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V high elec bill. foul play confirmed (i think)
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maddog



Joined: 08 Dec 2005
Location: Daegu

PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 2:53 am    Post subject: V high elec bill. foul play confirmed (i think) Reply with quote

My electricity bills are typically between 20-30K, which my co-worker reckons is high. Last month's (July) bill was 43,000 won. This seemed very high, but I put it down to the heat and using the air-con more often. August's bill, which I got today, was an astonishing 98,000 won!!!

I am very careful about switching things off when i leave the my apartment, so I can safely say that I haven't left anything swithced on while I've been out. Even if I had gone to work one day and left the air-con switched on, it wouldn't make that much difference.

Do any of you reckon there's a chance that someone in my apt building has somehow re-routed electricity from my meter.

I should add that i was in Thailand for week in August. Just to re-iterate, I did not leave anything switched on during that time.

I have never heard of an electricity bill this high.


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denverdeath



Joined: 21 May 2005
Location: Boo-sahn

PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 3:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I envy you. Mine was 280,000 for the month of July...a bit lower than last year though, so I'm not overly disappointed.
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kermo



Joined: 01 Sep 2004
Location: Eating eggs, with a comb, out of a shoe.

PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 3:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe your payments are not being received and they're just adding up, accumulating penalties? Get someone to look closely at the bill, and phone the company to inquire if necessary. Maybe it's their mistake.
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Winter Martyrium



Joined: 31 Mar 2006

PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 3:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Everyone at my school has the same 'sticker shock' over our electricity bills. So maybe it is a trend? Or an unrecognizable change in the billing system?

Mine shot from 30,000 to 77,000 $

Wow, I could've sworn I ran the A.C. for the exact same amount...
Around 1$ per day, it used to be...now over 2$? wow!
oh well,, whatever,,,please be quiet and pay up says our manager,,,summertime A.C. and all that.....While some roommate co-workers had their bill go from 30,000 something to 230,000 something!! Ouch!!

I wish I understood the change clearly. I can only guess that prices have went up!? I thought it was only our little group complaining!
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Junior



Joined: 18 Nov 2005
Location: the eye

PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 3:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Be sure that you got the right bill. Very often they stick them in the wrong boxes.

and i'm sure your appartment manager isn't above fiddling the bills to pass off his non-paying Korean fees onto the clueless weyguk.
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denverdeath



Joined: 21 May 2005
Location: Boo-sahn

PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 4:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The meter lady's the one who showed me the amt on the meter...she also insisted on calling my wife to verify that she knew the amt we'd get on our bill. I gave the lady exclamations of "expensive!" and "jin-jjah?!?" and the like. We always know that things will be more expensive in June, July, and August due to the running of the a/c. My wife explained to me before something about the rate per hour skyrocketing after 300Kw hours or sth like that. Anyway, I was a little happy that the bill was about 50-60,000 less than the same period for last year.
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Lizara



Joined: 14 Apr 2004
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 4:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah... the bill I got today was 130000. It's the first bill I've had in this apartment, so it's hard to know if it's normal, and I did use the AC a lot... but at my last place I don't think I paid that much for four months, and I used AC quite a lot there too in the summer.
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JongnoGuru



Joined: 25 May 2004
Location: peeing on your doorstep

PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 6:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Of course floor space has no major direct impact on electricity consumption unless you're trying to heat or air-condition the entire home and every room in it. But I'm surprised by the bills some posters are reporting -- over 200,000 won? So I'll ask, how large a place are we talking about? It just doesn't seem likely that relatively smaller, well-insulated homes, where no-one's at home during much of the day, would consume that much power.

And I have to say that, given my experience, which is not inconsiderable, foul play is definitely responsible in most cases mentioned in this thread. You know, there are gangs that go around breaking into foreigners' homes and jacking the A/C for a few hours every day. They laugh at the police and their fruitless efforts to capture them.
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Boodleheimer



Joined: 10 Mar 2006
Location: working undercover for the Man

PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 6:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

denverdeath wrote:
I envy you. Mine was 280,000 for the month of July...a bit lower than last year though, so I'm not overly disappointed.


how is that possible? i'm in the mountains, and it's never very hot, but we have a washer/dryer, fridge, TV, DVD player, lights, computer... mine was 8,000 for July.
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ontheway



Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...

PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 6:28 am    Post subject: The penalty system: Reply with quote

Korea's electric billing system has a series of penalties built in. That is probably the reason you see jumps in your bills that seem to exceed your increased usage. When you use more electricity you can reach penalty levels. At these points your electric RATE increases. Thus, small increases in usage can see your bill jump to much higher rates per KWH and so the total amount of the bill jumps.

There are several penalty levels built in. That is why people tend to use gas and oil for almost everything: heat, hot water, cooking etc.
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 6:29 am    Post subject: Re: V high elec bill. suspect foul play Reply with quote

maddog wrote:
My electricity bills are typically between 20-30K, which my co-worker reckons is high. Last month's (July) bill was 43,000 won. This seemed very high, but I put it down to the heat and using the air-con more often. August's bill, which I got today, was an astonishing 98,000 won!!!

I am very careful about switching things off when i leave the my apartment, so I can safely say that I haven't left anything swithced on while I've been out. Even if I had gone to work one day and left the air-con switched on, it wouldn't make that much difference.

Do any of you reckon there's a chance that someone in my apt building has somehow re-routed electricity from my meter.

I should add that i was in Thailand for week in August. Just to re-iterate, I did not leave anything switched on during that time.

I have never heard of an electricity bill this high.


I would only like to add that here in Korea you pay a premium rate if you go over certain consumption levels. It is NOT a linear consumption to fee billing.

For example if you use up to 50kwh your bill is 250won per kwh. If you use more than that up to perhaps 100 kwh then your bill is 350 won per kwh. If you go up another step it is perhaps 500won per kwh.

These are NOT real numbers. They are just an example to demonstrate how it is different from North America where you pay a flat fee per kwh irregardless of consumption levels. The rates here are also much higher than in North America where the usual rates are typically less than 10cents per kilowatt hour of electric consumption.
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Lizara



Joined: 14 Apr 2004
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 7:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Soooo... maybe this is asking too much, but does anyone know what exactly these penalty levels are, and roughly what sort of usage that translates to? I mean, what's a normal amount of energy to use for an apartment (taking things like aircon, how much you're home, the size of the apartment, etc... into consideration)? I realize it's going to be vastly different for everyone, but I'd like some kind of feel for how much I can get away with...
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 8:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lizara wrote:
Soooo... maybe this is asking too much, but does anyone know what exactly these penalty levels are, and roughly what sort of usage that translates to? I mean, what's a normal amount of energy to use for an apartment (taking things like aircon, how much you're home, the size of the apartment, etc... into consideration)? I realize it's going to be vastly different for everyone, but I'd like some kind of feel for how much I can get away with...


I know this is a strange idea... read your electric bill.

It will show consumption and price per kwh. Look at your bills for the last few months and you can see what levels you are at and what the rates are. Alternatively you can go to the Kepco website and hunt around for the rates. The URL should be on the bottom of your bill.

You are billed a month behind (not estimated in advance like in North America) so you are getting bills now for LAST months consumption.

Unless you have electric heating, your bills will go down now that your aircon is off.

BTW, most people forget to clean the filters on their aircon so the electric use is very high for the cooling you get (not efficient cooling). This results in VERY high electric bills.
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Lizara



Joined: 14 Apr 2004
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 8:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ttompatz wrote:


I know this is a strange idea... read your electric bill.


Okay, now I feel stupid. But thanks. Come to think of it, I never got an electric bill at either of my last two apartments; the schools have always taken care of it and just deducted it from my pay.
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Tiberious aka Sparkles



Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Location: I'm one cool cat!

PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 8:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JongnoGuru wrote:
And I have to say that, given my experience, which is not inconsiderable, foul play is definitely responsible in most cases mentioned in this thread. You know, there are gangs that go around breaking into foreigners' homes and jacking the A/C for a few hours every day. They laugh at the police and their fruitless efforts to capture them.


Laughing

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