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ajgeddes

Joined: 28 Apr 2004 Location: Yongsan
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Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 3:58 pm Post subject: |
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"Yes, people do need to have an open mind. If little things bother you so easily, stay home. In his later posts, he seems much better, but in those first few posts he goes off on one phone call."
Those first two posts were made at 3.30 AM after I'd been woken and forced to hang up. I think it is understandable that I was a little irritated at that hour.
My attiude in those posts is no excuse for abusive posts targeting me because I'm Irish. I don't really mind being told I'm inflexible and not to come etc., but I do mind being insulted because of where I'm from.
I already know suitable times to receive calls, give me some credit . I've been telling every recruiter who called when is a good time. |
The Irish comments were a low-blow. I didn't make them. I know Irish people here, they have no problems..... well one had a problem, but it wasn't because he was Irish.
The problems with the phone calls sometimes, is that when they are often calling people from many different time zones, it is easy to get confused. Maybe the recruiter had just called to other people in Australia or North America and then called you without even thinking. They made a mistake, but there is no need to get worked up over it. It is also hard for them because they are calling during their work hours, they probably aren't going to do it in their free time. In the end, just give them a break, and like some others have mentioned, just write in Korean time when you would be able to receive phone calls. |
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corroonb
Joined: 04 Aug 2006
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Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 4:04 pm Post subject: |
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I've been telling every recruiter who asked when to ring me in Korea time. I even told a recruiter based in Ireland to ring me a 7-9 PM Korean time. As for getting worked up I think I've answered that in previous posts.
I hope people can stop posting now as I don't want this to become a flame war. Four pages is way more than the thread deserves. |
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ChopChaeJoe
Joined: 05 Mar 2006 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 4:16 pm Post subject: |
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| OP, why exactly did you start this thread? |
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corroonb
Joined: 04 Aug 2006
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Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 4:20 pm Post subject: |
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I started it partly to vent at 3 AM but mostly to ask how to deal with such a situation if it happens again. It won't happen again because I'm going to turn off my phone at night in future. |
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Dev
Joined: 18 Apr 2006
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Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 4:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Gwangjuboy wrote: |
| ajgeddes wrote: |
| You do need to have an open mind. If you live here, you will get woken at all times of the night by neighbours, unless you are lucky. |
What you are implying here is that Korea is considerabley worse than back home when it comes to bad neighbours. I can't agree with that. I have lived in four different houses in Korea. Three of them were fine. One of them was generally okay but for one incident when the neighbour was extremely drunk.
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Like back home it largely depends on the area and luck. |
I have to agree with ajgeddes on this one. Despite the arrival of Christianity to this country, the "do onto others as you'd have them do onto you" societal policy never quite got accepted here. Just walk out your door and Koreans will bump you, cut in lines, barge into full elevators without waiting for people to get out of them, stand right in the middle of sidewalks and chat... They don't seem to give a thought to the other guy. Apartment life is no different. Shouting, laughing uproariously and playing the TV loud at 3 in the morning is the norm in many apartment buildings.
My advice: load up on ear plugs before you leave for Korea and bring your sense of humour with you. These things will make your life a lot happier here.
Also, don't expect things to be like in your home country. I know this sounds silly to say, but a lot of foreigners somehow forget to remind themselves of the fact and get pissed off with a lot of things.
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ajgeddes

Joined: 28 Apr 2004 Location: Yongsan
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Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 4:30 pm Post subject: |
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| My first year here, it was rare to sleep through the whole night, there was always noise, but it didn't bother me because I was at a hagwon and could just sleep in everyday. This past year, I was never woken up. I lived on the 26th floor of an officetel and never heard a sound. |
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Sody
Joined: 14 May 2006
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Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 4:47 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, why did you start this thread?
Sorry but I'm not buying into the idea that you weren't trying to cause a stir over something so innocent. That is the whole point in why people were trying to set you right. You haven't even accepted a job and you are already complaining about a setback in your job hunting process? You haven't even gotten past stage one and you are complaining. That is why people posted. It's a sign you won't do well here in Korea because like I've said, there will be things a lot worse than late night phone calls. Then you come back and complain about the "jerks," on this forum who have tried to help you. Is it at all possible that you are the one with the problem?
As for the Irish accent you and a few other people on this forum are either ignorant or in denial. I have taught ESL in NA and the Irish accent IS NOT considered acceptable. Have you even been to NA or taught ESL there? My best friend in high school and one of my ex-GFs was Irish and they spoke with thick accents. Do you know how many idiots made fun of them while they were in NA? Why bother even posting about some Irish movie stars? They don't speak with real Irish accents most of them. NAs are some of the most racist people you will ever meet. Look at this thread even, and the person who assumed you were a drunk based on race.
So you posted a thread to complain, then when others set you right, you complain about them. It is possible that everything got blown out of proportion and there was a huge misunderstanding but it's the attitude and the intention of what you are saying that is of concern. You don't realize that posters here are trying to help you. Anyhow, whatever you decide you better really think about carefully. You don't want to make a decision you will regret later.
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Captain Corea

Joined: 28 Feb 2005 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 5:02 pm Post subject: |
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| corroonb wrote: |
I started it partly to vent at 3 AM but mostly to ask how to deal with such a situation if it happens again. It won't happen again because I'm going to turn off my phone at night in future. |
Sounds like you found the solution on all fronts. |
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corroonb
Joined: 04 Aug 2006
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Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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I assume you can read, so apparently your memory is poor. I think your initial post was insulting and it certainly wasn't helpful. As for me being the one with the problem, I'm not the one coming on a message board telling people what to do and making ridiculous statements about accents. I think you are the one who has the problem judging from your attitude towards accents that are not North-American. I only have a very slight accent and I'd be very suprised if a foreign learner could tell the difference between my accent and a British accent. Do you really think I'm some country bumpkin or inner city street kid who speaks with a thick accent? Have you ever actually met an Irish person who wasn't a stereotype? How isn't an Irish accent accepted in Nortn America? Are there no Irish people living, working or teaching in North America becasue of the widely accepted critieria of what constitutes an acceptable accent? And I really don't care what you buy or don't. Do you really think I came on here to provoke people? Apparently being annoyed and Irish is considered provocation. In future I won't mention I'm Irish, I'll say I'm Welsh . Why did you bring up Irish accents at all? And how did you and your fellows 'set me straight'? And what was the 'attitude and intention of what I'm saying? How could you possibly know what my intention was? Please think about what you are writing and read the thread. I already explained that I made the first two posts at 3 AM right after this happened and I was understandably a liitle annoyed. |
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ajgeddes

Joined: 28 Apr 2004 Location: Yongsan
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Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 5:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Sody wrote: |
| As for the Irish accent you and a few other people on this forum are either ignorant or in denial. I have taught ESL in NA and the Irish accent IS NOT considered acceptable. Have you even been to NA or taught ESL there? My best friend in high school and one of my ex-GFs was Irish and they spoke with thick accents. Do you know how many idiots made fun of them while they were in NA? Why bother even posting about some Irish movie stars? They don't speak with real Irish accents most of them. NAs are some of the most racist people you will ever meet. Look at this thread even, and the person who assumed you were a drunk based on race. |
Does NA = North America or North Asia? I know you probably mean North America, but what does that have to do with teaching English and accents? He isn't going to Toronto to teach. Also, why would an Irish person go to Canada or the US to teach English? If you mean North Asia, then you probably shouldn't use "NA". Although the Irish accent isn't sought after as a first choice, it is certainly accepted here. |
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corroonb
Joined: 04 Aug 2006
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Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 6:03 pm Post subject: |
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According to Wikipedia NA may refer to:
* Namibia (ISO country code)
* Narcotics Anonymous
* One of several National Alliances
* National Association � a banking term
* National Association of Professional Baseball Players
* Naturally-aspirated engine (Normally-aspirated engine)
* New Afrika � a North American Black nationalist group
* Neighborhood association (see neighbourhood)
* North America
* North American Airlines � IATA airline designator
* One of several Northern Alliances
* Not Applicable (usually written "n/a")
* Nucleic acid
* Numerical aperture � A specification in optical systems.
* Neo-Aramaic languages
So according to Wiki, Irish accents aren't accepted in North America or perhaps Namibia. Dang there goes my holiday plans . I also hope I never get addicted to narcotics, I'll be screwed if that happens. NA does not mean North Asia.
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ajgeddes

Joined: 28 Apr 2004 Location: Yongsan
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Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 6:07 pm Post subject: |
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| corroonb wrote: |
| NA does not mean North Asia. |
I know it typically doesn't, but every other possibility is just strange. Watch this though, I can make letters mean whatever I want because I am in SC. What's SC?
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ChopChaeJoe
Joined: 05 Mar 2006 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 12:34 am Post subject: |
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I have to strongly agree about the lack of the golden rule here. One-on-one, people are more firendly than most in America, but in a crowd...
The stopping to talk in the middle of a crowded sidewalk and people pushing past you when everyone is exiting an elevator really get on my nerves. really just a lot of pushing and showing each other. And also banging into your grocery cart with theirs when they want you to move it. Definitely a herd mentality. But this is an extremely crowded country, it figures.
And no matter how long i live here and get used to the massive cultural differences, on some days I'm just left with self-righteous anger at some situation or another.
But it's a pretty nice country all in all. The countryside is lovely, the food is delicious (if sometimes too salty) and the women are beautiful. You can't let the idiots get you down. |
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Unreal
Joined: 01 Jul 2004 Location: Jeollabuk-do
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Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 4:16 am Post subject: |
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| I was called once at 4 AM by a recruiter who told me he was Canadian (I was in Canada at the time) so I would expect him to know the time there. Not only did he call at 4 AM but he wanted to know right then and there if I wanted the job. It was a pretty crappy deal with weekend work but he tried to make it sound like it was the best deal I could possibly hope for...so I think that some people deliberately call at odd hours to catch you off guard, hoping that you'll agree to their lame contract in your sleep deprived daze. |
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Dev
Joined: 18 Apr 2006
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Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 4:21 pm Post subject: |
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OP, I don't know if you've arrived in Korea yet. If you're still in Ireland, one thing you should do is drink as much Guiness as you can because you won't want to buy it in Korea. It sells for a ridiculous $4 for a small can. I miss my Guiness.  |
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