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wowser



Joined: 14 Apr 2004
Location: Kyonggi do

PostPosted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 10:56 pm    Post subject: silly grammar question Reply with quote

This seems so simple.....kind of like when you say a word like 'said' many times, after a while it doesn't sound correct.... Embarassed

I am having a disagreement with a co-worker. She was getting really bent out of shape over it.
The sentence in question is this: He can not walk or run.
My meaning is: 'He can't walk. He can't run'.
I think it is fine. My co-worker says it is 'He can not walk and run'.
I think that changes my meaning.
Maybe it is 'He can neither walk nor run'.

After I asked around a few friends we all started going a little insane....who is correct and why...
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gang ah jee



Joined: 14 Jan 2003
Location: city of paper

PostPosted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 11:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It means both, which has the potential to cause problems in English (but rarely does.) Some other languages make the distinction clearer.
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HydePark



Joined: 23 Aug 2006
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 11:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Take a look at: http://www.bartleby.com/64/C001/040.html

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when a verb is negated by not or never, and is followed by a negative verb phrase (but not an entire clause), you can use either "or" or "nor": He will not permit the change or (or nor) even consider it.


Thus, all are correct:
He cannot walk or run.
He cannot walk nor run.
He can neither walk nor run.

...since "He can't walk" is negative, and "run" is also a negative verb phrase (ie. something he "can't" do), both "or" and "nor" are correct.
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

PostPosted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 11:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the first example (with 'or'), the poor guy is paralyzed. He can't walk and he can't run.

The second example would be clearer if you said, "Tom can't walk and chew gum at the same time."
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