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OneWorld

Joined: 05 Sep 2006 Location: usa
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Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 1:59 pm Post subject: What is it really like to be gay in south korea |
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I�m a newbie to possibly teaching in south korea. I love kids, and eager to venture into this opportunity. What is it really like to be a lesbian in korea. I know it�s common for same sex people to hold hands, and no one would think twice walking down the street. I�m talking openly homosexual. Would it be that bad to �come-out�? is it not safe? Could I really get fired if found out? |
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SuperFly

Joined: 09 Jul 2003 Location: In the doghouse
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Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 2:48 pm Post subject: |
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I don't think openly is safe, but overall otherwise....it's fine, people are cool. You'll have a great time, don't let anything stop you from exploring Asia and using Korea as base to get to other places. Just remember that if you don't like it in Korea, you can always save some cash and try another country. I don't think anyone would fire you unless you came right out and told the boss you sleep with girls. Or get involved with a student and then have it come out...
I think there must be zillions of G/L clubs by now too.
Edit: In fact, I BET you'll get at least five pms tonight regarding your question. |
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bnrockin
Joined: 27 Feb 2006
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Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 3:07 pm Post subject: |
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I am by no means a professional concerning buisness practices by different schools, but I have seen contracts that essentially say you can get fired for being gay and people knowing about it. I have not, however, heard of anyone getting fired over this so I dunno. |
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kermo

Joined: 01 Sep 2004 Location: Eating eggs, with a comb, out of a shoe.
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Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 3:25 pm Post subject: |
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Judging from discussions with my older students, the notion that "there are no gays in Korea" is pretty common. They were stunned when I mentioned I have gay friends, both Korean and foreign.
I don't recommend telling your boss or your co-workers, because I really have no idea what stereotypes are associated with it, or whether they'll be afraid you'll "convert" the students.
However, if you went ahead and mentioned "my girlfriend" in every other sentence, Koreans would probably just assume you were talking about a friend who's a girl. You can be functionally out and people around you will still probably be in the dark.
I don't know how important it is for you to be completely frank with your employer about this, so I'd wait to hear from someone who's actually done it on this one. We all have things we don't mention for the sake of appearances, and I don't like having to hide parts of myself but it's what's expected here. |
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uberscheisse
Joined: 02 Dec 2003 Location: japan is better than korea.
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Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 3:34 pm Post subject: |
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i have always thought one's sexual orientation was on a need-to-know basis. this is mostly because i'm 100% bored by the topic and don't care who does what with whom. however - it may be quite different here, and i think that being out and proud - and by no means would i knock being out and proud - i just think that it could make your life less comfortable.
will people at your work freak out if they're not kept apprised of who you choose to smooch? no.
they may if you let them know.
from what i've experienced the reaction to behavior that is perceived as unsavory, non-traditional, beyond the korean sphere of understanding... it can all can end up being treated a lot harsher than you would want it to. |
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Feloria
Joined: 02 Sep 2006
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Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 3:39 pm Post subject: |
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I think Kermo probably has the right idea. Hopefully it won't be a big deal. You wanted to possibly go to Busan, right? I should be there at the end of November if all goes well. If you do end up there; you will already have a potential friend in me! Good Luck!! |
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riley
Joined: 08 Feb 2003 Location: where creditors can find me
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Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 3:42 pm Post subject: |
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It wasn't that long ago when a korean TV star outed himself. He was then fired for it. It doesn't sound like there was a big public outcry in his favor either. Do what makes you feel comfortable, but understand it may make life a lot more difficult than back home. I hope people who are gay have given you some good advice about their situation and what they've done. |
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SuperFly

Joined: 09 Jul 2003 Location: In the doghouse
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Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 3:44 pm Post subject: |
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But there are tons of G/L clubs right? Right. There must be by now. |
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kiwiliz
Joined: 20 Apr 2006 Location: New Zealand
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Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 4:02 pm Post subject: |
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I have a couple of gay friends coming over to visit me next month. My really nice co-teacher is always trying to get me hooked up so I had to tell her my two lovely male friends were gay.
I said they would be staying in my apartment and she..and the other teachers at the school..arfe fine wiuth it all, because they are gay.
Theya re even taking us to the local festival.
the strange thing was though, that whenever she told her collegues, they thought she meant transsexual at first. It seems the words are similar?? anyone help me on this? |
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Hank Scorpio

Joined: 18 Jan 2003 Location: Ann Arbor, MI
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Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 4:27 pm Post subject: |
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uberscheisse wrote: |
i have always thought one's sexual orientation was on a need-to-know basis. this is mostly because i'm 100% bored by the topic and don't care who does what with whom. |
Bingo. If you're so tedious, so banal, and so utterly devoid of any other positive traits that your only identity is based around who you schtup, that's pretty pathetic.
Besides which, when you're a lesbian you don't really need to self-identify. Anyone with an ounce of gaydar can tell. |
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Swiss James

Joined: 26 Nov 2003 Location: Shanghai
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Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 4:29 pm Post subject: |
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in Korea, straight couples aren't even supposed to kiss in public, so how openly homosexual could you actually be anyway?
I've met a good number of lesbians in Seoul- there's a definite social scene in the capital. Not sure what you'd find in some of the smaller cities though. |
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Yu_Bum_suk

Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 4:42 pm Post subject: |
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If you're lesbian you should have no problems. Public displays of affection, with the exception of snogging, (holding hands, walking arm-in-arm, groping, bum pats, stroking legs) are fine and you can probably get away with doing it to women who aren't your girlfriend or to your female students. Living in the same apartment and even sharing the same bed as another woman is perfectly fine.
However, never ever tell any Koreans, especially your employer or students, that you're a lesbian. |
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rokgryphon

Joined: 12 Apr 2005
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Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 5:41 pm Post subject: |
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Hanson seems to think that it is OK in Korea, but, that's just him!  |
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Swiss James

Joined: 26 Nov 2003 Location: Shanghai
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Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 6:01 pm Post subject: |
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rokgryphon wrote: |
Hanson seems to think that it is OK in Korea, but, that's just him!  |
Well we almost made it to page 2, but not quite |
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Butterfly
Joined: 02 Mar 2003 Location: Kuwait
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Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 6:48 pm Post subject: |
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Hank Scorpio wrote: |
uberscheisse wrote: |
i have always thought one's sexual orientation was on a need-to-know basis. this is mostly because i'm 100% bored by the topic and don't care who does what with whom. |
Bingo. If you're so tedious, so banal, and so utterly devoid of any other positive traits that your only identity is based around who you schtup, that's pretty pathetic.
Besides which, when you're a lesbian you don't really need to self-identify. Anyone with an ounce of gaydar can tell. |
Hilarious . |
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