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laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea
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The Religion of Peace always responds with violence and mayhem. Bloodshed is their default mode.
Remember the recent Danish cartoon fiasco? From Sudan to Malaysia Danish flags were torched en masse. Where did they get all the Danish flags? Honest to god, if I wanted a Danish flag I wouldn't have a clue where to get one. But man, give the Religion of Peace credit. When it comes to burning things they are quick to find the appropriate combustables. Building things, mind you, that is quite another matter. |
The best was a video of (comedian, has a show where he parodies everything in the news like a news anchor, starts with J I think) showing some Muslims burning American flags during that fiasco, when America wasn't even involved. Then again, they probably had a surplus, so why not  |
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deadman
Joined: 27 May 2006
Location: Suwon
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| Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 4:33 am Post subject: Re: Today: Muslims offended by__________________ |
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PC "malarky" as my grandmother used to say. Being fed up and calling Muslims on their rhetoric of true intolerance, and yes, maybe even poking fun at the absurdity of their temper tantrums, is not spreading ignorance or being intolerant in any way. At least not in as much as I'm familiar with the meanings of those two words. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and talks like a duck then is it speading ignorance and being intolerant to other water fowl to call it a duck? |
I agree. And calling organised Jewry deceitful, manipulative, war-mongering, racist and self-serving is not intolerant either.
I personally don't hate the US, but it is sad to see the once proud nation reduced to being Israel's "submissive partner in a relationship". (edit - bitch changed to "submissive partner in a relationship") |
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Moldy Rutabaga
Joined: 01 Jul 2003
Location: Ansan, Korea
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| Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 4:40 am Post subject: |
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Burger King is winning!
Apparently Freddie Mercury grew up in Zanzibar for a while. Thought he would take the "we fundamentalist Muslims are not violent people but today between 3 and 4 PM, death to ___" award.
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ddeubel
Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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Read my sig. I bet that you're one of the "Islam Sucks" crowd. I guess if I were on here spouting the evils of the Muslims and the shame that should come with being a citizen of an Islamic nation, I'd fit right in.
The fact is, Americans around the world get angry and offended anytime anyone says anything that criticizes their freedom or religion. Most Orientals, and even Americans in eastern countries., appreciate the right to free speech that allows people to criticize each other. Many preachers in western countries organize rallies and protests over the smallest stuff; the stuff that you and I take as common criticism. That's my point. Eveything on that poll is something that Americans have been offended by in the recent past. Deal with it.
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Islam sucks, and if you say otherwise you are arrogant.
DD
We all wear a lense that keeps us from reality [and so much now in the form of media, quick stories, no thought....] -- sometimes though the bars of our prison cells, do not work.....to paraphrase Ondattje. |
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Junior
Joined: 18 Nov 2005
Location: the eye
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| Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 5:13 am Post subject: |
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What did you think of the popes apology?
rather disapointed-I thought he should have stuck to his guns. What we are arriving at is a state in which nobody dare criticise islam, or they face worldwide protests, violence, boycotts etc. |
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Pligganease
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: The deep south...
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| Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 5:17 am Post subject: |
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Read my sig. I bet that you're one of the "Islam Sucks" crowd. I guess if I were on here spouting the evils of the Muslims and the shame that should come with being a citizen of an Islamic nation, I'd fit right in.
The fact is, Americans around the world get angry and offended anytime anyone says anything that criticizes their freedom or religion. Most Orientals, and even Americans in eastern countries., appreciate the right to free speech that allows people to criticize each other. Many preachers in western countries organize rallies and protests over the smallest stuff; the stuff that you and I take as common criticism. That's my point. Eveything on that poll is something that Americans have been offended by in the recent past. Deal with it.
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Islam sucks, and if you say otherwise you are arrogant.
DD
We all wear a lense that keeps us from reality [and so much now in the form of media, quick stories, no thought....] -- sometimes though the bars of our prison cells, do not work.....to paraphrase Ondattje. |
Oh, get a clue.
A) You're trite little copy of my post is off-base and incomparable to my post.
B) The U.S. criticized every day in every country and by every news outlet, but we don't burn flags (except our own) and we don't withdraw diplomats from countries that insult us (unless they bomb our embassy.) Speaking of, when was the last time an American embassy was bombed by anyone that wasn't muslim?
C) You're just trying to spout the same old, tired "Islam is a religion of peace! If you understood islam, you'd know better!" crap. Really, are you the type that would sit there and say "Oh, that Third Reich is really a great group of guys. If you understood what they were doing, you'd appreciate them more."
D) Muslim clerics scream criticism of Christians, Jews, and others everyday, but we're supposed to just deal with it. However, when the pope makes on comment about Islams "dark side," the entire Islamic world goes up in arms and demands an apology, which the pope gave them. Do you think that the Shah of Iran will be offering up any apologies for any of the harsh things that Muslims have said or done?
E) Don't you think that tolerance should go both ways? We're supposed to be extra careful not to offend Muslims, but they seek ways to be offended. Personally, I'm done with it. Your idiotic apologist banter only shows that you are blind to what is going on.
Dan Brown writes a book that completely questions the entire belief system of Christians around the world, and he is criticized for it. Salman Rushie writes a book criticizing Islam, and has to go into hiding because there is a bounty on his head. See the difference? No?
No wait... I'm the blind one because I don't see the facts: Islam is a religion of peace.  (Ha Ha! Beat you to it, moron!)
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Plig:
What sort of discussion are you trying to start here, exactly? I could understand it if you asked "Why are Muslims offended by these things?" or "Why do Muslims get more offended by things than Christians do?" But the way you've framed the discussion is rather strange. Are you sincerely curious about whether Burger King will provoke more of a reaction than the Pope this week? |
I was pointing out that when anyone does anything that some Islamic cleric thinks he can use to "rally the troops," the entire Islamic world goes into chaos because of the insensitivity of us "infidels." Nothing more, nothing less.
Then, you have those folks that scream and cry that George Bush (a president that I am not too fond of, by the way) uses the small issues to convince the masses that he is correct. We have had 6 years of that, and the American people are waking up to the horse-crap. However, when Muslim leaders do it, it's our "intolerance and ignorance" that are the problem.
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| Now that you mention it... just what exactly is the point of your sig?? |
It means that if you're an American, and you say anything other than "America Sucks," people look at you and say, "Oh, that's one of those arrogant Americans." |
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ddeubel
Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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I won't address all your points.....because this above, sums it up nicely. There should be an award for this kind of thinking................
This thread of thought leads only downhill and into the realm of knuckle walking.....like the guy who kicks his dog to love him and lick his face................
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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| Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 5:38 am Post subject: |
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On the other hand wrote:
Plig:
What sort of discussion are you trying to start here, exactly? I could understand it if you asked "Why are Muslims offended by these things?" or "Why do Muslims get more offended by things than Christians do?" But the way you've framed the discussion is rather strange. Are you sincerely curious about whether Burger King will provoke more of a reaction than the Pope this week?
I was pointing out that when anyone does anything that some Islamic cleric thinks he can use to "rally the troops," the entire Islamic world goes into chaos because of the insensitivity of us "infidels." Nothing more, nothing less.
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Well, I don't know if the whole Muslim world ever went into chaos over Freddie Mercury. I think that was confined to Zanzibar, when it was proposed to have a holiday named after him. Evangelical Christians in my home province's legislature made the same sort of noises when a motion honouring k.d. lang was proposed.
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EDMONTON (Special) - Tory MLAs quashed a motion yesterday to send congratulations to Alberta-born singer k.d. lang
Agricultural Minister Ernie Isley said he opposes honouring land for her American Music Award won Monday because she's a lesbian vegetarian.
"Lang, an admitted lesbian, has done anti-meat testimonial ads on TV, declaring "meat stinks."
"While I appreciate her music talents, I ... could not support this motion congratulating anyone as anti-agricultural as k.d. lang is," Isley said.
"And ... you know my feelings (about homosexuals)," said Isley, who's against gay rights because the lifestyle isn't "traditional."
A stunned New Democrat House leader Pam Barret said "surely we can give (lang) her worth when she wins an international award." |
As for "piggy banks", are you referring to the case in England where pig imagery was banned from some council office? If so, you should know that that decision was made by one bureaucrat, at one small office, in response to one complaint from a Muslim employee. It was hardly an international movement.
The Muslim world may indeed have a lot of shortcomings re: religious freedom and democracy, but I think you're conflating too many issues together here.
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happeningthang
Joined: 26 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 5:56 am Post subject: Re: Today: Muslims offended by__________________ |
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| It doesn't mean that I always disagree with what you've got to say, fundamental Muslims are incredibly intolerant, however I don't appreciate how you're combatting this by being intolerant in return, if anything you're just spreading the ignorance you say you hate... |
PC "malarky" as my grandmother used to say. Being fed up and calling Muslims on their rhetoric of true intolerance, and yes, maybe even poking fun at the absurdity of their temper tantrums, is not spreading ignorance or being intolerant in any way. At least not in as much as I'm familiar with the meanings of those two words. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and talks like a duck then is it speading ignorance and being intolerant to other water fowl to call it a duck?
I knew about the first few "offenders" in the poll, but hadn't heard about the British flag. The ice-cream cone was particularly retarded. But what happened there?
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Fair enough...perhaps it's not spreading intolerance...just being intolerant. No. You're right you can call it as you like, but the consistent trend of some posters on here to demonise muslims gives me the impression that there's an intent to spread such ideas.
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happeningthang wrote:
I don't know who these American haters are you've conjured up in your mind...
Please...spare me this childish denial.
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...but I think that most of them are people who want some accountability and responsibility from the biggest democracy in the world.
No, that is not what "most of them" want. Judging from the likes of BLT Lawyer, Octavius, the Canadian who dropped out of grad school somewhere in the midwest, and several others here, most of them simply harbor the bitterest of feelings towards the United States. What you say "they want" here is merely their puerile pretext.
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Your comments are a fair response, but unfortunately you've misread my intentions. I don't mean to say that these 'american haters' are imaginary - rather I was trying to say I don't know what Pilig's conceptions of them are. I should have worded that a bit better. My fault.
Also I thought the OP was talking about people generally not just on this board. I wasn't thinking in terms of people on this board as being anti-US, so hopefully you can reassess the "childish denial".
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Moldy Rutabaga
Joined: 01 Jul 2003
Location: Ansan, Korea
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| "While I appreciate her music talents, I ... could not support this motion congratulating anyone as anti-agricultural as k.d. lang is," Isley said. |
Odd comment! "anti-agricultural"? I can't stand her music, but it's a weasel excuse to condemn her for being a non meat eater.
I honestly thought this was a silly thread meant in fun with nonsensical choices. Now I'm seeing that some of the options are actual controversies. Is there actually a real Burger King protest?
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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| Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 6:11 am Post subject: |
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"While I appreciate her music talents, I ... could not support this motion congratulating anyone as anti-agricultural as k.d. lang is," Isley said.
Odd comment! "anti-agricultural"? I can't stand her music, but it's a weasel excuse to condemn her for being a non meat eater.
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Well, in fairness to her critics, k.d. lang DID actually campaign against eating meat, with those TV ads and stuff. So I guess I can kind of see how Alberta beef farmers would have a problem with that. If Isley had confined his remarks to "well, she's trying to put a major segment of the Alberta economy out of business, so I don't think the legislature should be honoring her", I probably wouldn't have a problem with that. But of course, he had to throw in the anti-homosexual stuff to get the Alberta Report crowd on side. |
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happeningthang
Joined: 26 Apr 2003
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| "While I appreciate her music talents, I ... could not support this motion congratulating anyone as anti-agricultural as k.d. lang is," Isley said. |
Odd comment! "anti-agricultural"? I can't stand her music, but it's a weasel excuse to condemn her for being a non meat eater.
I honestly thought this was a silly thread meant in fun with nonsensical choices. Now I'm seeing that some of the options are actual controversies. Is there actually a real Burger King protest?
Ken:> |
He goes on to imply he's not too crazy about her "L-word" status either. He's a conservative politician, Agricultural Minister, who gets to give his two cents about a vegan, lesbian singer. No surprises to be had here. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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you don't see MUSLIM Kurds demonstrating do it, or muslims from the Northern alliance demonstrating It is mostly by those who support Khomeni or Saddam or Bin Laden.
Not a religious problem it is a political problem. |
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Pligganease
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: The deep south...
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| Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 7:29 am Post subject: |
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I won't address all your points.....because this above, sums it up nicely. There should be an award for this kind of thinking................
This thread of thought leads only downhill and into the realm of knuckle walking.....like the guy who kicks his dog to love him and lick his face................
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There is an award for this kind of thinking: rationalism.
I'm laughing at the Muslim community. I'm not calling for the deaths of people. I'm not burning flags. I'm not shouting "Death to Islam." Hell, I'm not even asking for an apology.
Muslims criticize our beliefs, our culture, and our actions every single day. Why can't we do the same?
Do you not think the Muslim world is a little overly sensitive? Does everyone have to respect Muslim opinion while they don't have to respect ours?
See, you think that by me saying tolerance I'm talking about tolerance of other cultures. You know why you think that? It's because you have it ingrained in your head that any time anyone criticizes the Muslim community they are saying "Death to all Muslims" or "Yee-haw! Let's go kill us some ay-rabs." That is not what I'm saying, nor have implied, in anyway. Are you saying that I can't criticize Islam? Does that mean I can't criticize Christianity either? If I criticize another religion, am I going "only downhill and into the realm of knuckle walking?"
There you go. Rationalism. Get some, and quit trying to show that your idealistic viewpoint is correct. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 9:03 am Post subject: |
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Happeningthang: my apologies for the "childish denial" comment. It was too harsh.
In other matters...
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| Don't you think that tolerance should go both ways? |
You are wasting your time in asking such a question as this where Ddeubel is concerned. I have asked him the same question several times and he has yet to respond.
Should the West, for example, particularly the United States, relax on Ahmadinejad's aggressive rhetoric and simply accept that it is part of his domestic political agenda (burn Israel, there was no Holocaust, association with Chavez and their war talks, etc.)?
Perhaps. It is just impossible to know what his true intentions are. Maybe we might give him the benefit of the doubt. (Personally, I do not agree with this, but, in any case, it is a perspective on Ahmadinejad.)
But should Ahmadinejad and those like him not also respect Western sensibilities by not engaging in such rhetoric that so obviously causes alarm?
Ddeubel does not provide any evidence on this board that he believes so. According to everything that he has said here, we owe Ahmadinejad and people like him tolerance and acceptance (and, like you said, Plig, no criticism whatsoever) -- but they should not have to reciprocate.
After all, in Ddeubel's postmodernist-derived perspective (indeed, he and the other postmodernists are lost in the house of mirrors perspectivalism offers, and they claim no one can see or know anything at all), the West appears only as the hegemon, or the cause of all evil, and it is entitled to nothing. Indeed, the West, and especially the United States, simply do not really appear on Ddeubel's radar at all but for their aggression. The West and especially the U.S. acts, harms, hurts, destroys, disrespets, and marginalizes while the Third-World "others" remain passive and are purely innocent, guiless, victims, unfairly wronged by the insensitive and brutal hegemonic Great Powers...
The root of the problem: Third-World peoples and cultures are puerile. They fiercely resist accepting any responsibility at all for their own historical problems and current shortcomings -- social, cultural, economic, or political. Everything is someone else's fault. They are chronic victims. After all, do not legions of Westerners like Ddeubel tell them so? |
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