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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004 Location: Goseong
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Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 5:33 pm Post subject: ABC controversy over the miniseries "the path to 9/11&q |
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Laying Blame and Passing the Buck, Dramatized
By ALESSANDRA STANLEY
Published: September 8, 2006
THE first words spoken on �The Path to 9/11� are at check-in at Logan Airport at 7:13 a.m. �O.K., Mr. Atta,� an American Airlines agent says over the clickety-clack of computer keys. �One way, nonstop to Los Angeles, no return.�
Moments before American Airlines Flight 11 hits its target, ABC�s mini-series pivots back 8� years to a Ryder rental van that blew up in the parking garage of the World Trade Center on Feb. 26, 1993.
And the events leading up to disaster unfold like a spy thriller. The two-part narrative, which ABC is scheduled to broadcast Sunday and Monday night, follows a few men and women who took the Osama bin Laden threat seriously and devoted their careers to battling it. Many are real, like the former F.B.I. counterterrorism expert John P. O�Neill, who died at the World Trade Center on Sept. 11 and who is played by Harvey Keitel. A few are composites, like an intrepid C.I.A. officer with the code name Kirk (Donnie Wahlberg).
The terrorists are ruthless and implacable. Some foreign informants and obscure civil servants turn out to be inspiringly tough-minded and smart: low profiles in courage. But �The Path to 9/11� is an unsparing, and at times hyperbolic, portrait of bureaucratic turf wars, buck passing and complacency. Senior managers at the F.B.I. and C.I.A. are overwhelmed and quicker to protect their own hides than national security. It�s always the enemy within that nettles the most.
ABC has been under assault by bloggers and former officials who claim the film paints an unfairly censorious portrait of the Clinton administration, with a lobbying campaign reminiscent of the one that drove CBS to cancel �The Reagans� biopic in 2003. (CBS�s parent company, Viacom, kicked it to the cable channel Showtime.) Some kind of reaction was inevitable this time.
All mini-series Photoshop the facts. �The Path to 9/11� is not a documentary, or even a docu-drama; it is a fictionalized account of what took place. It relies on the report of the Sept. 11 commission, the King James version of all Sept. 11 accounts, as well as other material and memoirs. Some scenes come straight from the writers� imaginations. Yet any depiction of those times would have to focus on those who were in charge, and by their own accounts mistakes were made.
The first bombing of the World Trade Center happened on Bill Clinton�s watch. So did the 1998 embassy bombings in Kenya and Tanzania and the 2000 attack on the U.S.S. Cole in Yemen. The president�s staff � and the civil servants who worked for them � witnessed the danger of Al Qaeda close up and personally. Some even lost their lives.
In 2001 President Bush and his newly appointed aides had ample warning, including a briefing paper titled �Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S.,� and they failed to take it seriously enough, but their missteps are not equal. It�s like focusing blame for a school shooting at the beginning of the school year on the student�s new home room teacher; the adults who watched the boy torment classmates and poison small animals knew better. (It�s safe to assume that any future mini-series about American foreign policy will not delve flatteringly into Mr. Bush�s march to war in Iraq.)
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/08/arts/television/08path.html |
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Octavius Hite

Joined: 28 Jan 2004 Location: Househunting, looking for a new bunker from which to convert the world to homosexuality.
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Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 7:24 pm Post subject: |
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Does anyone remember the Regan miniseries a year or two back. The Right wing went crazy because it wouldn't portray him as the epic mind that he was, lol. Its funny, when the left makes a realistic docudrama about a very controversial character its all lies. when the right does it and its cleary false in some regards its ok. I'm so glad i'm not from that country. |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004 Location: Goseong
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Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 7:52 pm Post subject: |
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Octavius Hite wrote: |
Does anyone remember the Regan miniseries a year or two back. The Right wing went crazy because it wouldn't portray him as the epic mind that he was, lol. Its funny, when the left makes a realistic docudrama about a very controversial character its all lies. when the right does it and its cleary false in some regards its ok. I'm so glad i'm not from that country. |
Conservatives don't have a memory or a conscience. They'd rather scream about free speech and call liberals hipocritical then admit that the movie is a piece of their revisionist history. |
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laogaiguk

Joined: 06 Dec 2005 Location: somewhere in Korea
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004 Location: Goseong
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Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 12:21 am Post subject: |
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They need to put the disclaimer, "Funded by the American Taliban Party" |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 5:15 am Post subject: |
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I'm so glad i'm not from that country.
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For once, we are in agreement. |
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sundubuman
Joined: 04 Feb 2003 Location: seoul
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Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 8:44 am Post subject: |
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Octavius Hite wrote: |
I'm so glad i'm not from that country. |
So am I really......I am really really glad about it.....a person so obsessed with another country makes a piss-poor citizen of his own, often diminutive nation, let alone a citizen of the world's greatest country. who would want you?
Let's all raise a toast to your non-americanness!!!! Here here!
Stay far far away......even if your psyche is addicted to thinking about America. Keep your thoughts cloistered to the web and impressionable young Asians.
Meanwhile.....America moves on....to torment you another day. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 9:04 am Post subject: |
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Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
Octavius Hite wrote: |
I'm so glad i'm not from that country.
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For once, we are in agreement. |
*Snort* |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004 Location: Goseong
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Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2006 3:49 am Post subject: |
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Geez...please let me into Canada! The government has been overrun by the gestapo. |
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 9:31 pm Post subject: |
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Which one? The way Harper is cozying up to the Bush administration, I'm not entirely sure Canada is any better off.
But back to the thread topic:
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Sunday, September 10: Weekend Edition Special Report
Top 10 Errors: ABC Corporation's Distortion of History Far-Reaching, Joe Conason [numbers ours]
http://www.bushwatch.com/ |
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Gopher

Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 10:12 pm Post subject: |
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...ABC Corporation's Distortion of History |
The politics -- including the student movements and calls for seizing professional organizations, destruction of the universities, and bringing about violent revolution -- of the Vietnam era smashed all consensus in the United States -- in the academe and in national politics at large.
We have not been able to recover from this. Not only is there no consensus on anything, but everyone has split into a million pieces, each with his or her own "truth" about history and each, most unfortunately, peddling his or her own myths (the far left, the far right, women, blacks, gays and lesbians...the list goes on, apparently infinitely).
So, no matter what is said, about Reagan and his life or about 9/11, someone, somewhere -- indeed, many -- will violently object that it "distorts history," that they cannot stand to hear this version, and therefore it must be removed, deleted, or countered with a new, "more objective" version.
But I challenge anyone here, especially a righteous Canadian like Octavius, to produce a historical statement on any issue at all that can generate a consensus in the United States (and elsewhere in the English-speaking world) like the one that emerged in America during the years following the Second World War. You simply can not do it. The process that smashed this consensus replaced it with the nothingness of atomized political discourse.
These issues are traced and explained in painstaking detail in Novick's That Noble Dream: The Objectivity Question and the American Historical Profession, by the way. (I think I have cited this a few times before here; it is well worth your time to read it.) |
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freethought
Joined: 13 Mar 2005
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Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 11:13 pm Post subject: |
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The piece of fiction that will air on ABC is exactly that, and can/will likely be subject to legal action, I should think.
But with regards to the idea that Clinton and the democrats are somehow to blame, that's nonsense. The Clinton administration was highly focussed on bin Laden especially from about 1997 on. The Bush admin completely ignored the man from the moment they took office.
But we've mentioned Reagan so far in this thread, and that is where a lot of the blame lies. Not with the man, because in my opinion the guy had little actual control of his own administration, and that's why the admin at large is responsible. You remove Afghanistan from the AlQaeda equation and you don't have much of an organization. The US policy in the 80s was to back the most radical extremist in Afghanistan, and this support continued well after the Soviets had announced a pull-out. Had they decided not to go for the out and out humiliation of the Soviets to send Reagan off with a bang, then the country may have been far more stable, and the initial stirrings that gave rise to the Taliban would never have occurred. The people of Afghanistan would have been better off, for certain, and odds are that few of us would have heard of Alqaeda.
The fact that something like this can air is a sign that Americans everywhere need to give serious consideration to the state of the media in the nation. If I were to draw a parallel, a loose one, it would be like ABC making a documentary about the moon landing and giving credit for the idea/vision to Nixon, who was in the oval office at the time.
Credit where Credit is due. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003 Location: I walk along the avenue
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Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 12:56 am Post subject: |
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Gopher wrote:
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But I challenge anyone here, especially a righteous Canadian like Octavius, to produce a historical statement on any issue at all that can generate a consensus in the United States (and elsewhere in the English-speaking world) like the one that emerged in America during the years following the Second World War. You simply can not do it. The process that smashed this consensus replaced it with the nothingness of atomized political discourse.
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Gopher:
If the consensus was so strong, how come it collapsed so easily following the campus revolts that you cite in your opening paragraph? I think most residents of Korea would agree that if a few Korean students started occupying university buildings under the banner of "Dokdo is Japanese territory!" and "Let's have more pro-Japanese history in the classroom!", the movement would fail to expand beyond a few dozen miscreants, and certainly would not have any noticable influence on public opinion. Why? Because in Korea, there really IS an unshakable consensus about certain issues, particularly those pertaining to Japan.
I'm not convinced that such a consensus really did exist in the USA post-WW2. If it did, wouldn't the student rebels have been written off as just a bunch of crackpots, even by members of the younger generation? Not to get all Hegelian here, but if you're looking for answers as to why this supposed consensus collapsed, I think you also need to examine structural and ideological tensions that were always present, though perhaps dormant, within the consensus itself. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 4:53 am Post subject: |
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I agree with Gopher on this one. There was a general consensus for a long time, especially on foreign policy where it was agreed that disagreement 'ended at the shore lines ' (that quote isn't quite right, but it's close).
The consensus was not shattered easily. Each and every part of the body politic took body blows of enormous proportions before the fractures and fissures turned th buried fault lines into chasms. The governing coalition squandered it's hold on power by betraying its supporters, issue by issue.
It's one thing to disagree with your government's policy on a particular issue, it's another thing entirely to feel betrayed by your own government.
Books about political theory are fine as far as they go, but I've never run across one about any time in history that gets down to the level of the people who lived it. I think only novels can illustrate on an emotional level the 'truth' of a time, and no great novel has been written about those times being talked about here.
I wish Rteacher would show up here. Judging by some things he has said, I think he could shed some light on this. |
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Gopher

Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 6:11 am Post subject: |
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Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
It's one thing to disagree with your government's policy on a particular issue, it's another thing entirely to feel betrayed by your own government. |
...or conclude that your govt is depraved, which many, particularly on the far left, did post-Vietnam.
On the Other Hand: look at the nature of diplomatic historical writing coming out of the United States in the 1950s and early 1960s and compare that with that of the post-Vietnam era and then tell me what you think.
Also, Koreans (apparently) have consensus on many issues, esp. political ones, because they are consumed by their own nationalism and cannot see beyond its intellectual borders.
I do not find your analogy appropriate. The 1960s witnessed a systematic attack on "the system," in its entirety, and this attack shook the U.S. to its foundations.
Flashback, Columbia, 1968, Ph.D. candidate Mark Naison...
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Fayerweather Hall [was] occupied at the precise moment my [oral qualification] exams began...My orals board, composed of Richard Hofstadter and some equally uptight, but less renowned professors, began their questioning amidst the sounds of breaking furniture, shouts of rage and pride, fragments of falling plaster and chants of "shut it [the university] down."...The behavior of the faculty members was curious. They were not, as I expected, unusually hostile to me, but absolutely tickled pink at the propsect of keeping the institutional ritual alive amidst the surrounding chaos. They regarded themselves as the carriers of the light of civilization among the depredations of the strange new barbarians who had somehow exploded into their lives. Every time plaster fell on their heads they felt a strange thrill; they alone stood between America and Totalitarianism...
I sensed during the whole awful comedy, that they were more interested in their own performance than in mine. There was no question that I would pass; the issue was: could they retain the composure to ask good questions. They did. I gave the expected-unexpected answers...I played the game by all the rules. Man, they knew that I was for everything happening in that bldg., from the breaking of the furniture to the slugging of professors, but I would express my values in measured tones, over a glass of sherry, and make a final chivalric gesture. I would escort them out of the building. And so the final act featured mark naison [author uses small case deliberately], and a suit & tie...leading rh, dwight miner, equally attired, out of the window of an occupied bldg in front of 2000 people, raising my fist dramatically when friends asked whether I passed, & feeling at once overjoyed at having the whole fucking mess over with, and guilty at deserting my brothers inside...SCHIZOPHRENIA! You better believe it. |
Cited in Novick, 428-429.
Howard Zinn explained his approach to historical truth in the following words...
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...it is justifiable to focus on those aspects of [historical] complexity which support this ["moral"] goal...You are not telling the whole truth...but you are emphasizing that portion of the truth which supports a morally desirable action. |
Cited in Novick, 431.
But what happens when everyone does not share the same moral values, within cultures and, in the larger picture, between them? Who decides?
These demands and examples of "ideological history," by radical activists who traveled to Hanoi often for guidance, and their 1969 attempt to take control of the American Historical Association (AHA) to use it for their political ends, in the larger context of the revolution they believed was imminent in the United States, caused irreparable damage and infinite fragmentation in the historical profession and also, in part, in society at large.
Eugene Genovese, a leftist but not a radical leftist, called them "totalitarians" and, speaking before the AHA urged the association "to put them down, put them down hard, and put them down once and for all."
Cited in Novick, 435.
This did not happen, and "the totalitarians" neither took over "the system" nor saw the revolution they predicted materialize. But they had been partly responsible for shattering the consensus that had previously existed on many issues. And it seems to have disappeared forever.
This is one of the central reasons why we can not agree on issues like Reagan's life and presidency or produce a single explanation for 9/11.
It is all perspectival now. The best we can hope for is to exchange views in a civilized manner. |
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