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Joined: 06 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 6:15 pm    Post subject: double standard for teachers and diplomats? Reply with quote

perhaps this is an old topic, but i just came across it:

read this article: http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/nation/200609/kt2006091817372211990.htm

she sold over $20,000 in jewelry without a valid visa, and now won't face any punishment

"Writing to the Marmot's Hole, a popular blog on Korean politics and social phenomenon, Brendon Carr, a well-known legal consultant in Seoul, appealed to Mrs. Vershbow to call him if she wanted to straighten out the matter efficiently.

Carr pointed out that because of her diplomatic immunity the Korean government could in no way punish Mrs. Vershbow for her actions.

“Mrs. Vershbow, it's a real easy fix,” Carr wrote. “Give me a call and we'll walk through it. You will need to register as a foreign investor under the Foreign Investment Promotion Act, obtain a taxpayer ID number, and then apply for an endorsement to your diplomatic visa allowing you to operate your new business. You may have to pay a small fine for your past violation. And that's that.”


Why is that teacher's get deported/fined/jailed, but it's ok for wives of ambassador's to make thousands of dollars without any penalties?
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billybrobby



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 6:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Haven't you ever seen Lethal Weapon 2?

But seriously, to decry a double standard for teachers and diplomats is pretty naive. Of course there's a double standard, they're *diplomats* dude! The Koreans can't even give these guys parking tickets!
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Novernae



Joined: 02 Mar 2005

PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 6:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's not a double standar between teachers and diplomats; it's a double standard between diplomats and EVERYONE ELSE.
You can kill a person as a diplomat and not be held accountable in your hosting country (your own county may decide to prosecute you, but there is NOTHING the host country can do)
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laogaiguk



Joined: 06 Dec 2005
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 6:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This does seem a strange question. I guess some people don't understand diplomats. A Russian diplomat ran over some lady in Canada and all they could do is kick him out of the country. This is how it has always been. Diplomats are afforded this luxury because most diplomats would be quite hesitant to go to another country if not.
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I_Am_Wrong



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 6:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

why is it that a diplomat can kill a pedestrian while drunk driving in Toronto and get away with it?

Diplomats (and their families) have diplomatic immunity and they get away with all kinds of shit because of it. They are not subject to the laws of the country they are in, but we are. They are subject to their own nation's laws (so are member of the u.s. military btw). Therefore, a diplomat should be punished by his or her soveriegn nation. In the case of the Russian diplomat, the word is that he was never charged with anything once he returned to Russia.
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alinkorea



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 6:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought this thread had to be a joke. Apparantly not. WOW! To the OP: Type 'diplomatic immunity' into a search engine. Your queries should be answered
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crazylemongirl



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 6:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

alinkorea wrote:
I thought this thread had to be a joke. Apparantly not. WOW! To the OP: Type 'diplomatic immunity' into a search engine. Your queries should be answered


I was thinking the same thing.
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jinju



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 6:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Diplomatic immunity DOESNT mean she cant be kicked out of the country. She cant be prosecuted here but she can be evicted and she SHOULD. She makes people who break E2 visa rules look like jay walkers.
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billybrobby



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 6:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

By the way, I've been wondering. How come the president gets his own plane and I don't?
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djsmnc



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 6:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I_Am_Wrong wrote:
why is it that a diplomat can kill a pedestrian while drunk driving in Toronto and get away with it?

Diplomats (and their families) have diplomatic immunity and they get away with all kinds of *beep* because of it. They are not subject to the laws of the country they are in, but we are. They are subject to their own nation's laws (so are member of the u.s. military btw). Therefore, a diplomat should be punished by his or her soveriegn nation. In the case of the Russian diplomat, the word is that he was never charged with anything once he returned to Russia.


Just remember that for every bad thing a diplomat's family can do in your country, your country's diplomats can do something bad in another country.

Why not try to be a diplomat?
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jinju



Joined: 22 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 6:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

billybrobby wrote:
By the way, I've been wondering. How come the president gets his own plane and I don't?


So you see nothing wrong with her breaking the law of this country? Yes, she has diplomatic immunity which doesnt mean that she should go out braking any law she feels like. She should be evicted.

What about the ambassador himself? Is allowing people to use the residence of the Embassy for business an ethical thing to do? Is it even allowed?

Evict her.
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billybrobby



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 7:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jinju wrote:
billybrobby wrote:
By the way, I've been wondering. How come the president gets his own plane and I don't?


So you see nothing wrong with her breaking the law of this country?


Yes, that's exactly what I meant.
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alinkorea



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 7:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jinju wrote:
billybrobby wrote:
By the way, I've been wondering. How come the president gets his own plane and I don't?


So you see nothing wrong with her breaking the law of this country? Yes, she has diplomatic immunity which doesnt mean that she should go out braking any law she feels like. She should be evicted.

What about the ambassador himself? Is allowing people to use the residence of the Embassy for business an ethical thing to do? Is it even allowed?

Evict her.


If she got evicted, the States would respond by doing something similar. Then you have a minor diplomatic incident over nothing. What will happen is she'll be told to be careful in future. At most.
Her 'crime' was a visa violation. Nothing serious. She shouldn't be evicted and there is 0% chance she will be.
Selling items, as she did, constitutes a visa violation in Korea. Technically that includes 2nd hand goods. So Jinju, a teacher selling an old guitar, or whatever, should be evicted aslo?
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jinju



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 7:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The next time YOU have a visa violation and your embassy refuses to help, think about the fact that the embassy did help her.

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Gwangjuboy



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 7:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

billybrobby wrote:
By the way, I've been wondering. How come the president gets his own plane and I don't?


I want one of those mercs with the trendy 외교 plates! I wonder whether the education office will be willing to fork out for one Laughing In all seriousness, this is a really silly thread.
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