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SPINOZA
Joined: 10 Jun 2005 Location: $eoul
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Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 5:51 am Post subject: Salam gogi (cannibalism) |
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Serious poll, genuinely interested, and ideally everyone who clicks on the thread will click a simple hypothetical yes or no.
The Dogmeat II thread had some mildly interesting off-topic discussion on cannibalism and I felt it deserved its own poll. Probably been done before, but no matter.
My enquiry assumes that the person is already dead and has not been murdered specifically for eating. The latter is obviously heinous and isn't worthy of discussion, but people do die every day (155,000) on average and my view is that we should make maximum use of the dead - their organs donated, their meat eaten, as opposed to being fruitlessly burried or burnt. I've no problem with being eaten when I'm dead - totally advocate it, actually. Also, humans are omnivores and starvation is a huge problem in parts of the world. Human meat should be a full-blown industry, creating jobs, feeding people. To me, there's just no moral issue at all. When you're dead, you're dead. Well, there is a moral issue, and that is that it's wrong not make maximum use of the dead in this way. To implement excellent ideas like this, a total overthrow of existing thought that dominates the human experience is required, but that's another, bigger matter.
I reject the view that was put forward that someone would rather starve than eat human. Faced with starvation, you'd eat 사람찌개 for the rest of your days. Have you ever gone without food for 3 weeks and been so hungry it incapacitates you with pain? No, you haven't, thus your assertion, as a relatively well-off First World person who's probably never gone more than 6 hours without food and never likely to face starvation, the assertion that you'd rather starve to death is an absolute nonsense, I'm afraid. People who are starving have been known to eat their own feces, multiple times. Morality goes down the toilet rather quickly when utter desperation kicks in.
Thus, the option "I would eat human but only if I was starving" is not open for discussion here. You may as well tell me that grass is green.
My view is an unsurprising yes. Again, it is assumed that the person was not murdered (specifically for food, that is; I wouldn't object to eating a person murdered per se) and that my doing so is my own free choice - not starvation. I'm just a person who's interested in what creatures taste like. My curiosity over what human tastes like is the same curiosity that led me to eat dog. I'm envious of people who've eaten horse and cat. Ironically, my interest in eating creatures is born out of a keen interest in animals. I'm extremely interested in animals and have always had pets, so have affection as well as interest. I want to know what lion, tiger, dolphin, hyena tastes like....although I don't particularly wish to try spider. Yet, at the same time, I do not care if all animals were to disappear into thin air tomorrow. Why should I give a toss if the Siberian Black-spotted Bull Tiger goes extinct? Give me one solitary reason! I'm interested in planets, they inspire me, make me get off my arse and educate myself, but am I bothered if Mars blows to bits right now? Am I bollox. Perhaps the new demand for lions and leopards - because we now know how delicious they are - would be beneficial to the longevity of the species (albeit chiefly to end up in soup bowls and BBQs).
Further issues that merit discussion: what recipes would go well with 사람고기? (sorry to keep using Korean - just sounds so much better!). What do reckon it tastes like? What parts of the body would be particularly delicious and why? What health properties does human have, I wonder? What health concerns are there with eating one's own? (I believe eating parts of the brain would be deadly) Is there any interesting moral issue with eating a person formerly a paedophile, rapist or mass-murderer? Is there any difference - in terms of taste - between different races? (Rottweiler and Great Dane taste different, I would imagine) Is there any interesting difference between eating a male or a female? Is there a moral difference between eating a person who died of natural causes vs eating a baby girl who was murdered?
So, here we have a "yes, I'm curious, I'd do it" vs "No - I'm genuinely not interested in eating human in the least" poll. |
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gang ah jee

Joined: 14 Jan 2003 Location: city of paper
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Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 6:01 am Post subject: |
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And if you agree that cannibalism is sometimes acceptable you also agree that white people should be exempt from airport security checks. |
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Dan The Chainsawman

Joined: 05 May 2005
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Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 6:02 am Post subject: |
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White meat or dark meat?? |
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SPINOZA
Joined: 10 Jun 2005 Location: $eoul
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Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 6:03 am Post subject: |
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gang ah jee wrote: |
And if you agree that cannibalism is sometimes acceptable you also agree that white people should be exempt from airport security checks. |
relevance? point?
stay on topic and don't waste my time please. |
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indytrucks

Joined: 09 Apr 2003 Location: The Shelf
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Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 6:05 am Post subject: |
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I'd be down with it.
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gang ah jee

Joined: 14 Jan 2003 Location: city of paper
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Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 6:05 am Post subject: |
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SPINOZA wrote: |
gang ah jee wrote: |
And if you agree that cannibalism is sometimes acceptable you also agree that white people should be exempt from airport security checks. |
relevance? point?
stay on topic and don't waste my time please. |
I'm just saying that people shouldn't be judged for saying things like eating people is OK or that white people shouldn't get stopped at airport security. |
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SPINOZA
Joined: 10 Jun 2005 Location: $eoul
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Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 6:09 am Post subject: |
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gang ah jee wrote: |
SPINOZA wrote: |
gang ah jee wrote: |
And if you agree that cannibalism is sometimes acceptable you also agree that white people should be exempt from airport security checks. |
relevance? point?
stay on topic and don't waste my time please. |
I'm just saying that people shouldn't be judged for saying things like eating people is OK or that white people shouldn't get stopped at airport security. |
Ah, I see. Very good - I agree. |
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red dog

Joined: 31 Oct 2004
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Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 6:25 am Post subject: |
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My enquiry assumes that the person is already dead and has not been murdered specifically for eating. The latter is obviously heinous and isn't worthy of discussion ... |
My assumption in the other thread was exactly the opposite, and that's why I said cannibalism was morally repugnant. In the scenario you've just brought up (death by natural causes), it would be pretty gross ... but definitely a lot less bad than eating animals, who are murdered for our dinner tables. I still don't think I'd want to try it just out of curiosity.
As to your second point, um, no, none of us have faced starvation and we don't know exactly what we'd do in that situation, but killing a human specifically to eat his or her flesh (as in my original example) is generally considered a bad thing and hopefully most of us will remember that the next time we're tempted ... |
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gang ah jee

Joined: 14 Jan 2003 Location: city of paper
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Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 6:28 am Post subject: |
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If you could eat any Dave's poster, who would it be?
I'd eat red dog. |
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Corporal

Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 7:16 am Post subject: |
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gang ah jee wrote: |
If you could eat any Dave's poster, who would it be?
I'd eat red dog. |
I bet flotsam would go down really well... |
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flotsam
Joined: 28 Mar 2006
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Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 8:50 am Post subject: |
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Corporal wrote: |
gang ah jee wrote: |
If you could eat any Dave's poster, who would it be?
I'd eat red dog. |
I bet flotsam would go down really well... |
Sure, flirt away once I'm on another continent.
For the record, my new dream is for one particular poster who I, under strict mod orders, am not allowed to mention by name but you may know of in her relation to Scarlett's four-legged friend from that timeless classic, Gone With The Wind, finds herself, in the very, very near future, stranded cold and alone on the icy shores of Greenland with the, ahem, flotsam of her shipwrecked ship: nets, fishing poles, lures, gaffs, advanced GPS fish radar technology with unremovable batteries, a U.S. Navy Seal regimental scuba gear supply canister(opened on one side--2000 sets of gear all with full tanks) with spearguns, spears, tridents, boomerangs like the one that kid from the Road Warrior had, frying pans, lard, instant batter mix(no additional ingredients required), a selection of seasonings, and "Ore-Ida's Fantastic and Fun Ichthyologophile's Cookbook for Castaways". |
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Qinella
Joined: 25 Feb 2005 Location: the crib
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Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 10:30 am Post subject: |
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I voted no. Sure, I'm interested in what humans taste like, but I don't think I could bring myself to eat it under normal circumstances. |
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endofthewor1d

Joined: 01 Apr 2003 Location: the end of the wor1d.
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Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 11:19 am Post subject: |
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if push came to shove... starving with nothing else. not a question. first one down gets eaten.
going to a restaurant that served human flesh... that i'd have to think long and hard about. whereas vegetarians draw an imaginary line between animals and vegetables, i draw an imaginary line between humans and everything else.
i guess it's the same line, just set in a different place, which is why i have some understanding of reddog and such people.
truth be told, i've got marginally more respect for those folks than i do selective vegetarians. as reddog mentioned in other posts, she feels for the chickens as she does for the dogs and the people. in my opinion that's still ridiculous, but at least it's holding onto an ethos more closely than those who don't eat mammals, but eat fish and birds and whatnot. i just can't get my mind around those people.
that said, reddog, while i'm showing a bit of empathy in the direction of where your line of acceptable life to consume vs. inacceptable life to consume is distinguished, i'd still be curious to see, when push came to shove, how quickly you'd suck down some fish before starving to death. |
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djsmnc

Joined: 20 Jan 2003 Location: Dave's ESL Cafe
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Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 12:17 pm Post subject: |
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Are kids who pick their scabs and eat them normal? |
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animalbirdfish
Joined: 04 Feb 2004
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Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 2:12 pm Post subject: Re: Salam gogi (cannibalism) |
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SPINOZA wrote: |
my view is that we should make maximum use of the dead |
That's why I stood my dead grandfather outside my front door as the gyungbi ajosshi for about six months last year.
As for the poll, I'd say no. Maybe if I was starving, but cannibalism leads to all manner of health problems so if the hunger didn't kill me something else would. |
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