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jajdude
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
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Ah hell it's a bunch of b.s. is it not? But we gotta play by local rules, so let's all yell, "Quiet (you little pains)" next time.
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philthy
Joined: 02 Sep 2005
Location: Incheon
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| Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 5:29 am Post subject: |
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| Shut Up is a bad thing to say here. It's like saying, 'you are dirt'. |
I believe why we're here is to educate people in using English. What they have heard is irrelevant. The truth is what matters. |
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captain kirk
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 6:04 am Post subject: |
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When you think of it Shut Up is a pretty weird thing for an Conversation Teacher to say. To all those Moms listening to a kid's tale of class. 'Mom, teacher told me to Shut Up'. Mom's paying good money for lace pronounciations of heavenly, angel hair filament promising big bucks in future job ops for Kid, not 'kid, Shut Up'.
If Shut Up, having migrated into Korean vernacular Konglish equals 'you are dirt!' who's going to rewrite the Konglish Dictionary/popular opinion. Once something gets adopted it's sold for slavery, no coming back.
Back in Canuckistan it was never ok to say Shut Up. It was reserved for squabbling pre smack in the head in the back seat during long, family drives in humid summer...'Ben told me to Shut Up! (smack! upside the head)... |
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philthy
Joined: 02 Sep 2005
Location: Incheon
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| Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 6:56 am Post subject: |
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So "blue" could be "green"?
P.S. It's a conversation teacher. |
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jajdude
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 8:52 am Post subject: |
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So "blue" could be "green"?
P.S. It's a conversation teacher. |
Do not do that, please, with the typos. We all miss typr mow and than!!
Captain Kirk is probably the best writer I have ever seen on this board. i (Whoops, that is "I") really enjoy his writing.
Maybe the Bobster is up there too. |
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Leslie Cheswyck
Joined: 31 May 2003
Location: University of Western Chile
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Qinella,
You do like Sidney Poitier in To Sir With Love and say to the little girl "I see. Thank you for making that clear to me." |
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blackjack
Joined: 04 Jan 2006
Location: anyang
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| Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 9:01 pm Post subject: |
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am absolutely amazed by the strong feelings those two little words 'shut up' have aroused on this thread.
I am British, when I was at school, teachers often used it. I say 'shut up' daily to my classes AND in the hearing of my director who thinks I am a good teacher. The difference is that it is in a jokey tone of voice. Same with 'crazy' I am always telling kids they are crazy and I am crazy, I have one student called Daisy, well you can imagine what I call her and she thinks it is hilarious.
I will certainly be more careful in future!
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i have to agree with muffin. Teachers at my school used to say shut up all the time, and i find i do the same. Maybe it is a north american thing that it is considered to strong? shut up means nothing back home (NZ). However none of the students seem to mind and sometimes my good students will tell the noisy disruptive students to shut up before i do. |
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Qinella
Joined: 25 Feb 2005
Location: the crib
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| Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 10:53 pm Post subject: |
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Qinella,
You do like Sidney Poitier in To Sir With Love and say to the little girl "I see. Thank you for making that clear to me." |
I did enjoy that film, but I can't remember the scene you're referencing. Blast my dissipating memory! |
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Juregen
Joined: 30 May 2006
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| Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 11:40 pm Post subject: |
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Ofcourse you would first listen to the teachers side of the story right?
Don't assume your child is an angel, correct behaviour is required from both parties. |
So there are times when it's appropriate for a teacher to tell a child to shut up? Is this what you are saying?
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I was probably the worst student you could imagine, and the teachers had all the right to tell me to "Shut Up". Trust me, been there, done that, bough the T-shirt, as the saying goes.
Thus i know from personal experience that some children can be great pests, and as such i would first want to hear the teachers explanation before hitting him smack down on the floor. |
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OiGirl
Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Location: Hoke-y-gun
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| Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 12:29 am Post subject: |
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| [. And I have a pretty dramatic reaction to that kind of language...the student is IMMEDIATELY removed from the classroom, regardless of institutional policy, because otherwise I will kill them. But I would not speak to them in an angry or ugly manner...." |
So 'killing' a student is fine, as long as you don't speak to them in an angry or ugly manner?
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THAT'S why I remove them from the classroom...  |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 1:18 am Post subject: |
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| OiGirl wrote: |
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| [. And I have a pretty dramatic reaction to that kind of language...the student is IMMEDIATELY removed from the classroom, regardless of institutional policy, because otherwise I will kill them. But I would not speak to them in an angry or ugly manner...." |
So 'killing' a student is fine, as long as you don't speak to them in an angry or ugly manner?
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THAT'S why I remove them from the classroom... |
Yeah...those pesky witnesses.  |
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Alias
Joined: 24 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 2:16 am Post subject: |
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To the OP,
As other posters have alluded to, it is not about racism but about the hagwons themselves. Those who teach English in hagwons are not see as real teachers. More like Au Pairs.
This has always been a heated topic here (many are highly offended) but I believe that 'glorified babbysitter" is appropriate. The kids know this and will give us the respect they think we deserve.
Of course there are superstar teachers on this board who will tell you about how great they are and have no discipline problems with their students. Don't let it make you feel bad though. I'm sure you are doing the best you can under difficult circumstances. |
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Panic
Joined: 03 Aug 2006
Location: Busan
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| Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 4:25 am Post subject: |
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Smack me for trying to be a good teacher but I quite often teach my higher level students that 'shut up' is not even a bad word in my culture (Kiwi).
I like 'Shut Up' as for me it can become an easy five minute discussion to illustrate how direct translations between English and Korean can be incorrect and can lead to misunderstandings.
My favourite examples are how it's highly appropriate for a good student to shout "Shut up everyone, the angry teacher's coming back!" in order to get his/her fellow students attention if they're bouncing off the walls and being crazy. But it is rude to tell your teacher to 'shut up' and of course it is never a good thing to say to anyones grand mother.
I confess I've been known to tell overly talkative students to 'Shut Up!' for dramatic effect (especially after I have warned them previously). However I am careful to do this only after I've established that 'Shut Up' is a word that requires intonation to understand meaning.
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