religion.

Anyhow, I'm willing to admit that I'm wrong if I am presented with evidence to the contrary of what I believe. Yata, did you find any?
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ddeubel



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 26, 2006 6:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Once again I will repeat for someone like you and all the other paint by number blockheads....

Colours, religions don't rape. People do......of all colours and persuasions, no more or no less....

You're colouring in of the details is wrong.

I think rape is horrible and every culture has a terrible problem vis a vis women and their terrible position within it............I would recommend a few books on the subject of wife battery etc....America and in the world.....Sam Hamill especially. But then it isn't about dealing with this issue but rather trying to portrait a whole culture as "x" "y' or "z" but mostly, "beastial" and non human...............

Sorry you are wrong.

DD

PS. and Swedish men aren't "girlie" == I think you got that notion from the same place your other misplaced notions are......Sweden actually has a very serious problem of its own with alcholism and wife battery...
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thepeel



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 26, 2006 6:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And do they all rape to exactly the same proportion?

Camon, DD, wake up. Muslims are not assimilating. What to do?

Indians, Chinese, Koreans and Africans (provided they are christian) do quite fine, generally, when moving to the West. Muslims cause problems, generally, everywhere they settle and have since they rode their camels out of Arabia.

If you are like me, which you likely aren't, and truly value what I hope are Western values of tolerance towards sexual minorities, women and ethnic minorities along with freedom of expression and action, then we have to at least consider that allowing 2nd century thugs to settle in our countries can perhaps set us back a few decades. I understand the contradiction of saying that we must tolerate ethnic minorities as a value, and then saying "all Muslims out". But if the Muslims are busy tearing down the system then we should at least consider it. No?

I am a liberal, in the true sense of the word. I value freedom for all. But we must be careful that we don't tolerate their intolerance and violence.
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ddeubel



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 26, 2006 6:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BJWD,

I will ask you just two questions.

1: What do you mean by "assimilate". Drive a SUV and spit tabacco? Or rather, live free to be who they are so long as they don't transgress the values (ie. read laws, immutable laws" here) ?

2: Is it or is it not true that Muslims have one of the lowest crime rates in the United States?

DD
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thepeel



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 26, 2006 6:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ddeubel wrote:
BJWD,

I will ask you just two questions.

1: What do you mean by "assimilate". Drive a SUV and spit tabacco? Or rather, live free to be who they are so long as they don't transgress the values (ie. read laws, immutable laws" here) ?

2: Is it or is it not true that Muslims have one of the lowest crime rates in the United States?

DD


1) I ride the subway or my bike, you arrogant *beep*. And I neither smoke nor spit tobacco. And yes, live free and let those around them live free and without fear. Do you think that your typical Muslim shares our (meaning you and me dd) values towards women and homosexuals?

2) Compared with, what, blacks? Yeah, I would assume that it is lower. Compared with Buddhist? I doubt it. Compared with Christians I don't know. But that isn't the point, dude. The point is that they, or some of 'they' are tearing down the system in the minds of the masses (did you see the poll of Brits who think Islam is a threat?). We are ending our experiment with tolerance by tolerating their intolerance.

3) And besides, Americans aren't having the problems day-to-day that the supposedly "multicultural" Euros are. They value their culture. Europeans tend to be ashamed of theirs.
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On the other hand



Joined: 19 Apr 2003
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 26, 2006 7:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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2) Compared with, what, blacks? Yeah, I would assume that it is lower. Compared with Buddhist? I doubt it. Compared with Christians I don't know.


So, "black" is a completely separate category from Muslim, Buddhist, and Christian?
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thepeel



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 26, 2006 7:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

On the other hand wrote:
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2) Compared with, what, blacks? Yeah, I would assume that it is lower. Compared with Buddhist? I doubt it. Compared with Christians I don't know.


So, "black" is a completely separate category from Muslim, Buddhist, and Christian?


Ahh, got me! I guess we can now ignore my larger point.

However DD wants to make the groups is fine with me. Though it really doesn't matter.
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On the other hand



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 26, 2006 7:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ddeubel wrote:

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1: What do you mean by "assimilate". Drive a SUV and spit tabacco? Or rather, live free to be who they are so long as they don't transgress the values (ie. read laws, immutable laws" here) ?


Gotta say, DD. That was pretty weak. As I've tried to point out to you before, no one is really buying your "euro-sophisticate enlightening the hicks" routine, so maybe it's time to find some new material, hmm?

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2: Is it or is it not true that Muslims have one of the lowest crime rates in the United States?


Much better. Straight to the point, and relevant.
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thepeel



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 26, 2006 7:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is it not true that Muslims have among the highest crime rates in Europe?
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