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Jocamo
Joined: 29 Aug 2006
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Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 9:21 pm Post subject: Some input please. contact hours, and location |
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OK guys. I have accepted a job in Cheolsan in Gwangmyeong, Seoul. I spoke with two guys on the phone. One, said he was the head English teacher, the other just a teacher. They were both American, sounded like normal cool guys. They both seemed to be very happy about working at the place. I have been offered 2.1 including utilities and internet. I have even been offered free lunch on work days.
My only concerns are that the contact hours seem long, they are about 7 per day 4 days per week. and 6 hours on the 5th day.
Also 6 of these hours are relatively consecutive. There�s a 20 minute break in there, a 15 minute break, and maybe 5 minutes bet. each class.
The deal is I have 1 class from 11am to 12, then 2 hours off. The I have that 6 hour stint in the afternoon, from 2 to 8. So I am second guessing whether or not these hours are reasonable. I don't want to be absolutely exhausted all the time.
My second concern is that, I understand that it is pretty hard to meet foreigners in Gwangmyeong. I think I might like to be closer to Itaewan, just in case I get out there and really have the desire to meet more Anglophones.
The guys who work at my school, of which there are 4, sound pretty cool. But I would hate to get out there, and feel hopeless about meeting new friends, especially in the case that I end up not getting along that well with my coworkers.
At any rate, thank you for listening, or reading rather. Please, all and any input would be greatly appreciated. I think I am mostly concerned with the schedule at this point. Thanks again. |
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the eye

Joined: 29 Jan 2004
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Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 9:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Doesn't sound too harsh, although that morning hour is probably kindergarten. That may tire you if you don't like singing, or little kids, for that matter. |
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ttompatz

Joined: 05 Sep 2005 Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 10:07 pm Post subject: Re: Some input please. contact hours, and location |
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| Jocamo wrote: |
OK guys. I have accepted a job in Cheolsan in Gwangmyeong, Seoul. I spoke with two guys on the phone. One, said he was the head English teacher, the other just a teacher. They were both American, sounded like normal cool guys. They both seemed to be very happy about working at the place. I have been offered 2.1 including utilities and internet. I have even been offered free lunch on work days.
My only concerns are that the contact hours seem long, they are about 7 per day 4 days per week. and 6 hours on the 5th day.
Also 6 of these hours are relatively consecutive. There�s a 20 minute break in there, a 15 minute break, and maybe 5 minutes bet. each class.
The deal is I have 1 class from 11am to 12, then 2 hours off. The I have that 6 hour stint in the afternoon, from 2 to 8. So I am second guessing whether or not these hours are reasonable. I don't want to be absolutely exhausted all the time.
My second concern is that, I understand that it is pretty hard to meet foreigners in Gwangmyeong. I think I might like to be closer to Itaewan, just in case I get out there and really have the desire to meet more Anglophones.
The guys who work at my school, of which there are 4, sound pretty cool. But I would hate to get out there, and feel hopeless about meeting new friends, especially in the case that I end up not getting along that well with my coworkers.
At any rate, thank you for listening, or reading rather. Please, all and any input would be greatly appreciated. I think I am mostly concerned with the schedule at this point. Thanks again. |
34 contact hours per week for 2.1 mil is LOW. Most guys get 2 or 2.2 per month for just the afternoon stuff. Your boss is giving you the morning stuff and forgetting to pay you for it.
Someone can check my math but it sounds like about 140 contact hours per month for the same money as someone else doing 120. You will be making a couple thousand won per hour less or about 2 mil. per year less than you should.
PS: Your utilities don't/won't run 2 mil per year. |
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Jocamo
Joined: 29 Aug 2006
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Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 1:09 am Post subject: Well, I'm pretty sure it's less than 140 |
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It comes out to a 34 hour week. Plus, I have been told that I will not beexpected to come in early for prep ever. So that comes out to 236 per month. But this is strange becuase the contract stipulates overtime pay past 120 hours. Perhaps they'l pay the over time.
I would love to find a job where I could work 25-30 per week and get payed the same rate, but I have been uncomfortable on the phone with every school I spoke with cept for these guys.
I feel like putting in 4 extra hours per week might be worth headinging over to a place where I feel more comfortable going to.
Reading posts on this website has really scared the s--t out of me about heading on over there, so many horror storys of excesive mistreatment. So the fact that I spoke with two happy sounding Americans on the phone, is holding a lot of weight in this situation.
Yeah, the morning class is kindy, and the first hour of the afternoon is split up of two 1/2 hour kindy classes. The rest are older. |
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ttompatz

Joined: 05 Sep 2005 Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 2:57 am Post subject: Re: Well, I'm pretty sure it's less than 140 |
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It comes out to a 34 hour week. Plus, I have been told that I will not beexpected to come in early for prep ever. So that comes out to 236 per month. But this is strange becuase the contract stipulates overtime pay past 120 hours. Perhaps they'l pay the over time.
I would love to find a job where I could work 25-30 per week and get payed the same rate, but I have been uncomfortable on the phone with every school I spoke with cept for these guys.
I feel like putting in 4 extra hours per week might be worth headinging over to a place where I feel more comfortable going to.
Reading posts on this website has really scared the s--t out of me about heading on over there, so many horror storys of excesive mistreatment. So the fact that I spoke with two happy sounding Americans on the phone, is holding a lot of weight in this situation.
Yeah, the morning class is kindy, and the first hour of the afternoon is split up of two 1/2 hour kindy classes. The rest are older. |
4 extra hours per week for 50 weeks means you work 200 hours more than the next dancing monkey and you do it for free.
200 hours x w16,700/hr. (standard rate for newbies) = 3,340,000 won in lost wages.
Personally, I wouldn't do it. There are other kindy's out there that only work you for 30 classes x 40 minutes each per week (and still do minimal prep.
You're a big boy. Pay your quarter and take your chances. |
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Jocamo
Joined: 29 Aug 2006
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Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 11:38 pm Post subject: |
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| I checked with the guy at the school. He guaranteed me that our schedule always comes out to less than 30 contact hours per week with no mandatory prep time. You're right, I am a big boy. Thanks for the reminder. I like the way my coworkers sound, and I have a good intuitive feeling about this job. I'm going to go with it. I thank you very much for your thoughtful input. This discussion was just what I needed. Thanks again, to both of you. |
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ttompatz

Joined: 05 Sep 2005 Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 12:26 am Post subject: |
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| Jocamo wrote: |
| I checked with the guy at the school. He guaranteed me that our schedule always comes out to less than 30 contact hours per week with no mandatory prep time. You're right, I am a big boy. Thanks for the reminder. I like the way my coworkers sound, and I have a good intuitive feeling about this job. I'm going to go with it. I thank you very much for your thoughtful input. This discussion was just what I needed. Thanks again, to both of you. |
Just be CAREFUL about that contact hour thing.
HOW MANY CLASSES do you teach and what is a contact hour??
Most schools consider a 50 minute class and 10 minute break to be a contact hour (1500 minutes in front of the class per week).
Many kindy schools consider a 40/45 minute class = 1 contact hour. (1350 minutes in front of the class per week).
Some schools consider a 40 minute class = 40 contact minutes so you end up teaching up to 160 classes per month. (1800 minutes in front of the class per week) THIS SUCKS.
ASK BEFORE you sign on the dotted line. |
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