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Ya-ta Boy
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| Even if you find out that you have had unprotected vaginal sex with an HIV positive woman as long as you don't have another STD (especially penile warts/ghonneria) your chances of catching the disease or much less than 1%. If you are shooting needles with an HIV person or have a botched blood transfusion you are in danger but what are the chances of those scenarios in Korea?. |
Please explain why the AIDS rate in Uganda is so high. |
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flotsam
Joined: 28 Mar 2006
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1. From what I have been told by doctor friends, it is not easy to contract the disease. Especially for men engaged in hetero sex who are transmitting fluids but not really absorbing them so much. It is always the person at the receiving end that is at highest risk, which just makes sense. It is possible to have unprotected sex and HIV positive person and not contract the disease. ANYWAY the risk is there and it is obviously not worth it to the whirl the cylinder on this one. Which is why doctors and other medical professionals don't couch discussions of the deisease in these terms.
2. I have heard that every time a foreigner gets a medical check-up requiring bloodwork an AIDS test is done without her consent. Any verification on that?
3. Otis, is this why you are no longer in the country?
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flotsam
Joined: 28 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 7:45 am Post subject: |
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| Even if you find out that you have had unprotected vaginal sex with an HIV positive woman as long as you don't have another STD (especially penile warts/ghonneria) your chances of catching the disease or much less than 1%. If you are shooting needles with an HIV person or have a botched blood transfusion you are in danger but what are the chances of those scenarios in Korea?. |
Please explain why the AIDS rate in Uganda is so high. |
Rampant, rampant unprotected sex and absolutely no observation of who is HIV pos. Complete disregard for the disease and preventitive measures. Going right back to education. |
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ChopChaeJoe
Joined: 05 Mar 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 8:04 am Post subject: |
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| Just don't catch AIDS. |
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England
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| Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 4:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
| Please explain why the AIDS rate in Uganda is so high. |
The prevalence of other STDS coupled substandard health care, anal sex, the genetic make-up of black Africans which makes them more vulnerable to the disease, lack of education, and HIV positive patients who continue to engage in risky sexual behaviour despite being aware of their status. What's an uneducated Ugandan man with penile warts who lives 40 miles away from a suitable hospital going to do?
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England
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| Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 4:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Anyways, let's see a source for this "less than 1%" figure. |
Male-to-female transmission was approximately eight-times more efficient than female-to-male transmission and male-to-female per contact infectivity was estimated to be 0.0009 (95% C 0.0005-0.001).
http://hivinsite.ucsf.edu/insite?page=ask-01-01-23
The overall probability of HIV-1 acquisition per sex act was 0.0063 (95% confidence interval, 0.00350.0091). Female-to-male infectivity was significantly higher for uncircumcised men than for circumcised men (0.0128 vs. 0.0051; P = .04). The effect of circumcision was robust in subgroup analyses and across a wide range of HIV-1 prevalence estimates for sex partners.
http://www.hivandhepatitis.com/recent/developing/012105_f.html |
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England
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| Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 4:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Which is why doctors and other medical professionals don't couch discussions of the deisease in these terms. |
Many hetrosexuals who contract the disease engaged in anal sex, were bisexual but didn't identify themselves as such (the downlow), were actually homosexual, or had other STDS and caught it that way. Unfortunately, if the medical community puts the message out that the risk is low people will get reckless and forget that the presence of STDS and other risky acts (such as anal sex with a woman) make the transmission of HIV/AIDS much more efficient. |
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khyber
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 4:41 pm Post subject: |
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HIV passed through body fluids.
Sex fluids have highest HIV concentrations (reasons why male -->female is higher than female--> male)
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| The prevalence of other STDS coupled substandard health care, anal sex, the genetic make-up of black Africans which makes them more vulnerable to the disease |
genetic make up? You have support (...scientific paper) to support that outlandish claim.
HIV in Africa is spread through because of the social environment. First, having the disease automatically makes you a social outcast. So you don't tell anyone and carry on screwing normal like. Also, promiscuity is not helping. When my parents were doing relief work in Mozambique, their cook had AIDS and they watched her slowly break down and die. She got it from her husband who was cheating on her. Apparently this woman had lost several friends the year before for the same reason.
Considering the number of people you could POTENTIALLY have sex with is absolutely gigantic, there's little wonder the numbes are so low.
But have sex with prostitutes the rest of your life and if you manage to escape without an STD, well, good on ya |
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JZer
Joined: 13 Jan 2005
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 4:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Is this amateurish hour with bells on or what? Transmission of the disease is not very efficient unless you have unprotected anal sex or vaginal sex with penile warts. Even if you find out that you have had unprotected vaginal sex with an HIV positive woman as long as you don't have another STD (especially penile warts/ghonneria) your chances of catching the disease or much less than 1%. If you are shooting needles with an HIV person or have a botched blood transfusion you are in danger but what are the chances of those scenarios in Korea?. You probably think that you can get HIV from shaking hands with an HIV positive person. Sometimes people on this board amaze me. Come back to me when you have read a book or two. |
I saw a sign in a health clinic in Delaware that said 75 percent of HIV infected men in the state were infected as a result of shooting drugs. |
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England
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| Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 5:56 pm Post subject: |
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| khyber wrote: |
| You have support (...scientific paper) to support that outlandish claim. |
Dr. Kaslow first reviewed the role of genes in encoding chemokine receptors (CCR5 and CCR2) and chemokines (SDF-1) in HIV disease. While CCR5 has multiple allelic variants in its coding region (15), the deletion of a 32-bp segment results in a nonfunctional receptor (reviewed in 16), thus preventing HIV entry; two copies of this gene provide strong protection against HIV infection in epidemiologic studies, although the protection is not absolute. This gene is found in up to 20% of Europeans but is rare in Africans and Asians.
http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/EID/vol4no3/mcnicholl.htm
The CCR5-32 deletion obliterates the CCR5 chemokine and the human immunodeficiency virus (HIV)1 coreceptor on lymphoid cells, leading to strong resistance against HIV-1 infection and AIDS. A genotype survey of 4,166 individuals revealed a cline of CCR5-32 allele frequencies of 0%-14% across Eurasia, whereas the variant is absent among native African, American Indian, and East Asian ethnic groups. Haplotype analysis of 192 Caucasian chromosomes revealed strong linkage disequilibrium between CCR5 and two microsatellite loci. By use of coalescence theory to interpret modern haplotype genealogy, we estimate the origin of the CCR5-32containing ancestral haplotype to be 700 years ago, with an estimated range of 275-1,875 years. The geographic cline of CCR5-32 frequencies and its recent emergence are consistent with a historic strong selective event (e.g., an epidemic of a pathogen that, like HIV-1, utilizes CCR5), driving its frequency upward in ancestral Caucasian populations.
http://www.journals.uchicago.edu/AJHG/journal/issues/v62n6/970785/970785.html
Nothing outlandish here. Maybe you should read books before blasting something as outlandish when it in fact was an accurate statement. 
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003
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| Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 5:57 pm Post subject: |
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I saw a sign in a health clinic in Delaware that said 75 percent of HIV infected men in the state were infected as a result of shooting drugs. |
Transmission is highly efficient in this way. Russia is facing a similar prblem with regards to this. |
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gang ah jee
Joined: 14 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 6:00 pm Post subject: |
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| So I'm still not clear why deporting foreigners with HIV/AIDS isn't a good idea from a Korean perspective. |
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003
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| Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 6:08 pm Post subject: |
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| So I'm still not clear why deporting foreigners with HIV/AIDS isn't a good idea from a Korean perspective. |
Why don't you make the case? I've been to the moon and back and clearly demonstrated that HIV/AIDS is not a very contagious disease. In that respect I can't think of many reasons why HIV positive people should be deported from Korea. If we use your logic Korea should build a special hospital and lock its own HIV patients away. |
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gang ah jee
Joined: 14 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 6:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Gwangjuboy wrote: |
| gang ah jee wrote: |
| So I'm still not clear why deporting foreigners with HIV/AIDS isn't a good idea from a Korean perspective. |
Why don't you make the case? I've been to the moon and back and clearly demonstrated that HIV/AIDS is not a very contagious disease. In that respect I can't think of many reasons why HIV positive people should be deported from Korea. If we use your logic Korea should build a special hospital and lock its own HIV patients away. |
You showed a lot of examples of circumstances that would raise the likelihood of transmission. Why should Korea a)take the risk that those with the disease not engage in risky behaviour, b)bear the extra social and medical burdens that HIV+ people may place on society?
Visa status in all kinds of places is dependent on HIV- status. Why should Korea be any different in that respect? |
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billybrobby
Joined: 09 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 6:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Gwangjuboy wrote: |
| billybrobby wrote: |
| Anyways, let's see a source for this "less than 1%" figure. |
Male-to-female transmission was approximately eight-times more efficient than female-to-male transmission and male-to-female per contact infectivity was estimated to be 0.0009 (95% C 0.0005-0.001).
http://hivinsite.ucsf.edu/insite?page=ask-01-01-23
The overall probability of HIV-1 acquisition per sex act was 0.0063 (95% confidence interval, 0.00350.0091). Female-to-male infectivity was significantly higher for uncircumcised men than for circumcised men (0.0128 vs. 0.0051; P = .04). The effect of circumcision was robust in subgroup analyses and across a wide range of HIV-1 prevalence estimates for sex partners.
http://www.hivandhepatitis.com/recent/developing/012105_f.html |
Christ that's low. Thanks for finding those stats. They sure don't make a big deal about that particular figure. |
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