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EFLtrainer

Joined: 04 May 2005
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Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 5:10 pm Post subject: |
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You need to look up the term "counterpoint." As usual, a poster here (you in this case) takes a small, specific point and assumes it to be a discussion of the topic in full. I, in fact, didn't even state an opinion. I posted information. |
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laogaiguk

Joined: 06 Dec 2005 Location: somewhere in Korea
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Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 5:18 pm Post subject: |
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| EFLtrainer wrote: |
Good lord... the whole world appears to be racist... Just got done with illogical ranting by others on another thread... not gonna bother with this.
If you don't know whether you are racist, let me fill you in: you are. |
Tell me about it.
I think it's mostly just a bunch of short *manhood* Koreans or gyopos going on about it who are probably mad at black people due to their much larger ability to please women. It's not our fault gyopos aren't Korean here and weren't raised American back home, therefore not fitting in anywhere.
PS.
Oh, did I just make tons of stupid, ignorant comments about an entire group of people. Looks like I did, but in this thread, it seems to be ok. 
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laogaiguk

Joined: 06 Dec 2005 Location: somewhere in Korea
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Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 5:20 pm Post subject: |
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| EFLtrainer wrote: |
You need to look up the term "counterpoint." As usual, a poster here (you in this case) takes a small, specific point and assumes it to be a discussion of the topic in full. I, in fact, didn't even state an opinion. I posted information. |
People here have no idea about the difference between information and opinion.
I was viciously attacked when I said the West doesn't really care about Africa or it's troubles because Africa just doesn't offer enough (like Iraq does). It's wasn't an opinion, just a fact, a true one too. I deplore the current state that Africa is in, just incase some more people don't get that is not my opinion. |
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doggyji

Joined: 21 Feb 2006 Location: Toronto - Hamilton - Vineland - St. Catherines
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Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 6:20 pm Post subject: |
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| EFLtrainer wrote: |
You need to look up the term "counterpoint." As usual, a poster here (you in this case) takes a small, specific point and assumes it to be a discussion of the topic in full. I, in fact, didn't even state an opinion. I posted information. |
You read into it too much. I guess what I wrote wasn't clear. I'm not directly talking to you, EFLTrainer. Maybe I shouldn't have quoted you and seoulshock's post at all. I'm briefly saying that as seoulshock seems to think, I, too, have an impression that the media coverage and discussions about the LA riot have been partial many times. |
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Bulsajo

Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 6:53 pm Post subject: |
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| I guess what I wrote wasn't clear. |
No, it was clear, don't worry about it. |
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Tiger Beer

Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 9:05 pm Post subject: Re: LA Riots - a random question? |
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been reading and looking at a lot of stuff on the LA Riots recently (for what its worth im from the uk) and was astonished that almost $400 million worth of damage was done to Korean businesses and properties etc. koreans even have a special name for it 'sa-e-goo'.
would you say that Korean peoples views of, in particular, afro americans, has been somewhat eternally impaired (ok i know it was 14 years ago) as a result? |
Part of the animosity involved African-Americans NOT liking the way Koreans would follow them around in the stores, thinking that the Koreans thought they were going to steal something.
Of course, after living in Korea.. and you can see its common for Koreans to hover around you in the store anyways.. but African-Americans in L.A. don't know that.
I've always thought that was part of the reason the Korean businesses seemed to have been so targeted. Maybe I'm wrong.. but always thought that. |
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Julius

Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 12:29 am Post subject: |
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Treating others with respect is more important than making money out of them.
Koreans would do well to realise this sentiment is widespread, in the world outside of Korea. |
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stevieg4ever

Joined: 11 Feb 2006 Location: London, England
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Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 2:21 am Post subject: Re: LA Riots - a random question? |
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its difficult because a lot of these stores had been the target of many thefts and criminal incidents (the store where latasha harlins was killed had 60 reported incidents that year) and as such there is going to be a lot of following them around and baiting in general. i cant blame the store owners for that.
but then a lot of sources say that initially, when koreans had just moved in, they refused from the off to look people in the eye (as we all know, a sign of immense disrespect in Korea), hand them the change in their hands, exchange verbal pleasantries (thank you, good bye) etc. how much of this cultural and how much of this is prejudiced based i really dont know but i dont feel inclined to judge as im not from LA.
from my time in korea i seem to remember having different treatment according to the age of the owner. young didnt mind at all, old a bit more tensed up, i think i brought out their insecurities for sure
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| stevieg4ever wrote: |
been reading and looking at a lot of stuff on the LA Riots recently (for what its worth im from the uk) and was astonished that almost $400 million worth of damage was done to Korean businesses and properties etc. koreans even have a special name for it 'sa-e-goo'.
would you say that Korean peoples views of, in particular, afro americans, has been somewhat eternally impaired (ok i know it was 14 years ago) as a result? |
Part of the animosity involved African-Americans NOT liking the way Koreans would follow them around in the stores, thinking that the Koreans thought they were going to steal something.
Of course, after living in Korea.. and you can see its common for Koreans to hover around you in the store anyways.. but African-Americans in L.A. don't know that.
I've always thought that was part of the reason the Korean businesses seemed to have been so targeted. Maybe I'm wrong.. but always thought that. |
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billybrobby

Joined: 09 Dec 2004
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Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 3:21 am Post subject: |
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But hey, it's over with. Koreatown has since turned into a much nicer place. In fact, they're building a new luxury high-rise smack dab in the middle of Koreatown, called the Mercury (themercuryla.com). I've already purchased a unit on one of the higher floors there at a cost of over $2 million USD. |
thanks for mentioning the price of your apartment. that was, uh, (cough) subtle. |
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seoulshock
Joined: 12 Jul 2005
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Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 10:12 am Post subject: |
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But hey, it's over with. Koreatown has since turned into a much nicer place. In fact, they're building a new luxury high-rise smack dab in the middle of Koreatown, called the Mercury (themercuryla.com). I've already purchased a unit on one of the higher floors there at a cost of over $2 million USD. |
thanks for mentioning the price of your apartment. that was, uh, (cough) subtle. |
Well, I wanted to make a point, but I actually lied. It's $3.5 million. I didn't feel the need to be "uh, (cough) subtle". |
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farfromhome
Joined: 01 Jun 2006 Location: seoul
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Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 12:20 pm Post subject: |
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wow, the price of select real estate in k-town sure has gone up! the place looks nice, but you couldnt pay me $3.5 million to live in that area. four of my friends were mugged after shows at the wiltern and one of my friends had her car broken into twice in front of that korean mall with the practice driving range and starbucks on the first floor. the building itself may be safe but i wouldnt leave the safety of the bubble on foot.
i cant believe youre going from living in the palisades to k-town.  |
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stevieg4ever

Joined: 11 Feb 2006 Location: London, England
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Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 11:56 pm Post subject: |
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sorry, why exactly did you lie again?
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| billybrobby wrote: |
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But hey, it's over with. Koreatown has since turned into a much nicer place. In fact, they're building a new luxury high-rise smack dab in the middle of Koreatown, called the Mercury (themercuryla.com). I've already purchased a unit on one of the higher floors there at a cost of over $2 million USD. |
thanks for mentioning the price of your apartment. that was, uh, (cough) subtle. |
Well, I wanted to make a point, but I actually lied. It's $3.5 million. I didn't feel the need to be "uh, (cough) subtle". |
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TheFonz

Joined: 01 Dec 2005 Location: North Georgia
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Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 5:10 am Post subject: |
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| seoulshock wrote: |
| billybrobby wrote: |
| seoulshock wrote: |
But hey, it's over with. Koreatown has since turned into a much nicer place. In fact, they're building a new luxury high-rise smack dab in the middle of Koreatown, called the Mercury (themercuryla.com). I've already purchased a unit on one of the higher floors there at a cost of over $2 million USD. |
thanks for mentioning the price of your apartment. that was, uh, (cough) subtle. |
Well, I wanted to make a point, but I actually lied. It's $3.5 million. I didn't feel the need to be "uh, (cough) subtle". |
Well technically in your previous statement you said over 2 million USD. So now saying it is 3.5 million wouldn't be a lie.
But anyway what point were you trying to prove? |
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stevieg4ever

Joined: 11 Feb 2006 Location: London, England
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Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 12:41 am Post subject: |
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The following suggests that it is more than feasible that Korean stores and businesses were targeted in the riots.
http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/0429/p01s07-ussc.html
"The No. 1 enemy for us was Koreans, who we felt were oppressing us," says Ali.
Giving and getting racial hurt
Ali � then Todd Eskew � was a self-professed "gang-banger" who lived alone and hated his construction job. He'd watched as unemployment � due to an exodus of manufacturing from South-Central during the '80s � claimed the livelihoods of his friends.
Asians weren't the only ethnic group Ali disliked. He'd seen Hispanic immigrants flood L.A., competing with blacks for entry-level jobs and low-cost housing. But the Koreans edging in from the north were a case apart. They spoke no English � and used none on their business signs. Korean store owners in black neighborhoods followed customers around, and placed change on countertops, rather than in customers' hands. They kept to themselves and didn't participate in civic life, Ali says.
For him, in 1992, the riots were not riots at all, but a rebellion aimed at throwing off perceived economic and social oppression.
"We wanted to hurt [Koreans] physically, economically, raise their insurance rates � anything we could for payback," says Ali.
Jurado knew blacks didn't particularly get along with Koreans, because he grew up in South-Central. He knew, too, that blacks didn't particularly like Hispanics, either. Crack cocaine had hit South-Central streets in the mid-'80s, creating gang turf battles in which homicides rocketed. |
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