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flakfizer
Joined: 12 Nov 2004
Location: scaling the Cliffs of Insanity with a frayed rope.
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I think it's a bit jinjurious to say that golf is not a sport, but I agree with the principle that golf is certainly not much of a sport. A sport is a game that requires athletic ability. The basic athetlic abilities would include things like speed, strength, hand-eye coordination, endurance, jumping, and flexibility. Golf requires none of these except strength. And it's not like those golfers are real muscular. I mean, they don't even carry their own clubs, do they?
I'm not sure why someone mentioned that golf is the "ultimate sport" because you just play against the course. How does that make it ultimate? You don't have to play against a determined defender. You don't have to play against the clock. You don't even have to deal with crowd noise. Your opponent is a bunch of well-maintained grass. Ooooh. That's ultimate? |
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Doogie
Joined: 19 Jan 2006
Location: Hwaseong City
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| inspector gadget wrote: |
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Wayne Gretzky was quoted as saying "Tiger Woods is the greatest athlete ever".
A nice compliment coming from the "great one" who by the way has probaly re-written the record books in his sport like no other has a in the history of sport.
Bye the way yesterday Tiger won his 5th straight tournament shooting a 63 coming back and over taking Vijay Singh who at the beginning fo the day led by two strokes. |
5 straight now?! Man, it's starting to look like his 2000-2001 season all over again. This guy's in a league of his own. |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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If you wear slacks its not a sport, so then you don't consider Cricket a sport???????
So walking 16 miles and hittilng the ball (correctly) about 300 times in a 72 hole golf tournament requires less athleticism than
a relief pitcher in baseball???
a goalkeeper in soccer???
a DH in baseball???
a field goal kicker in football???
a punter in football???
an offensive lineman in football??? |
Walking 16 miles doesnt make it a sport. Dude, I walk that easily every saturday. Im out the door with my camera at 5 am and Im back home after lunch or before dinner. I usually cover about that distance just walking around. Does it make photography a sport? No.
baseball is a sort of sport
the GK in soccer does a hell of a lot more in terms of athleticism than a golfer ever will.
football isnt a sport so the kicker, punter and linemen arent atheletes. |
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maniitok
Joined: 17 Nov 2005
Location: suwon, south korea
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| Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 7:33 pm Post subject: Tiger could be even better if he looses the Nike clubs |
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Other pro golfers have pointed out that Tiger is under-achieving (compared to his actual skill) because he is shooting with Nike golf clubs.
Consider this. Nike was in the business of making ice-skates. Skates are like golf clubs in that they are highly technical pieces of sports equipment. Nike left the skate business because it couldn't produce respectable high tech skates in it's 3rd world factories. Afterwards, Nike bought Bauer to bring good skates into its line-up.
If Tiger shot with PING's he'd improve his shot making even more.
unbelievable,
elliot
PS. I'd give my vote for best athlete to Tiger or Rowdy Roddy Piper.
The piper kept WWF thriving when Hulk was merely trying to maintain his lame pose. Other notable WWF personalities were only entertaining for a few minutes (Dr. Fufi, George "the animal" steele, Iron Sheik). The Golden era of WWF came to an end once the piper left (lame wrestlers like coco beware, million dollar man, and more boring Hulk). |
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Zulu
Joined: 28 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 1:43 am Post subject: Re: Tiger Woods....Greatest Sports Icon Ever? |
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| Well, he's 30 years old and he won his 12th major today (PGA). I was reading an article on MSNBC today about how he compares to the other greats in sports. The writer was saying that Woods will probably surpass other sports icons like Ali, Jordan, Gretzky, Joe Montana and even Babe Ruth by the time he's done. I'm a huge golf fan and a also a fan of Tiger. However, I think it's really hard to compare greats from different sports, especially team sports vs. individual sports. Anyway, just thought I'd throw this out there and see if anyone had any thoughts. |
Well, Tiger has slipped from #1 from time to time, unlike Gretzky and some of the others. Equating him with Jordan seems absurd. Plus, it's only golf. It's even a stretch to call that a sport. Game? OK. Athletic? Nooooooooo. We might as well include the tiddlywink champion.
By the way, Gretzky is known for his politeness and humility. He even called Dominek Hasek "the greatest hockey player in the world". Hasek was certainly a legendary goalie, one of the best ever but not many would equate him with 'the Great One'. So take I'd take his Tiger compliment with a big grain of salt. Not saying Tiger isn't one of the best golfers of all time, just that Gretzky and Jordan are in a different category of athleticism. |
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maniitok
Joined: 17 Nov 2005
Location: suwon, south korea
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| Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 5:09 am Post subject: Golf: The Sporstman's Sport |
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Well Doogie,
You have a spirited opinion but you are a little misinformed. Simply, pro athletes of all sports play golf. Golf is the sport of sportsman because it is the most difficult to perfect. I've played all types of sports (ice hockey, rugby, football, soccer, baseball, tennis, etc) and golf is by far the most difficult to play. I'm saying this as a non-golf enthusiast. I don't like golf or Tiger Woods much but I have to present the facts.
Futhermore, Gretzsky can't be considered the greatest athlete because most people have never heard of him. I love hockey but it is a niche sport for cold places (hence, the empty Hurricanes and coyotes arenas).
As I say this, I realize that Beckham is more famous than Tiger but Beckham doesn't dominate the sport like Tiger does. Furthermore, Gretzsky was a major force but spent many years not producing for his respective clubs. |
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flakfizer
Joined: 12 Nov 2004
Location: scaling the Cliffs of Insanity with a frayed rope.
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| Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 5:35 am Post subject: Re: Golf: The Sporstman's Sport |
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| maniitok wrote: |
Well Doogie,
You have a spirited opinion but you are a little misinformed. Simply, pro athletes of all sports play golf. Golf is the sport of sportsman because it is the most difficult to perfect. I've played all types of sports (ice hockey, rugby, football, soccer, baseball, tennis, etc) and golf is by far the most difficult to play. I'm saying this as a non-golf enthusiast. I don't like golf or Tiger Woods much but I have to present the facts.
Futhermore, Gretzsky can't be considered the greatest athlete because most people have never heard of him. I love hockey but it is a niche sport for cold places (hence, the empty Hurricanes and coyotes arenas).
As I say this, I realize that Beckham is more famous than Tiger but Beckham doesn't dominate the sport like Tiger does. Furthermore, Gretzsky was a major force but spent many years not producing for his respective clubs. |
This post is hilarious. First off, Doogie didn't write the post you are reponding to, Zulu did. Second, you use the term misinformed rather oddly. What misinformation are you referring to? Lots of sportsman play golf. So what? Exactly how do you reach the conclusion that they do so "because it is the most difficult to play?" Was there some survey among top athletes you'd like to cite where they all say, "Sure, I've reached the top of my sport, but I'd trade it all to take 3 strokes off my golf game." I would guess the reason so many athletes play golf for fun is because there is little chance of them injuring themselves and thereby preventing them from performing at their much more demanding sports.
You say you've played all kinds of sports and golf is the most difficult to play. Rather anecdotal, but please tell us; was it difficult because of the amount of athleticism it required? Were you gasping for breath as you strolled about the course? Were your coordination and reflexes put to the test as you attempted to strike a completely stationary ball? Was the weight of the golf club you brandished sapping your strength? Did you pull a muscle adjusting your visor? Even Jinju already spoke to the irrelevancy of difficulty. There are innumerable activities in life that are difficult that require little to no athleticism. |
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maniitok
Joined: 17 Nov 2005
Location: suwon, south korea
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| Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 6:25 am Post subject: hillarious |
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Go back and look at Zuzu's point. He said golf is not a sport because it doesn't take any athleticism. NO way could Tiger ever be compared to a real athlete like Wayne or MJ.
He is misinformed because athletes such as MJ comment on the complexity and athletic difficulty golf really takes. Have you ever watched any of the celebrity golf tournaments??? I just watched MJ's celebrity golf tournament and after every bad swing he made comments to the effect of, "This is why I played basketball." His teammate during the tournament said "Michael's a great athlete on any field" and Michael's response was "I'm great at basketball but golf is a whole different game." But if you watch any celebrity golf tournament you'll hear the athletes making similar comments because they have mics when they play.
Misinformed means wrong information. The athletes Zuzu says are much better than Tiger, themselves, comment on the difficulty of golf.
You guys are starting from a anti-golf stance. I'm neutral.
Webster's Dictionary definition for Misinformed
1 a : badly : wrongly <misjudge> b : unfavorably <misesteem> c : in a suspicious manner <misdoubt>
2 : bad : wrong <misdeed>
3 : opposite or lack of <mistrust>
4 : not <misknow>
You might be able to form a logical argument if you'd stop with the extreme sarcasm (lowest form of comedy) . Until then, I'll respond to your sarcastic diatribe.
Some sports require intense physical and/or mental stamina over a short period of time. Other sports require less physical and/or mental stamina over a prolonged period of time. Often, sports that don't require intense physical stamina (like golf) make up for it with an intense amount of mental stamina. This is where golf comes into play (pun intended). You have to keep your shit together for a weekend. It doesn't make it any less of a sport because it requires less physical stamina. Also, consider the fact that the ball to field ratio for golf is unbelievable compared to most sports. It's difficult and when you factor in competitive play - it makes golf one of the most difficult sport to play which is why many pro athletes like MJ, Mario Lemieux, and many others really enjoy it.
It is a sport by definition so we must move to the more logical question - is it difficult? MJ says "YES". I think he is an authority on sports.
Basically your diatribe comes from the myth that golf is a slacker, rich person sport. It really isn't. Golf like tennis is extremely stressful and challenging (athletically) because golfers play year round. Same is true of tennis players. They play 12 months out of the year. Tennis also gets mythologized as a slacker sport. Basically, players play 4 hour matches, every other day for 3 weeks in a tournament. Grueling.
Webster's defination of an athlete
a person who is trained or skilled in exercises, sports, or games requiring physical strength, agility, or stamina
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HapKi
Joined: 10 Dec 2004
Location: TALL BUILDING-SEOUL
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| Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 7:11 am Post subject: |
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Flakfizer-
Your attitude on this thread since the beginning has been aggressive, and your main goal seems to be having a insulting tone towards those that don't agree with you. I find this funny, as most evidence you've shown to support your Jordan/Icon argument has been shaky and/or fully collapsed. Combined with the fact that you haven't said anything of substance since page 5, when you cut and pasted Jordan stats from Wiki. Giving up on Jordan, you're now criticizing golf and those that play it. Fine. Consider this my "Debunk Flakfizer" post.
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| When I first came to Korea, all the boys wanted to be named "Michael" or "Jordan." |
You call this data?
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| The Bulls will never be the same without MJ. |
Maybe not. But also Pippen, or Grant, or Armstrong, or Rodman, or Jackson
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Just went to Google and searched for the following:
Muhammad Ali, Pele, Ronaldo, David Beckham, Tiger Woods, and Michael Jordan. The results?
Pele: 10,600,000 results
Muhammad Ali: 11,800,000 results
David Beckham: 14,200,000 results
Ronaldo: 16,100,000 results
Tiger Woods: 26,500,000 results
Michael Jordan: 63,300,000 results.
Hmmm |
I wish I could have been there to see that tail of yours slowly go up between your legs when you were shown all your data was false. And it was your main argument!! Let's take a look at the real data, shall we?
Pele: 12,600,000 results
Muhammad Ali: 5,450,000 results
David Beckham: 11,400,000 results
Ronaldo: 23,700,000 results
Tiger Woods: 17,700,000 results
Michael Jordan: 10,700,000 results
Hmmmm. Jordan is bottom of the list, besting only Ali!! I wish you could have heard the laughs at my end. According to this, Ronaldo should be Icon Contender #1, but nobody on this thread has even mentioned him.
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| You're going off on some tangent about the way basketball stats are kept. What does that have to do with Jordan and the fact that he was awesome on both offense and defense? |
My "tangent" was to show that basketball stats are mostly offense oriented. I'm discussing the athletes and their play on the field. What about you?
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| World quotes, headlines on Michael Jordan's retirement |
So what?
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| That's ok, Jordan turns up more than twice as many search results as Woods and more than 4 times as many as some guy named Beckham. Then again, the Net isn't too popular with 50 year-old ladies. |
A yet-to-be-revealed ignorance, combined with biting sarcasm. A dangerous combination.
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| Other than in French, there are more hits for Jordan in all the languages I tried-including a host of European languages. So let me revise my earlier statement. If you wouldn't recognize MJ, you are probably a 50 year-old French woman. |
More ignorance.
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| Nevermind millions of google pages, Jlarter and his friends don't know MJ too well. I guess that settles it. And in an unusual twist, a man lifts up his extreme ignorance to prove that he is right. |
More ignorance, bordering on stupidity.
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| The other "arguments" on this thread use zero data. It's just a bunch of IMO crap. |
You pasted Jordan's MVP, Offense and Defense Team awards, and some others, along with a list of world headlines, and call this an argument?
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| But we do have the Net. I'm using it to find out who gets more search hits overall and in various languages/countries. MJ is coming out on top by miles and miles. You find fault with this method. But what has your method been to bring objectivity to this discussion? |
Again, your ignorance is not yet revealed, and hindsite is 20/20. But let it be said I found fault with your Google hits evidence from the beginning. My method has been comparing Tiger and Jordan in their respective sports, and Tiger has come out on top.
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| I will agree that Tiger dominates his sport more than MJ did |
Did I read this right? Sounds to me like your giving up on your argument, and on Jordan. Next thing you know, I'll have you out on the course practicing your swing.
And now your most recent comments-
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| A sport is a game that requires athletic ability. The basic athetlic abilities would include things like speed, strength, hand-eye coordination, endurance, jumping, and flexibility. Golf requires none of these except strength. And it's not like those golfers are real muscular. |
By reading this, I can tell you know nothing about golf. Yet that doesn't stop you from spewing. Speed? The amount of speed a golfer generates at impact with the club is amazing. Robots have been designed to recreate it. Hand-eye coordination? Hitting a small golf ball is unbelievably hard (I can't believe I'm responding to this). Endurance? Lots of walking. Its been covered. Not a lot of fat golfers out there. Flexibility? Large amounts of hip rotation, shoulder rotation, pivoting. Plus all the bending down to pick up your ball. Actually, the only thing a golfer doesn't need is the one thing you said he does. Strength. Look at womens' golf.
Stick to writing about things that you know about. Whatever that is?
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| I'm not sure why someone mentioned that golf is the "ultimate sport" because you just play against the course. How does that make it ultimate? You don't have to play against a determined defender. You don't have to play against the clock. You don't even have to deal with crowd noise. Your opponent is a bunch of well-maintained grass. Ooooh. That's ultimate? |
In golf, Tiger competes against 150 or so of the world's best, week after week. And everyone's competing to make the cut, and a paycheck. In basketball, Jordan's racking up stats playing against a team of 5 that may or may not be all that good. (Look at the 1992 Kings, or Timberwolves, or countless other teams.) Salaried multi-year contract players that may or may not be in competition for the playoff. |
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Doogie
Joined: 19 Jan 2006
Location: Hwaseong City
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| Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 4:20 pm Post subject: Re: Tiger Woods....Greatest Sports Icon Ever? |
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| Well, he's 30 years old and he won his 12th major today (PGA). I was reading an article on MSNBC today about how he compares to the other greats in sports. The writer was saying that Woods will probably surpass other sports icons like Ali, Jordan, Gretzky, Joe Montana and even Babe Ruth by the time he's done. I'm a huge golf fan and a also a fan of Tiger. However, I think it's really hard to compare greats from different sports, especially team sports vs. individual sports. Anyway, just thought I'd throw this out there and see if anyone had any thoughts. |
Well, Tiger has slipped from #1 from time to time, unlike Gretzky and some of the others. Equating him with Jordan seems absurd. Plus, it's only golf. It's even a stretch to call that a sport. Game? OK. Athletic? Nooooooooo. We might as well include the tiddlywink champion.
By the way, Gretzky is known for his politeness and humility. He even called Dominek Hasek "the greatest hockey player in the world". Hasek was certainly a legendary goalie, one of the best ever but not many would equate him with 'the Great One'. So take I'd take his Tiger compliment with a big grain of salt. Not saying Tiger isn't one of the best golfers of all time, just that Gretzky and Jordan are in a different category of athleticism. |
Golf is as much a sport as any other. Some sports require more physicality and some sports require more skill, touch and hand-eye coordination. I grew up playing soccer, hockey and golf. Nothing is tougher to master than hitting a golf ball consistently well. It takes an insane amount of practice to be a really good golfer. Also, most professional golfers are good athletes these days. They have to be to compete at a high level. Tiger was the one that really set the bar for fitness on the PGA tour. |
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flakfizer
Joined: 12 Nov 2004
Location: scaling the Cliffs of Insanity with a frayed rope.
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| Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 4:51 pm Post subject: |
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Flakfizer-
Your attitude on this thread since the beginning has been aggressive, and your main goal seems to be having a insulting tone towards those that don't agree with you. I find this funny, as most evidence you've shown to support your Jordan/Icon argument has been shaky and/or fully collapsed. Combined with the fact that you haven't said anything of substance since page 5, when you cut and pasted Jordan stats from Wiki. Giving up on Jordan, you're now criticizing golf and those that play it. Fine. Consider this my "Debunk Flakfizer" post.
Some of your gems-
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| When I first came to Korea, all the boys wanted to be named "Michael" or "Jordan." |
You call this data?
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| The Bulls will never be the same without MJ. |
Maybe not. But also Pippen, or Grant, or Armstrong, or Rodman, or Jackson
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Just went to Google and searched for the following:
Muhammad Ali, Pele, Ronaldo, David Beckham, Tiger Woods, and Michael Jordan. The results?
Pele: 10,600,000 results
Muhammad Ali: 11,800,000 results
David Beckham: 14,200,000 results
Ronaldo: 16,100,000 results
Tiger Woods: 26,500,000 results
Michael Jordan: 63,300,000 results.
Hmmm |
I wish I could have been there to see that tail of yours slowly go up between your legs when you were shown all your data was false. And it was your main argument!! Let's take a look at the real data, shall we?
Pele: 12,600,000 results
Muhammad Ali: 5,450,000 results
David Beckham: 11,400,000 results
Ronaldo: 23,700,000 results
Tiger Woods: 17,700,000 results
Michael Jordan: 10,700,000 results
Hmmmm. Jordan is bottom of the list, besting only Ali!! I wish you could have heard the laughs at my end. According to this, Ronaldo should be Icon Contender #1, but nobody on this thread has even mentioned him.
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| You're going off on some tangent about the way basketball stats are kept. What does that have to do with Jordan and the fact that he was awesome on both offense and defense? |
My "tangent" was to show that basketball stats are mostly offense oriented. I'm discussing the athletes and their play on the field. What about you?
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| World quotes, headlines on Michael Jordan's retirement |
So what?
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| That's ok, Jordan turns up more than twice as many search results as Woods and more than 4 times as many as some guy named Beckham. Then again, the Net isn't too popular with 50 year-old ladies. |
A yet-to-be-revealed ignorance, combined with biting sarcasm. A dangerous combination.
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| Other than in French, there are more hits for Jordan in all the languages I tried-including a host of European languages. So let me revise my earlier statement. If you wouldn't recognize MJ, you are probably a 50 year-old French woman. |
More ignorance.
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| Nevermind millions of google pages, Jlarter and his friends don't know MJ too well. I guess that settles it. And in an unusual twist, a man lifts up his extreme ignorance to prove that he is right. |
More ignorance, bordering on stupidity.
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| The other "arguments" on this thread use zero data. It's just a bunch of IMO crap. |
You pasted Jordan's MVP, Offense and Defense Team awards, and some others, along with a list of world headlines, and call this an argument?
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| But we do have the Net. I'm using it to find out who gets more search hits overall and in various languages/countries. MJ is coming out on top by miles and miles. You find fault with this method. But what has your method been to bring objectivity to this discussion? |
Again, your ignorance is not yet revealed, and hindsite is 20/20. But let it be said I found fault with your Google hits evidence from the beginning. My method has been comparing Tiger and Jordan in their respective sports, and Tiger has come out on top.
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| I will agree that Tiger dominates his sport more than MJ did |
Did I read this right? Sounds to me like your giving up on your argument, and on Jordan. Next thing you know, I'll have you out on the course practicing your swing.
And now your most recent comments-
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| A sport is a game that requires athletic ability. The basic athetlic abilities would include things like speed, strength, hand-eye coordination, endurance, jumping, and flexibility. Golf requires none of these except strength. And it's not like those golfers are real muscular. |
By reading this, I can tell you know nothing about golf. Yet that doesn't stop you from spewing. Speed? The amount of speed a golfer generates at impact with the club is amazing. Robots have been designed to recreate it. Hand-eye coordination? Hitting a small golf ball is unbelievably hard (I can't believe I'm responding to this). Endurance? Lots of walking. Its been covered. Not a lot of fat golfers out there. Flexibility? Large amounts of hip rotation, shoulder rotation, pivoting. Plus all the bending down to pick up your ball. Actually, the only thing a golfer doesn't need is the one thing you said he does. Strength. Look at womens' golf.
Stick to writing about things that you know about. Whatever that is?
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| I'm not sure why someone mentioned that golf is the "ultimate sport" because you just play against the course. How does that make it ultimate? You don't have to play against a determined defender. You don't have to play against the clock. You don't even have to deal with crowd noise. Your opponent is a bunch of well-maintained grass. Ooooh. That's ultimate? |
In golf, Tiger competes against 150 or so of the world's best, week after week. And everyone's competing to make the cut, and a paycheck. In basketball, Jordan's racking up stats playing against a team of 5 that may or may not be all that good. (Look at the 1992 Kings, or Timberwolves, or countless other teams.) Salaried multi-year contract players that may or may not be in competition for the playoff. |
Well, you've obviously put a lot of time into this. Golf must really mean a lot to you. I hope you didn't get too upset when you read that Happeninthang, jinju, I and others don't consider golf to be in the same class of sports as bball, soccer or boxing. I will respond to the parts of this post that are not redundant, which is most of it.
Most quotes are simply ripped out of context. For example, I quoted European headlines not show that MJ is an icon (I've already stated this) but to show a particular poster that he was certainly heard of in Europe.
Ironically, you exult in the google search results after you had earlier called them meaningless. Suddenly, you find meaning in them. I did not have my "tail between my legs." Just go back and check my response to Thundarr. I said he made a good point and that I had overlooked an important aspect of search result data. When you make good point, I will acknowledge that too. You brought it up because of petty vindictiveness and wish to assail a poster rather than a viewpoint. That's understandable. As for your statement that "My method has been comparing Tiger and Jordan in their respective sports, and Tiger has come out on top." I think we saw how objective you were in that comparison. And as you pointed out, I freely admit that Woods dominates golf more than Jordan did in bball. But that does not prove Woods is the bigger icon. People feel differently about those two sports as we have seen even on this thread.
As for the rest of your post, I can pretty much sum it up by quoting you.
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| "Speed? The amount of speed a golfer generates at impact with the club is amazing. Robots have been designed to recreate it. Hand-eye coordination? Hitting a small golf ball is unbelievably hard (I can't believe I'm responding to this). Endurance? Lots of walking. Its been covered. Not a lot of fat golfers out there. Flexibility? Large amounts of hip rotation, shoulder rotation, pivoting. Plus all the bending down to pick up your ball. Actually, the only thing a golfer doesn't need is the one thing you said he does. Strength. Look at womens' golf." |
Speed=club speed? Hand-eye coordination=hitting a stationary ball? Endurance=walking? Flexibilty=bending down to pick up your ball?
No, I don't think we will ever agree as to what athleticism is.
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happeningthang
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jinju
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When druink, 50 something business men consider golf their "sport" of choice, its not a sport. Its a game for making business deals. Its like an aerobic (barely) business meeting with sun and beer. Guys with huge pot bellies play it. It aint a sport.
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I walk about as much as a professional golfer would in a round, every saturday with my camera. Doesnt mean photography is a sport, does it? Fat golfers? Look at John Daly. Go to any country club and you will see fat, old, out of shape guys playing golf. Golf is the perfect "sport" for fat and out of shape people. Golf has more fat and out of shape people playing it than any other sport in the world, probably combined. Golf was created for old and/or fat people. Its not a sport. Its simply a game. |
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inspector gadget
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| Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 9:30 pm Post subject: |
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Jinju,
don't try and copmpare walking around on saturday with you f//king camera to golf, get real that is just moronic in nature.
Go and watch a pga tour event live and see what these guys do for four day in a row and tell me that they are not athletes. As mentioned previuosly the golf swing itself is very difficult and to do it properly on a consistant basis it requires an athlete.
Don't mix up amateur golf with pro golf, leave the country club people out of it.
Sure there are some fat golfers on the tour. Likewise can be said for the sports of baseball (david wells among others), football (any offensive lineman), cricket and rugby (some of the big guys up front). |
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rawiri
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| Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 9:41 pm Post subject: Re: Tiger Woods....Greatest Sports Icon Ever? |
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[quote="Doogie"][. Also, most professional golfers are good athletes these days. They have to be to compete at a high level. Tiger was the one that really set the bar for fitness on the PGA tour.[/quote]
Actually, i'd say that was Gary Player back in the 70's, 80's, 90's. he does At least 1000 situps every day combined with resistance and cardio training. |
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