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kato
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| Hendrix, Zeppelin, Iron Butterfly, Black Sabbath... |
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SPINOZA
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| Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 4:06 pm Post subject: |
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Heavy Metal began with 'Deep Purple In Rock' of 1970.
Led Zepp, Hendrix were too bluesy and retro to be considered the inventors of Metal proper.
DPIR however was something new, a brand new style of music. This new style of music was tuneful and incredibly skillful, and had the freeform jamming qualities of Jazz, but focused mainly on brutality....for it's own sake! because brutality, deafening noise and distortion, is cool!
Metal over the years has spun off in all different directions. Listen to Slayer and Maiden and you've two totally different styles of music yet both clearly and distinctly 'Metal'. Both those two styles are evident on Deep Purple In Rock. Black Sabbath also borrowed heavily from DPIR (listen to the fast bit in Sabbath's 'Under the Sun' and compare to DPIR's 'Flight of the Rat').
DPIR is the world's first extreme metal album too. Their sound was a clear break from everything that'd gone on in the 60s white retro movement and was something never heard before. The high-pitched vocals were heard on Led Zepp records, but that's about it.
Even by today's standards, DPIR still sounds extreme. Play Slayer's 'Reign in Blood', then play DPIR, and you'll see what I mean. Listen to Megadeth's 'Rust in Peace' and compare with DPIR. Do Megadeth, Slayer, bear the slightest ancestory to blues and rock and roll? Absolutely not. But they're very clearly descendants of DPIR. DPIR is all about destroying, killing, bludgeoning musical instruments (and vocal chords) and using them as seismic earth-moving equipment (I'll drink to that) yet their songs, their mastery of their instruments, is right up there with the very best.
You simply have to listen to DPIR and you will agree with me.
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Hollywoodaction
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I don't really think of AC/DC as metal. Just amped up 50's, innunendo-laden boogie. Well, with AC/DC they aren't really even innuendos.
And any mention of led Zepplin should at least reach back to the Yardbirds. plenty of that gregorian chant kinda stuff. |
That's pretty much how they'd describe themselves, too. |
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Hollywoodaction
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| SPINOZA wrote: |
Heavy Metal began with 'Deep Purple In Rock' of 1970.
Led Zepp, Hendrix were too bluesy and retro to be considered the inventors of Metal proper.
DPIR however was something new, a brand new style of music. This new style of music was tuneful and incredibly skillful, and had the freeform jamming qualities of Jazz, but focused mainly on brutality....for it's own sake! because brutality, deafening noise and distortion, is cool!
Metal over the years has spun off in all different directions. Listen to Slayer and Maiden and you've two totally different styles of music yet both clearly and distinctly 'Metal'. Both those two styles are evident on Deep Purple In Rock. Black Sabbath also borrowed heavily from DPIR (listen to the fast bit in Sabbath's 'Under the Sun' and compare to DPIR's 'Flight of the Rat').
DPIR is the world's first extreme metal album and also the world's first metal album. Their sound was a clear break from everything that'd gone on in the 60s white retro movement and was something never heard before. The high-pitched vocals were heard on Led Zepp records, but that's about it.
Even by today's standards, DPIR still sounds extreme. Play Slayer's 'Reign in Blood', then play DPIR, and you'll see what I mean. Listen to Megadeth's 'Rust in Peace' and compare with DPIR. Do Megadeth, Slayer, bear the slightest ancestory to blues and rock and roll? Absolutely not. But they're very clearly descendants of DPIR. DPIR is all about destroying, killing, bludgeoning musical instruments (and vocal chords) and using them as seismic earth-moving equipment (I'll drink to that) yet their songs, their mastery of their instruments, is right up there with the very best.
You simply have to listen to DPIR and you will agree with me. |
Actually, the first 'heavy metal' song, a cover version of Eddie Cochran's "Summertime Blues", was recorded by Blue Cheer in 1968. (although I admit that the Kinks, Cream, Vanilla Fudge, etc played a kind of heavy blues/psychadelic that greatly influenced early heavy metal).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_metal_music |
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kato
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| Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 6:38 pm Post subject: |
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| SPINOZA wrote: |
Heavy Metal began with 'Deep Purple In Rock' of 1970.
Led Zepp, Hendrix were too bluesy and retro to be considered the inventors of Metal proper. |
Obivously they didn't "invent" metal. But they layed the foundation with their heavy styles... |
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uberscheisse
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Location: japan is better than korea.
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| Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 7:59 am Post subject: |
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i read an interview with rob halford of judas priest. he was talking about the progression of metal over the years.
i have no qualms with any of the bands mentioned here as being part of the foundation of metal... but halford mentioned that generation by generation, there is a crop of bands that builds upon other bands' heaviness.
ie. the kinks - who were mentioned here - give birth to bands like black sabbath and blue cheer - who give birth to bands like iron maiden - who give birth to bands like slayer.... etc.
but the band halford cited as the catalyst for judas priest's sound was creedence clearwater revival.
just another 2 cents for the pot. |
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Rteacher
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Dang! - I thought it all started with "White Zombie"...
Off the top of my head, I'd say that very hard rock - begun by the Kinks with songs like "You Really Got Me", "All Day And All of the Night" laid the foundation for heavy metal, but as noted already they explored various styles including folk-rock. I think they pre-dated Deep Purple by a couple years, but, as far as I know (I wasn't into them that much...) Deep Purple were consistently a very hard rock/heavy metal band. As was Steppenwolf, but I don't think they did much besides "Born to Be Wild" and "Magic Carpet Ride"...
I think what probably added the "evil" tinge to heavy metal was the prevalence of bad drugs like qualudes and various downers, along with different forms of speed. Motley Crue, Twisted Sister and even AC/DC concert crowds were hellish ...
A comprehensive article on heavy metal, including its history and origins is given in Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_metal_music/temp |
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bhog
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own_king
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You guys have to be careful not to mix up Heavy Metal and Classic Rock. The OP was asking what groups led to Heavy Metal as it became more recently trying to stem the tide between Led Zeppellin and Metallica. In this sense, I think Black Sabbath and Judas Priest do the best job. But it is quite a stretch to throw in the Kinks and CCR (one of my all-time favorites by the way), as being what led up to modern Heavy Metal. Why don't we just give all credit to Elvis for commercializing rock and roll, with such Heavy Metal favorites as Jailhouse Rock and That's Allright Mama  |
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Hollywoodaction
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| You guys have to be careful not to mix up Heavy Metal and Classic Rock. The OP was asking what groups led to Heavy Metal as it became more recently trying to stem the tide between Led Zeppellin and Metallica. In this sense, I think Black Sabbath and Judas Priest do the best job. But it is quite a stretch to throw in the Kinks and CCR (one of my all-time favorites by the way), as being what led up to modern Heavy Metal. Why don't we just give all credit to Elvis for commercializing rock and roll, with such Heavy Metal favorites as Jailhouse Rock and That's Allright Mama |
That's also debatable. Lots of African American recording artists were making successful Rythm and Blues albums before Elvis came along. Sure, their audience was mainly African Americans. But, when you consider the size of that segment of the American population, it becomes difficult to say that Elvis was the first popular Rock and Roll singer. I've read that an early song by Ike Turner is considered as the first example of R'n B that we now label as Rock and Roll. Elvis was simply the first to introduce R'n B/Rock'n Roll to most white kids.
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kato
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| Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 2:23 pm Post subject: |
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| anyways who cares...metal sucks... |
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potblackettle
Joined: 23 Aug 2006
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| Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 3:34 pm Post subject: |
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The Beatles.
That's right.
"She's So Heavy" is one of the proto heavy metal songs. |
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own_king
Joined: 17 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 4:13 pm Post subject: |
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| kato wrote: |
| anyways who cares...metal sucks... |
OK Princess - just stick to your Justin Timberlake and Backstreet Boys, leave the real music to us.
| Hollywoodaction wrote: |
| That's also debatable. Lots of African American recording artists were making successful Rythm and Blues albums before Elvis came along. |
I know Hollywood - I guess it was just a poor attempt at sarcasm on my part. I didn't mean this seriously. |
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own_king
Joined: 17 Apr 2004
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| SPINOZA wrote: |
Heavy Metal began with 'Deep Purple In Rock' of 1970.
Led Zepp, Hendrix were too bluesy and retro to be considered the inventors of Metal proper.
DPIR however was something new, a brand new style of music. This new style of music was tuneful and incredibly skillful, and had the freeform jamming qualities of Jazz, but focused mainly on brutality....for it's own sake! because brutality, deafening noise and distortion, is cool!
Metal over the years has spun off in all different directions. Listen to Slayer and Maiden and you've two totally different styles of music yet both clearly and distinctly 'Metal'. Both those two styles are evident on Deep Purple In Rock. Black Sabbath also borrowed heavily from DPIR (listen to the fast bit in Sabbath's 'Under the Sun' and compare to DPIR's 'Flight of the Rat').
DPIR is the world's first extreme metal album too. Their sound was a clear break from everything that'd gone on in the 60s white retro movement and was something never heard before. The high-pitched vocals were heard on Led Zepp records, but that's about it.
Even by today's standards, DPIR still sounds extreme. Play Slayer's 'Reign in Blood', then play DPIR, and you'll see what I mean. Listen to Megadeth's 'Rust in Peace' and compare with DPIR. Do Megadeth, Slayer, bear the slightest ancestory to blues and rock and roll? Absolutely not. But they're very clearly descendants of DPIR. DPIR is all about destroying, killing, bludgeoning musical instruments (and vocal chords) and using them as seismic earth-moving equipment (I'll drink to that) yet their songs, their mastery of their instruments, is right up there with the very best.
You simply have to listen to DPIR and you will agree with me. |
I listened to it again - - agreed. But Black Sabbath's first album still predates DPIR. Great CD though - - thanks for the reminder. |
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Rteacher
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| I think the Wikipedia article also credits the Beatles with being at least one of the originators of heavy metal sound with "Helter Skelter"... |
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