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seoulunitarian
Joined: 06 Jul 2004
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 Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 11:11 pm Post subject: Spiritually Hungry? |
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Hi All,
Is anyone else starved for spiritual fellowship of any kind? I am sitting here thinking of the last three years in Korea, and how hard it is to find a spiritually satisfying group of people to share life with. Whatever spiritual food I get, it is always a bit of the sacred profane - glimpses of God in the everday situation. When these occur, they are amazing; however, I would love to get together with some people and just talk about faith, life, journeys, etc. Labels do not matter. If you are in the same boat, please email or PM me.
Peace & Blessings,
Daniel |
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Qinella
Joined: 25 Feb 2005
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| Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 11:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Are you open to discussing the concept of "glimpses of God in everyday situations"? I'm curious what you mean by that. I'm not trying to bait you; just wanna know if you can explain that. |
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seoulunitarian
Joined: 06 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 11:27 pm Post subject: re: |
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| Are you open to discussing the concept of "glimpses of God in everyday situations"? I'm curious what you mean by that. I'm not trying to bait you; just wanna know if you can explain that. |
I am interested in discussing anything and everything as long as it doesn't turn into a debate. And I would prefer face to face. But, by "glimpses of God in everyday situations", examples of what I mean are: a pedestrian who stops to help another in need, a student who takes pride in work well done, sexual intercourse with my lover, etc.
Peace & Blessings,
Daniel |
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magicwolfman
Joined: 01 Sep 2005
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| Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 11:31 pm Post subject: Re: Spiritually Hungry? |
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| seoulunitarian wrote: |
Hi All,
Is anyone else starved for spiritual fellowship of any kind? I am sitting here thinking of the last three years in Korea, and how hard it is to find a spiritually satisfying group of people to share life with. Whatever spiritual food I get, it is always a bit of the sacred profane - glimpses of God in the everday situation. When these occur, they are amazing; however, I would love to get together with some people and just talk about faith, life, journeys, etc. Labels do not matter. If you are in the same boat, please email or PM me.
Peace & Blessings,
Daniel |
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And I would prefer face to face. |
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sexual intercourse with my lover, etc.
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I dont think many are going to be too receptive to what you are selling bub. |
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seoulunitarian
Joined: 06 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 11:35 pm Post subject: Re: Spiritually Hungry? |
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| magicwolfman wrote: |
| seoulunitarian wrote: |
Hi All,
Is anyone else starved for spiritual fellowship of any kind? I am sitting here thinking of the last three years in Korea, and how hard it is to find a spiritually satisfying group of people to share life with. Whatever spiritual food I get, it is always a bit of the sacred profane - glimpses of God in the everday situation. When these occur, they are amazing; however, I would love to get together with some people and just talk about faith, life, journeys, etc. Labels do not matter. If you are in the same boat, please email or PM me.
Peace & Blessings,
Daniel |
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And I would prefer face to face. |
| seoulunitarian wrote: |
sexual intercourse with my lover, etc.
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I dont think many are going to be too receptive to what you are selling bub. |
 Men have nothing to worry about. I love my partner, and wouldn't begin to think of doing anything to jeopardize that. BTW, nice cut and paste job to take my words totally out of context 
Peace & Blessings,
Daniel Payne |
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Qinella
Joined: 25 Feb 2005
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| Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 11:40 pm Post subject: Re: re: |
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| seoulunitarian wrote: |
| Qinella wrote: |
| Are you open to discussing the concept of "glimpses of God in everyday situations"? I'm curious what you mean by that. I'm not trying to bait you; just wanna know if you can explain that. |
I am interested in discussing anything and everything as long as it doesn't turn into a debate. And I would prefer face to face. But, by "glimpses of God in everyday situations", examples of what I mean are: a pedestrian who stops to help another in need, a student who takes pride in work well done, sexual intercourse with my lover, etc.
Peace & Blessings,
Daniel |
That was a fast response. Nah, I'm not trying to debate you, because people can believe whatever they want, but I like trying to understand. What I'm more curious about isn't so much the examples of acts you described, but rather the language used. In other words, how are these things glimpses of God? Does God exist in only certain actions or objects/people? Or do you mean that these things allow us to better understand God? Or something else entirely?
I assume you are a unitarian (just a wild guess!), and that you aren't working from the Judeo-Chrislamic understanding of God. More of a non-sentient being, you'd say?
Cheers,
Q. |
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pastis
Joined: 20 Jun 2006
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| Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 11:43 pm Post subject: |
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| seoulunitarian wrote: |
| I am interested in discussing anything and everything as long as it doesn't turn into a debate |
| seoulunitarian wrote: |
| Is anyone else starved for spiritual fellowship of any kind? |
Really no. I don't get what you mean.
Have you gotten laid recently? Seriously, I'm not taking the piss. If you're feeling "spiritually" glum, as you say, and just can't figure out what the matter is, then that's likely it. What it all *boils down to*, as it were. Best of luck! |
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seoulunitarian
Joined: 06 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 12:46 am Post subject: Re: re: |
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| Qinella wrote: |
| seoulunitarian wrote: |
| Qinella wrote: |
| Are you open to discussing the concept of "glimpses of God in everyday situations"? I'm curious what you mean by that. I'm not trying to bait you; just wanna know if you can explain that. |
I am interested in discussing anything and everything as long as it doesn't turn into a debate. And I would prefer face to face. But, by "glimpses of God in everyday situations", examples of what I mean are: a pedestrian who stops to help another in need, a student who takes pride in work well done, sexual intercourse with my lover, etc.
Peace & Blessings,
Daniel |
That was a fast response. Nah, I'm not trying to debate you, because people can believe whatever they want, but I like trying to understand. What I'm more curious about isn't so much the examples of acts you described, but rather the language used. In other words, how are these things glimpses of God? Does God exist in only certain actions or objects/people? Or do you mean that these things allow us to better understand God? Or something else entirely?
I assume you are a unitarian (just a wild guess!), and that you aren't working from the Judeo-Chrislamic understanding of God. More of a non-sentient being, you'd say?
Cheers,
Q. |
Everything I say should be prefaced with the knowledge that faith and spirituality are subjective. It's not my intent to prove anything. Just to experience It, and to join in others' experience of It. To me these things are glimpses of God, because everything good is part of God. Sometimes I miss out on seeing those things, and sometimes they are abundantly clear. I am not a pantheist (though I have journeyed through that philosophy), so I do not believe everything is God. I believe God is a separate, distinct entity. However, I also revel in the experience of His/Her self-revelation through certain events and people. These may be very different to me than they are to you.
Despite my screen name, I am not a Unitarian. I used to attend a Unitarian congregation. Like I said in my initial post, I really don't care for labels. I love God as I know Him/Her; I love the Christ of faith (sometimes different from the one of history). I dislike modernist "hard cold fact=truth" thinking. God can only be wrapped in a certain amount of mystery to truly remain God. Does this clarify or muddy the waters?
Peace & Blessings,
Daniel |
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seoulunitarian
Joined: 06 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 12:50 am Post subject: re: |
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| pastis wrote: |
| seoulunitarian wrote: |
| I am interested in discussing anything and everything as long as it doesn't turn into a debate |
| seoulunitarian wrote: |
| Is anyone else starved for spiritual fellowship of any kind? |
Really no. I don't get what you mean.
Have you gotten laid recently? Seriously, I'm not taking the piss. If you're feeling "spiritually" glum, as you say, and just can't figure out what the matter is, then that's likely it. What it all *boils down to*, as it were. Best of luck! |
Hi Pastis,
Did you read my second post? Getting laid is part of my sacred-in-the-profane experience. I "get laid" three-four times a week, and honestly, that's when I most profoundly experience God. The issue is not that I never have spiritual experiences. It's that community is lacking in which to verbally share these experiences with others on a journey (ESLCafe not being the ideal place to do that).
Peace & Blessings,
Daniel |
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pastis
Joined: 20 Jun 2006
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| Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 1:09 am Post subject: Re: re: |
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| seoulunitarian wrote: |
| pastis wrote: |
| seoulunitarian wrote: |
| I am interested in discussing anything and everything as long as it doesn't turn into a debate |
| seoulunitarian wrote: |
| Is anyone else starved for spiritual fellowship of any kind? |
Really no. I don't get what you mean.
Have you gotten laid recently? Seriously, I'm not taking the piss. If you're feeling "spiritually" glum, as you say, and just can't figure out what the matter is, then that's likely it. What it all *boils down to*, as it were. Best of luck! |
Hi Pastis,
Did you read my second post? Getting laid is part of my sacred-in-the-profane experience. I "get laid" three-four times a week, and honestly, that's when I most profoundly experience God. The issue is not that I never have spiritual experiences. It's that community is lacking in which to verbally share these experiences with others on a journey (ESLCafe not being the ideal place to do that).
Peace & Blessings,
Daniel |
Have you tried watching porn before (or perhaps while) getting laid? You know, to give yourself a little "inspiration". Or tried something randomly debaucherous, and reckless even, to mix it up a tad? You'd be amazed... Still not sure I get the "community" thing...  you mean an orgy perhaps??? In that case, watch out for HIV, that's a real bummer nowadays...
If I've misunderstood your position could you kindly re-state it in a more detailed and elaborate form? Cheers in advance. |
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seoulunitarian
Joined: 06 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 1:16 am Post subject: Re: re: |
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| pastis wrote: |
| seoulunitarian wrote: |
| pastis wrote: |
| seoulunitarian wrote: |
| I am interested in discussing anything and everything as long as it doesn't turn into a debate |
| seoulunitarian wrote: |
| Is anyone else starved for spiritual fellowship of any kind? |
Really no. I don't get what you mean.
Have you gotten laid recently? Seriously, I'm not taking the piss. If you're feeling "spiritually" glum, as you say, and just can't figure out what the matter is, then that's likely it. What it all *boils down to*, as it were. Best of luck! |
Hi Pastis,
Did you read my second post? Getting laid is part of my sacred-in-the-profane experience. I "get laid" three-four times a week, and honestly, that's when I most profoundly experience God. The issue is not that I never have spiritual experiences. It's that community is lacking in which to verbally share these experiences with others on a journey (ESLCafe not being the ideal place to do that).
Peace & Blessings,
Daniel |
Have you tried watching porn before (or perhaps while) getting laid? You know, to give yourself a little "inspiration". Or tried something randomly debaucherous, and reckless even, to mix it up a tad? You'd be amazed... Still not sure I get the "community" thing... you mean an orgy perhaps??? In that case, watch out for HIV, that's a real bummer nowadays...
If I've misunderstood your position could you kindly re-state it in a more detailed and elaborate form? Cheers in advance. |
Dear Pastis,
I trust you know the community I'm looking for has nothing to do with your suggestion.
Peace & Blessings,
Daniel |
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pastis
Joined: 20 Jun 2006
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| Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 1:24 am Post subject: |
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flotsam
Joined: 28 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 3:13 am Post subject: Re: re: |
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| seoulunitarian wrote: |
Despite my screen name, I am not a Unitarian. I used to attend a Unitarian congregation. Like I said in my initial post, I really don't care for labels. I love God as I know Him/Her; I love the Christ of faith (sometimes different from the one of history). I dislike modernist "hard cold fact=truth" thinking. God can only be wrapped in a certain amount of mystery to truly remain God. Does this clarify or muddy the waters?
Peace & Blessings,
Daniel |
You dirty, motherf...ARGH!!!!!!! I can't STAND people like you. This crap you write--the absolute deterioration of our society and the stunting of our growing global consciousness...why can't you people get it straight? WHY??????????????
Instead of propagating your poorly presented thoughts all over the board like some rabid missionary, why don't you read this and open your EYES @_@!!:
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Sexist Language and the Indefinite Third Person.
The movement away from potentially sexist language has been a mixed blessing. It has replaced the obviously exclusionary workman's compensation with worker's compensation, but it has also replaced waiter or waitress with abominations such as waitperson or, heaven help us, waitron (I feel ill).
Most of the time, a little sensitivity will get the job done. But perhaps the most confusing issue is the use of the third-person indefinite pronoun, as in "Each student is responsible for revising his/her/their/one's papers." Which pronoun is correct? This is a delicate question, and there's no one solution.
Each student is singular � the is instead of are proves it � so the colloquial their (a plural) doesn't agree with the verb, and is frowned on by traditionalists. It's common enough in speech � "A friend of mine called me." "What did they say?" � but, although many writers have used it (see examples from Jane Austen), it often sets off alarm bells among the fussier readers of formal writing today.
There is an indefinite third-person pronoun, one, which was once more common than it is now. It helped out in certain situations, but to modern American ears "One should do this" sounds too much like British royalty. It has therefore fallen out of general informal use. There's a place for it in college writing, but its usage can be tricky, and I haven't the time to get into the details here. If you're not confident, I suggest you avoid one.
Some people now advocate a new set of gender-neutral personal pronouns: favorite sets are sie, hir, and hirs; zie, zir, and zirs; and ey, em, eir, and eirs. I confess I find such neologisms merely irritating. Besides, readers who haven't yet acquired the secret decoder ring will have no idea what zirs means.
. . . Leaving his and her, or some combination of the two. "Each student is responsible for revising his papers" is the traditional usage, and assumes the masculine pronoun stands for everyone, but to some readers it suggests male chauvinism. "Each student is responsible for revising her papers" is another possibility, though it can sound patronizing (matronizing?) and seem to beat the reader over the head. "Each student is responsible for revising his or her papers" or "his/her papers" are both grammatical and nonsexist, but can become clumsy after fifteen or twenty appearances. (And see Slashes.)
There are several ways out. I usually opt for his or her, and do what I can to keep the extra words from being intrusive. Some prefer to mix the occasional his or her together with his's and her's separately; this cuts down on suggestions of sexism without making your writing clumsy. Another is to use his sometimes, her at other times, although this doesn't feel natural to most writers (yet). Finally, you can avoid the problem altogether and make your subject plural whenever possible: "All students are responsible for revising their papers." (There's nothing wrong with recasting a sentence to dodge a problem.)
Ol' Doc Jack's advice: avoid their with singular subjects in formal writing, and shy away from his/her (see Slashes). His or her is probably the best solution, although you should work to avoid very clumsy sentences.
See Each and Every for singular nouns that require attention, and see a short piece by Carolyn Jacobson on Gender-Neutral Language. There's also a Web page devoted to Gender-Neutral Pronoun Frequently Asked Questions (GNP FAQ). |
Him/Her 
Wake up, seoulunitarian. Wake the F up. |
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seoulunitarian
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| Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 3:19 am Post subject: Re: re: |
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Despite my screen name, I am not a Unitarian. I used to attend a Unitarian congregation. Like I said in my initial post, I really don't care for labels. I love God as I know Him/Her; I love the Christ of faith (sometimes different from the one of history). I dislike modernist "hard cold fact=truth" thinking. God can only be wrapped in a certain amount of mystery to truly remain God. Does this clarify or muddy the waters?
Peace & Blessings,
Daniel |
You dirty, motherf...ARGH!!!!!!! I can't STAND people like you. This crap you write--the absolute deterioration of our society and the stunting of our growing global consciousness...why can't you people get it straight? WHY??????????????
Instead of propagating your poorly presented thoughts all over the board like some rabid missionary, why don't you read this and open your EYES @_@!!:
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Sexist Language and the Indefinite Third Person.
The movement away from potentially sexist language has been a mixed blessing. It has replaced the obviously exclusionary workman's compensation with worker's compensation, but it has also replaced waiter or waitress with abominations such as waitperson or, heaven help us, waitron (I feel ill).
Most of the time, a little sensitivity will get the job done. But perhaps the most confusing issue is the use of the third-person indefinite pronoun, as in "Each student is responsible for revising his/her/their/one's papers." Which pronoun is correct? This is a delicate question, and there's no one solution.
Each student is singular � the is instead of are proves it � so the colloquial their (a plural) doesn't agree with the verb, and is frowned on by traditionalists. It's common enough in speech � "A friend of mine called me." "What did they say?" � but, although many writers have used it (see examples from Jane Austen), it often sets off alarm bells among the fussier readers of formal writing today.
There is an indefinite third-person pronoun, one, which was once more common than it is now. It helped out in certain situations, but to modern American ears "One should do this" sounds too much like British royalty. It has therefore fallen out of general informal use. There's a place for it in college writing, but its usage can be tricky, and I haven't the time to get into the details here. If you're not confident, I suggest you avoid one.
Some people now advocate a new set of gender-neutral personal pronouns: favorite sets are sie, hir, and hirs; zie, zir, and zirs; and ey, em, eir, and eirs. I confess I find such neologisms merely irritating. Besides, readers who haven't yet acquired the secret decoder ring will have no idea what zirs means.
. . . Leaving his and her, or some combination of the two. "Each student is responsible for revising his papers" is the traditional usage, and assumes the masculine pronoun stands for everyone, but to some readers it suggests male chauvinism. "Each student is responsible for revising her papers" is another possibility, though it can sound patronizing (matronizing?) and seem to beat the reader over the head. "Each student is responsible for revising his or her papers" or "his/her papers" are both grammatical and nonsexist, but can become clumsy after fifteen or twenty appearances. (And see Slashes.)
There are several ways out. I usually opt for his or her, and do what I can to keep the extra words from being intrusive. Some prefer to mix the occasional his or her together with his's and her's separately; this cuts down on suggestions of sexism without making your writing clumsy. Another is to use his sometimes, her at other times, although this doesn't feel natural to most writers (yet). Finally, you can avoid the problem altogether and make your subject plural whenever possible: "All students are responsible for revising their papers." (There's nothing wrong with recasting a sentence to dodge a problem.)
Ol' Doc Jack's advice: avoid their with singular subjects in formal writing, and shy away from his/her (see Slashes). His or her is probably the best solution, although you should work to avoid very clumsy sentences.
See Each and Every for singular nouns that require attention, and see a short piece by Carolyn Jacobson on Gender-Neutral Language. There's also a Web page devoted to Gender-Neutral Pronoun Frequently Asked Questions (GNP FAQ). |
Him/Her
Wake up, seoulunitarian. Wake the F up. |
Thanks for the wake-up call~
Peace & Blessings,
Daniel |
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flotsam
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