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Warning to western women and to Koreans that Seoul is UNSAFE
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William Beckerson
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2003 7:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

crazylemongirl wrote:
Just as an aside to the 'male escort' thing.

But I did a paper on violence and women back back at varisty and and apparently women are more likely to be sexually assualted by someone they know than a stranger on the street.. So although we talk about stranger danger, if you get some dude who you met at pub at the beginning of the night to 'walk you home' statiscally you are more likely to assulted by that guy then that weird guy throwing up in alley.
CLG


I'm glad someone pointed that out.
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Skippy



Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Daejeon

PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2003 8:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most weapons here are illegal. You can get knives. But knives are better for scaring someone away. If you want to have a knife learn to use it. Ask a guy or two for help on knife use most can give you some common sense ideas on how to use it. You do a bad chance on hurting yourself with a knife. If you do have a knife learn to take it out when feel scrared. if you are walking down a dark street take the knife and hold it in your hand against your side. But remember when you hurt or kill someone (even if thet are a scum sucking rapist) you have to deal with the consequences.

Pepper spray and it variants are illegal I think here in Korea. But you could try and make a poor mans version. A mean this country has tones of red peppers. Make a concentrated version and put it in a small spray bottle.

Stun Guns not a chance. Unless you can learn to make one.

A Gun not in a million years.

The BEST weapon a woman has is knowledge. So take the some advice here and adopt it. Careful how you dress. Do not try and be alone use the buddy system. Learn how to call for help in Korean. (People who can please post some Korean translations to scream). Taxis are not always to safe.

Another skill to learn is how to escape and run. Loose the high heels. Know which places can protect you and which will just trap you in the end.

Women should also learn to use there instinct. If you feel it is a bad situtation do something about it right away not think to wait it out or think yourself foolish. Better to be embarresed and mistaked then hurt and raped.

Skippy
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sammy



Joined: 28 May 2003
Location: Seoul, Korea

PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2003 3:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is all really good advice and really important for any females who are here in Korea or thinking of coming over. But it's not just Korean men that western girls need to be wary of, some of the western men here can be just as scary. It's worth reminding yourself that just because they're another western person doesn't necessarily mean they are okay.
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waterbaby



Joined: 01 Feb 2003
Location: Baking Gord a Cheescake pie

PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2003 4:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here are some tips for women who have been pinned to the ground by an attacker. They're not always 100% but I really think it's worth trying some of this stuff out with another person (preferably a male, and a big one!) that you can really trust as it can be very uncomfortable and disconcerting to realise how easily you can be overpowered.

When it comes to struggling on the ground, you can tire yourself to the point of exhaustion in a very short period of time. Try wrestling on the ground with a male friend for about a minute. I bet you'll be out of breath and out of strength in no time!

If your attacker pins yours arms to the ground and your hands and are about aligned with your head, pressing upwards against them wastes a lot of your energy and as they have gravity working for them, it's not so hard for them. Try pushing up as hard as you can for a few seconds and then quickly move your arms out straight. You'll probably find that your attacker becomes unbalanced (and hopefully he's very surprised too) and your arms are free. You can also try and get a knee at the same time into his butt and really throw him off you.

An alternative is to move one arm up above your head very quickly and the other arm downwards. This should shift your attackers� weight and you can use their momentum and your hip (same side as your upward arm) lifting upwards and thrown them off you. I�ve found this one to be very effective. It does take practice though. Even if you�re practicing with another woman, it�s better than nothing at all.
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kimcheeking
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2003 4:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Waterbaby good advice for anyone. If you are interested in self-defense ladies, don't take taekwon-do... instead take hapkido or aikido, much more defense and much more useable than taekwondo which is just a bunch of flash that will get you no where fast.
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waterbaby



Joined: 01 Feb 2003
Location: Baking Gord a Cheescake pie

PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2003 4:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kimcheeking wrote:
If you are interested in self-defense ladies, don't take taekwon-do... instead take hapkido or aikido, much more defense and much more useable than taekwondo which is just a bunch of flash that will get you no where fast.


I've been taking TKD here for almost 18 months and KK is right. It's a sport, like doing a Billy Blanks or boxercise workout.

I did Karate in Oz for almost 5 years before coming here and fortunately my sensei's were very experienced in a range of martial arts (grappling, judo, jiu-jitsu) and very sensitive when it came to self defence for women and we practiced it regularly. TKD? I think I did how to get out of hand grips ONCE in all that time...

I've attended a few self defence workshops specifically designed to help women avoid being a victim (how my interest in marital arts first began - I loved it so much, found it so empowering!) and thes workshops gave us some good practice - getting out of things like the "rape position" etc. It's always a little bit uncomfortable (which is why I was stressing to practice with someone you trust) but it's best to try this stuff out in a safe environment and a bit of discomfort in this situation - it's a small price compared to what some women have to pay.

I by no means consider myself an expert in this area but do think that I am far better equipped than others to deal with an attacker.
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Imbroglio



Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Location: Behind the wheel of a large automobile

PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 10:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

beebee wrote:

I post this warning as I know one female teacher friend who was raped in an elevator at 12.00 at night and another female teacher friend who was forced to *beep* a guy in broad daylight and no-one helped her. I was also dragged by a guy who tried to physically attack me at 10.15 pm on a week night after work walking to my apartment and no-one in a nearby restaurant helped me as he yelled in Korean at them as if he knew me.



WOW!
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adverge



Joined: 16 May 2006

PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 11:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm a woman who has lived in Daegu for three months now. I've never felt unsafe once in my three months here. I do admit, however, I live in an upscale part of the city and I've only been out to a club twice in the whole time I've been here. And I have the advantage of being several inches taller and an undisclosed number of pounds heavier than the average Korean man. I feel safer walking through the part of Daegu I live in at night than I did walking at night in my city in Canada.

I personally don't think any type of weapon will do most women or men any good. Most people simply have no training and think they know more than they actually do. It's best to rely on your feet and your yell to get you out of bad situations.

I don't understand this thing about dressing more like Koreans. One of the Korean female teachers at my school dresses like a prostitute who just stepped out of Miami Vice (the 80s TV show, not the movie). The women around the area I live wear tiny mini-skirts, tight tee-sihrts and often no bras. If I dressed like the women here I'd certainly look like a prostitute. I prefer my blue jeans and blouses.
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JongnoGuru



Joined: 25 May 2004
Location: peeing on your doorstep

PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 12:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Imbroglio wrote:
beebee wrote:

I post this warning as I know one female teacher friend who was raped in an elevator at 12.00 at night and another female teacher friend who was forced to *beep* a guy in broad daylight and no-one helped her. I was also dragged by a guy who tried to physically attack me at 10.15 pm on a week night after work walking to my apartment and no-one in a nearby restaurant helped me as he yelled in Korean at them as if he knew me.



WOW!

Agreed. And doubled.

I learnt a lot of things from this thread. Like:

-- always, always check the OP posted date and you'll spend less time saying "Whaaaa??" and "Who dat is??"
-- people usen't to be so quick to scream "troll!" or "hoax!" when they saw an OP like this
-- there were once posters named sammy and Skippy.
-- "White Woman = Russian Prostitute" is a permanent fixture of this board. And Korea. Doubt it will disappear until the Russians do.
-- a number of posters used a strange stealth mode called "Guest".
-- it was once possible to disagree and still remain cordial for a whole three pages.
-- Cedar posted in green since the Dawn of Dave.
-- Hank Scorpio and Blue Flower were unafraid to speak the unadorned, uncomfortable truth. I guess 'cos they didn't get harassed for it.


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Imbroglio



Joined: 23 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 12:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JongnoGuru - was this thread a troll then?
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Real Reality



Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 12:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Suspect in 82 rapes nabbed in eastern Seoul
The 45-year-old suspect has been charged with raping 82 women....
by Kim Bang-hyeon, JoongAng Daily (January 21, 2006)
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/200601/20/200601202145519779900090409041.html

Suspect held in 50 rapes, robberies in metro area
A 30-year-old man was arrested and detained by police yesterday, charged with the rape-robbery of 44 women and the robbery of six more in a crime spree from April 2005 until last month.
by Chung Kang-hyun and Kim Soe-jung, JoongAng Daily (July 21, 2006)
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/200607/20/200607202219241109900090409041.html

Sex crime reports soar, but leniency still rules
Sexual crimes have skyrocketed in Korea in the last decade -- but nearly half of the people convicted of rape don't serve any time in prison, a Seoul District Court judge said, citing the most recent statistics.

The U.S. courts, in 2002, handed down an average 104 month-long prison term to a convicted rapist-robber, while a Korean court handed down 60 months. For cases of sexual assault, the U.S. courts handed down an average prison term of 65 months, compared to an average term of 14 months in Korea.... The Supreme Court has judged rape cases based on how hard the victim fought to resist, if the victim and the offender had a relationship and if the victim's life was threatened or not at the time of the crime.
by Ser Myo-ja, JoongAng Daily (September 18, 2006)
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/200609/17/200609172205555409900090409041.html


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JongnoGuru



Joined: 25 May 2004
Location: peeing on your doorstep

PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 12:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Imbroglio wrote:
JongnoGuru - was this thread a troll then?

The rest of the posters who responded certainly didn't think so, nor do I.

But when I first read the OP this morning (at which time I hadn't noticed it was three years old) I had some doubts. I had never seen the OP's name before, assumed the thread was recently created, and was thinking to myself as I read it: 'Oh... Lord! Shocked The sceptics here probably ripped you to pieces! That's what the next three pages are, I bet! Nothing but accusations of "Troll! Liar! Sock!" Sad' Only because that's become a recurring theme here of late.

Then I glanced down and saw many unfamiliar avatars and poster names, and realised it was three years old. After that I read it as an artefact, noticing how certain posters have changed over the years, how they haven't, what comments provoked what responses then, what was the mood, etc.

Another thing that comes up time and again, and never gets satisfactorily answered: "Duhhhh... Pepperspray?" "Duhhh.... I dunno"
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kimchi_pizza



Joined: 24 Jul 2006
Location: "Get back on the bus! Here it comes!"

PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 2:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Artifact"- Is that a term used for old posts? If not, it should be for "digging up" old posts and bringing'em to light again. Lot of that going on lately! "Bird watching In Seoul" Laughing
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68Comeback



Joined: 30 Nov 2005

PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 2:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Although weapons (Knives,etc) may be illegal in Korea, a set of house
or car keys can do wonders for a lady.
Placed between your fingers in a closed fist, keys can make handy
work of a scumbag's face,ears,or throat.
A good punch in the throat does wonders too.....

If they're looking to get screwed, they certainly will be.

NO doesn't mean Yes
NO doesn't mean NO
NO means you're going to be getting a face of over cleaner or car
keys.
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maryb



Joined: 21 Aug 2006
Location: up the hill from the kimchi pots

PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 4:21 pm    Post subject: Guys arent safe either Reply with quote

I would like to add that it isnt safe for guys here either. Last time I was here (2001 - 2003) there was a stabbing, 2 joggers were beat up with a pipe, and a guy was forcibly removed from the subway and assaulted. Yes, they were all GI's but no, none of them were wearing their uniform.

I know this is old news but I doubt the situation has really changed much.
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