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Lizara
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There's always one or two set of eyes (who aren't on breaks & another which includes the secretary) in every school, and someone should be located so they can see who's coming in that door. Perhaps people should monitor the kids to make sure they are being safe. Don't you agree? |
No, actually. In every school I've worked at this wasn't really practical. Of course the teachers or secretaries should stop kids if they see them coming in with something that looks dangerous, just like every teacher at every school I've been at tells the kids not to run down the stairs, but secretaries have other things to do, head teachers are often busy in meetings with whoever, teachers need time to prepare for classes and go to the bathroom, etc., etc. Do what you can to prevent accidents, by all means, but kids are kids and unless you're going to start installing metal detectors and security guards... and, as airport security stories show, even then... things are going to happen. I hope that if someone had seen that kid's gun before he got to class, they would have taken it from him. If not then they should have. But without knowing the situation I don't think it's fair to accuse the teacher of negligence. |
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alabamaman
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| Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 8:54 am Post subject: |
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| In a well supervised environment this wouldn't have happened. When I was working with jeuveniles out of the state training schools in a wilderness camp, there was never one case where a child brought a weapon such as a BB gun on property. If that were to happen it would be every worker's problem associated with that child. There seems to be a lack of accountability, and people willing to work a little harder at supervising children. I will go on the record as saying, " it's everyones problem at that school!" |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 3:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Haha, on Friday a kid brought a loaded BB gun to my class and started "jokingly" threatening me and the fellow students with it. Granted, it wouldn't have killed anyone, but it sure could have taken out an eye. I immediatly went to tell my co-teacher and asked if she could remove the gun and the student from my class. She just sighed and gave me a look as if to say "so, what else is new?" Nothing came of it. By the way, this kid beat the crap out of another student on the school bus coz the other student "looked too Western." There was no disciplinary action for this incident either, save a phone call home to some very uninterested parents. |
How did that kid walk into your workplace with a loaded BB gun under supervision from workers at your school, and procede into your classroom with it? Personally, that's what I would like to know. You're part of the supervision problem at your school. I highly suggest sitting down with your coworkers and having a serious talk on the matter. |
I saw the same thing happen at my old hogwan, and no one did a bloody thing. It was one of the reasons I decided I just had to jump ship and get the hell away from there. |
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chilgok007
Joined: 28 May 2006
Location: Chilgok
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| Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 12:51 am Post subject: |
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| chilgok007 wrote: |
| Haha, on Friday a kid brought a loaded BB gun to my class and started "jokingly" threatening me and the fellow students with it. Granted, it wouldn't have killed anyone, but it sure could have taken out an eye. I immediatly went to tell my co-teacher and asked if she could remove the gun and the student from my class. She just sighed and gave me a look as if to say "so, what else is new?" Nothing came of it. By the way, this kid beat the crap out of another student on the school bus coz the other student "looked too Western." There was no disciplinary action for this incident either, save a phone call home to some very uninterested parents. |
How did that kid walk into your workplace with a loaded BB gun under supervision from workers at your school, and procede into your classroom with it? Personally, that's what I would like to know. You're part of the supervision problem at your school. I highly suggest sitting down with your coworkers and having a serious talk on the matter. |
He brought it in his backpack. As I mentioned in my post, I did tell my co-teacher and later my boss about the incident. I already mentioned my coteacher's response, and my boss said she'd "look into it." What should the school do? Install metal detectors? Prohibit kids from bringing backpacks? Search every kid's backpack? Maybe even give them a full-cavity search too, while there at it?
Seriously though, alabamaman, what concrete measures should my school do to prevent such incidents from happening in the future?
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chilgok007
Joined: 28 May 2006
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| Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 1:01 am Post subject: |
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| And regardless of how well supervised a school is, regardless of how much attention the staff gives to the students, there's always going to be kids who fall through the cracks. If a kid is determined to bring a BB gun or a box cutter or worse to class he's gonna do it, especially in a relativly safe country like Korea where people aren't really on the look out for such things. |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 1:16 am Post subject: |
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| You can't really do anything about the boxcutters when every kid's got one in her pencil case. However, if I every say a BB-gun I would confiscate it immediately and give it to the student's homeroom teacher. The former's just an accepted part of school kit but the latter would never be tolerated at public school - if a hogwan is allowing that sort of thing it's probably best for the foreigner, not the kid, to leave. |
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Pak Yu Man
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| Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 2:39 am Post subject: |
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Don't give stuff to the homeroom teacher. They'll just give it back the same day. Keep it. for a month or so.
I once had a kid wave a knife at me. Grabed his wrist, bent it behind his back. Took the knife and carefully broke the blade. Never had that problem again. Kid was scared of me for the rest of the year. You know he's not going to tell his mom "I pointed my blade at the teacher and he hurt my wrist". |
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Yu_Bum_suk
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| Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 3:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Pak Yu Man wrote: |
| Don't give stuff to the homeroom teacher. They'll just give it back the same day. Keep it. for a month or so. |
It depends on the homeroom teacher. Some will confiscate handphones for two weeks and one once permenantly kept a confiscated bottle of nail polish I gave her. |
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Richard Krainium
Joined: 12 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 3:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
| Pak Yu Man wrote: |
| Don't give stuff to the homeroom teacher. They'll just give it back the same day. Keep it. for a month or so. |
It depends on the homeroom teacher. Some will confiscate handphones for two weeks and one once permenantly kept a confiscated bottle of nail polish I gave her. |
She must of liked the color!  |
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Yu_Bum_suk
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| Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 3:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Richard Krainium wrote: |
| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
| Pak Yu Man wrote: |
| Don't give stuff to the homeroom teacher. They'll just give it back the same day. Keep it. for a month or so. |
It depends on the homeroom teacher. Some will confiscate handphones for two weeks and one once permenantly kept a confiscated bottle of nail polish I gave her. |
She must of liked the color! |
Indeed, I think she did. |
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Homer
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| Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 3:00 am Post subject: |
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| That kid NEVER comes into your class again. NEVER - period. Not even after a couple of months face-saving absense. If the school slips the kid back in quietly (as they do), don't teach the class until the kid leaves the room. |
Yes of course...that is the proper response and not excessive at all. It is not over reacting or going overboard.
The kid should have been hauled in to the principals or directors office. Talking to your co-teacher was not a bad idea either. They are kids, and kids do stupid things that just goes with the territory! |
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chilgok007
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| Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 4:05 am Post subject: |
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It happened again today!!!!!!
I sh*t you not! Same class, different kid. Much nicer BB gun if I may say so myself. I politely asked the kid to hand it over, and when he refused, I dragged my co-teacher out of her class to confiscate it. She argued with him for a good 5 minutes until he finally relented. She gave the gun to the boss, who, after class, promptly returned the gun to it's rightful owner.
(I'm at a Hakwon not a public school, by the way) |
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alabamaman
Joined: 25 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 7:57 pm Post subject: |
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It happened again today!!!!!!
I sh*t you not! Same class, different kid. Much nicer BB gun if I may say so myself. I politely asked the kid to hand it over, and when he refused, I dragged my co-teacher out of her class to confiscate it. She argued with him for a good 5 minutes until he finally relented. She gave the gun to the boss, who, after class, promptly returned the gun to it's rightful owner.
(I'm at a Hakwon not a public school, by the way) |
I would meet the two students at the front door of the building (with a Koreann Teacher), and check their bags.
Inform them your are doing it for the safety of the students.
If you see a Red Ryder in their bags, then they don't enter the building until the guns are handed over to you, and only you!
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chilgok007
Joined: 28 May 2006
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| Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 2:20 am Post subject: |
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| I'm one step ahead if ya... Upon entering the classroom today I went right for the kids bags and gave them a good once-over. I let them know that if the guns should appear again in my classroom, they were mine and I wasn't going to give them back. There were no protests and both did apologize and promised not to bring them. I figure I'll keep this up for a few weeks, we'll see what happens. |
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