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khyber
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Compunction Junction
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whoa...honour killing?
I wonder if Dalhmer's work was actually, the little know Christian belief in "honour eating and having sex with dead people"? |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 10:32 pm Post subject: |
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seriously, what % of canada is muslim? I know in the USA it is around 5% max. The odds of negative aspects of Islamic culture becoming part of Canadian society are so remote.
In addition, you're assuming that Muslims don't assimilate. They certainly do in the USA, while obviously in Europe they've had problems (as have other immigrants). I'm not sure how it is in Canada. Regardless, at least some of them are going to become more western-oriented in their thinking and behaivor, and influence the rest of the Muslim community. |
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/25/AR2006082501169.html
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America's Muslims Aren't as Assimilated as You Think
By Geneive Abdo
Sunday, August 27, 2006; Page B03
If only the Muslims in Europe -- with their hearts focused on the Islamic world and their carry-on liquids poised for destruction in the West -- could behave like the well-educated, secular and Americanizing Muslims in the United States, no one would have to worry.s
So runs the comforting media narrative that has developed around the approximately 6 million Muslims in the United States, who are often portrayed as well-assimilated and willing to leave their religion and culture behind in pursuit of American values and lifestyle. But over the past two years, I have traveled the country, visiting mosques, interviewing Muslim leaders and speaking to Muslim youths in universities and Islamic centers from New York to Michigan to California -- and I have encountered a different truth. I found few signs of London-style radicalism among Muslims in the United States. At the same time, the real story of American Muslims is one of accelerating alienation from the mainstream of U.S. life, with Muslims in this country choosing their Islamic identity over their American one. |
And yes, it is correct, Canada has about 1.5 million muslims, mostly in Toronto and Montreal. Now, they have little power. If immigration and emigration match European levels, we will be wishing we would have prohibited muslim immigration in about 40 years, when they do feel confident in the numbers enough to cause problems...like in Europe.
And no, cowboy, we don't kill the ones that are in Canada. We deport them if they are foreign born and if they are Canadian born we let them know that their religion, properly followed, runs against Canadian values.
Lastly, attacks on women and gays by Muslims in parts of Europe are increasing quickly. Go find the data. |
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Atassi
Joined: 14 Feb 2006
Location: 평택
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| Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 11:16 pm Post subject: |
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BJWD, to understand what you quote from the Quran, you have to know the context and the history. You have to know when the verse was revealed, and to who it was directed to. Your professor and other students jumped down your throat? Maybe it's because you were missing something.
By your words it is clear you lack any understanding of the faith that provided Europe with enough knowledge to get out of the dark ages.
Oh, and real liberals have the opposite view of the one you carry. |
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tiger fancini
Joined: 21 Mar 2006
Location: Testicles for Eyes
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| Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 11:31 pm Post subject: |
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And no, cowboy, we don't kill the ones that are in Canada. We deport them if they are foreign born and if they are Canadian born we let them know that their religion, properly followed, runs against Canadian values.
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I bet they laugh in your face!!!  |
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Junior
Joined: 18 Nov 2005
Location: the eye
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| Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 11:37 pm Post subject: |
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By your words it is clear you lack any understanding of the faith that provided Europe with enough knowledge to get out of the dark ages. |
you must mean Christianity.
-You deny the prevalence of violence against women in Islamic societies? Honor killings, arbitrary killings of women and girls on the word of men. A rumour of infidelity, or even a woman seen talking to a man not her husband, is enough to sentence a woman to death in some muslim countries. Girls are worked like slaves and their lives have no value.
You deny all this?
The dark ages are alive and well in some countries. i think you need to get in contact with facts before ranting. |
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Atassi
Joined: 14 Feb 2006
Location: 평택
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| Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 12:10 am Post subject: |
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| By your words it is clear you lack any understanding of the faith that provided Europe with enough knowledge to get out of the dark ages. |
you must mean Christianity.
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No, definitely not Christianity. Brush up on your history.
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-You deny the prevalence of violence against women in Islamic societies? Honor killings, arbitrary killings of women and girls on the word of men. A rumour of infidelity, or even a woman seen talking to a man not her husband, is enough to sentence a woman to death in some muslim countries. Girls are worked like slaves and their lives have no value.
You deny all this?
The dark ages are alive and well in some countries. i think you need to get in contact with facts before ranting. |
With a billion and a half people being Muslim, it should instead be surprising that it isn't more common in "Islamic societies". Every society has its own share of problems, including your own. There are many examples of 3rd world countries being worse.
Are those problems common? Something bad happening is never good, but you blow it out of proportion.
I would add that those Muslims you hate are some of the most civilized, respectable people when they follow that religion you insist on criticising.
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| The dark ages are alive and well in some countries. i think you need to get in contact with facts before ranting. |
Look who's talking. Learn some history. Come back in a year when you've studied the right stuff Junior.
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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Sure sure. A quote to kill or enslave must be put in proper context. As if there is a context anywhere that can justify that.
And islam had never provided any knowledge at all.
Saying that islam provided knowledge is like me running into a library, killing or converting everybody inside and then claiming all the information in the library as mine, and of my creation. |
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Atassi
Joined: 14 Feb 2006
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| Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 12:25 am Post subject: |
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Sure sure. A quote to kill or enslave must be put in proper context. As if there is a context anywhere that can justify that.
And islam had never provided any knowledge at all.
Saying that islam provided knowledge is like me running into a library, killing or converting everybody inside and then claiming all the information in the library as mine, and of my creation. |
Is that information from a valid source or is it original? 
How about a poll: What does everybody think of this guy?
A) 
B) 
C) 
D) 
Fill in the answers as you please. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 12:34 am Post subject: |
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Interesting.
So, I post and comment on the crimes of muslims, and now "people" are being asked their opinions of me.
How about their opinions on,
*the MUSLIM genocide in Sudan
*The enslaved children in Saudi and UAE (camel-jockeys)
*Islamic aggression towards anyone who criticise it (Dutch Cartoons, T.V.G., Pope, and headless Christians and Jews the world over).
*Islamic enslaved women
*Uh, 9/11?
*The "muslim rape wave" in Sweden and France.
*Suicide bombers who exclusively target civilians.
*Spreading of racist hate literature that calls for the genocide of Jews.
and on and on and on and on.
And the muzzies did steal the histories of their assimilated masses. The best description I can think of is that they are like the Borg, for TNG fans.
Where the Assyrians at? Where did the advances of pre-Islamic Egypt go? All into thin air? |
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yawarakaijin
Joined: 08 Aug 2006
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This guy has his own agenda and by no means do I agree with every position this webpage throws out but it just goes to show the game can be played either way.
http://www.evilbible.com/
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Junior
Joined: 18 Nov 2005
Location: the eye
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| Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 12:40 am Post subject: |
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[quote="Atassi"]Junior wrote:
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you must mean Christianity.
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No, definitely not Christianity. Brush up on your history. |
Haha. you're saying that Islam converted Europe from a barbaric dark ages into the civilised advanced powerhouse it is today?? hahaha
How about some links?
-And no, the invention of tapestry does not count as transforming the earth into a civilised place.
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| With a billion and a half people being Muslim, it should instead be surprising that it isn't more common in "Islamic societies". |
You're absolutely right. Muslim women enjoy equality with men and if they are the victims of violence they have full legal recourse. And It all gets reported in the islamic police quarterly for the world to see.
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| Every society has its own share of problems, including your own. |
Sure, but violence against women and children is criminalised in the West. In islamic countries it is ainstitutionalised, acceptable, and of course by and large unreported. Hows a muslim woman going to make it to the cop shop when she can be apprehended by anyone for not being accompanied by a man, and the male police force will simply ignore her and send her back to her legal "guardian" ie abuser?
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| There are many examples of 3rd world countries being worse. |
Agreed, Rwanda is the only country standing between the entire Islamic world and the bottom of the human rights rankings.
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Judging by the first hand accounts of escapee muslim women from places like Palestine, they are virtually foundations and cornerstones of society there.
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| I would add that those Muslims you hate |
When did I ever say i hate them? You are radicalising everything. What i do hate, is backwardness and oppression.
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Is that the one where mohammed orders them to beat "disobedient" wives and kill all non-muslims?
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Please do educate me. i want to know how we owe all our precious western liberties to Muhammad. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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Yeah, the bible has tremendous amounts of garbage and hate in it. No doubt.
And when Christians do stupid sh!t they should be called on it, and forced to explain why they did it. And if they threaten violence, they should be put in jail.
A test,
1) The Bible is evil.
2) The Qur'an is evil.
Which of the two above is more offensive to white-guilt lefties?
Which of the two above is more likely to get me killed for saying in public?
Which of the above (the Bible or Qur'an) has more influence in the societies that have been colonized by its adherents? |
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Thunndarr
Joined: 30 Sep 2003
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| Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 12:49 am Post subject: |
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1)BJWD, to understand what you quote from the Quran, you have to know the context and the history. You have to know when the verse was revealed, and to who it was directed to.
2) By your words it is clear you lack any understanding of the faith that provided Europe with enough knowledge to get out of the dark ages.
3) Oh, and real liberals have the opposite view of the one you carry. |
1) What percentage of Muslims do you think know the context and history of the Quran? Don't you think it's possible that a plurality, or even a majority, read the Quran quite literally? Wouldn't you say that this is directly applicable to the topic at hand?
2) Yes, Islamic countries had the lead in technology 500 years ago. Too bad they haven't advanced since then.
3) Your liberals are most likely those who wet the bed at the thought of offending anyone except white males. BJWD's are likely a different sort entirely. |
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yawarakaijin
Joined: 08 Aug 2006
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I don't believe you can seperate todays current political climate and the actions taken by those who have chosen to interpret the Koran as they see fit to justify their POLITICAL agenda.
All I can go on is my own personal experiences. I taught ESL in Canada for over 5 years. We had students from Saudi Arabia, Iran, Turkey, Egypt and Somalia.
I have to say, and say honestly, the students from these countries were hands down the kindest and warmest people I have ever met. If I had had the power to grant them citizenship I would have done so in a moment.
Oh, dont worry, I'm just joking about that. I fully realized that they were simply hiding the sheer hatred they had of me and my culture.
I'm fully aware they came all the way to Canada to work a shitty ass job and be seperated from their families by thousands of miles just to have the chance one day to strap on a bomb and take out a bus. |
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Atassi
Joined: 14 Feb 2006
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| Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 12:59 am Post subject: |
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Haha. you're saying that Islam converted Europe from a barbaric dark ages into the civilised advanced powerhouse it is today?? hahaha
How about some links? |
Europe would not have exited those "barbaric dark ages" you refer to.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age
Just a start, as this page is far from complete. There's a ton of information out there that you should easily be able to find. Should.
Ask Google. Don't ask me for more weblinks. Visit the library when you get back home. Have a nice chat with a historian. Have a nice life. |
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