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Big_Bird
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 Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 8:48 pm Post subject: Use of cluster bombs against civilians - do we care? |
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I'm sure there are posters here who will have no problem justifying this. Let's witness your wonderful attempts...
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Deadly Harvest
Lebanese fields sown with cluster bombs
by Patrick Cockburn
September 25, 2006
Nabatiyeh. The war in Lebanon has not ended. Every day, some of the million bomblets which were fired by Israeli artillery during the last three days of the conflict kill four people in southern Lebanon and wound many more.
The casualty figures will rise sharply in the next month as villagers begin the harvest, picking olives from trees whose leaves and branches hide bombs that explode at the smallest movement. Lebanon's farmers are caught in a deadly dilemma: to risk the harvest, or to leave the produce on which they depend to rot in the fields.
In a coma in a hospital bed in Nabatiyeh lies Hussein Ali Ahmad, a 70-year-old man from the village of Yohmor. He was pruning an orange tree outside his house last week when he dislodged a bomblet; it exploded, sending pieces of shrapnel into his brain, lungs and kidneys. "I know he can hear me because he squeezes my hand when I talk to him," said his daughter, Suwad, as she sat beside her father's bed in the hospital. At least 83 people have been killed by cluster munitions since the ceasefire, according to independent monitors.
Some Israeli officers are protesting at the use of cluster bombs, each containing 644 small but lethal bomblets, against civilian targets in Lebanon. A commander in the MLRS (multiple launch rocket systems) unit told the Israeli daily Haaretz that the army had fired 1,800 cluster rockets, spraying 1.2 million bomblets over houses and fields. "In Lebanon, we covered entire villages with cluster bombs," he said. "What we did there was crazy and monstrous." What makes the cluster bombs so dangerous is that 30 per cent of the bomblets do not detonate on impact. They can lie for years - often difficult to see because of their small size, on roofs, in gardens, in trees, beside roads or in rubbish - waiting to explode when disturbed.
In Nabatiyeh, the modern 100-bed government hospital has received 19 victims of cluster bombs since the end of the war. As we arrived, a new patient, Ahmad Sabah, a laboratory technician at the hospital, was being rushed into the emergency room. A burly man of 45, he was unconscious on a stretcher. Earlier in the morning, he had gone up to the flat roof of his house to check the water tank. While there, he must have touched a pile of logs he was keeping for winter fires. Unknown to him, a bomblet had fallen into the woodpile a month earlier. The logs shielded him from the full force of the blast, but when we saw him, doctors were still trying to find out the extent of his injuries.
"For us, the war is still going on, though there was a cease-fire on 14 August," said Dr Hassan Wazni, the director of the hospital. "If the cluster bombs had all exploded at the time they landed, it would not be so bad, but they are still killing and maiming people."
The bomblets may be small, but they explode with devastating force. On the morning of the ceasefire, Hadi Hatab, an 11-year old boy, was brought dying to the hospital. "He must have been holding the bomb close to him," Dr Wazni said. "It took off his hands and legs and the lower part of his body."
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Whatever the reason for the bombardment, the villagers in south Lebanon will suffer death and injury from cluster bombs as they pick their olives and oranges for years to come.
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 7:40 am Post subject: |
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Ok .if Hizzbollah is not a group that is dedicated to destroying Israel then Israel was not justified in doing it.
If Hizzbollah is a group dedicated to destroying Israel then how can you blame Israel for going after its enemy with everything it has?
Since Hizzbollah will attack again eventually why ought Israel not hit them with everything and everything?
Actually Israel didn't .
You see that while Israel bombed the runways it did not bomb the hangers of the airport.
Isreal destroyed Hizzbollah TV but they did not bomb the power grid. Why?
Actually Saddam Hussein or Haffaz Assad or Khomeni would have destroyed Hizzbollah in about 3 weeks.
Cause in the mideast "Hama rules"*
Hama rules was coined by Thomas Friedman and refers to Haffaz Assad destroying the city of Hama (killiing around 25,000 in two weeks) when there was an uprising against him .
Then Assad built a new city over the city he destroyed and it was as if it had never happened.
That is how they do things in the middle east. |
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dbee
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| Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 8:48 am Post subject: |
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Ok .if Hizzbollah is not a group that is dedicated to destroying Israel then Israel was not justified in doing it.
If Hizzbollah is a group dedicated to destroying Israel then how can you blame Israel for going after its enemy with everything it has?
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... that's right. Call a ceasefire till everything settles down. And then just about the time that Hizbollah come out to harvest the olives - which by the way is probably another step in their vengeful path to destroy Israel - then hit them with everything you've got .... 
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Then Assad built a new city over the city he destroyed and it was as if it had never happened.
That is how they do things in the middle east.
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... that's nothing dude, you should have been around 60 years ago in Europe. There was this guy called Hitler, who pretty much mopped up France, the Poland, Belgium and the Netherlands in a couple of months. He also managed to wipe out about 22million Russians, 6 million Jews, 1 million Gypsies while he was at it ... |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 6:16 pm Post subject: |
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| ... that's right. Call a ceasefire till everything settles down. And then just about the time that Hizbollah come out to harvest the olives - which by the way is probably another step in their vengeful path to destroy Israel - then hit them with everything you've got .... |
Again ought Israel not hit Hizzbollah with everything?
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| ... that's nothing dude, you should have been around 60 years ago in Europe. There was this guy called Hitler, who pretty much mopped up France, the Poland, Belgium and the Netherlands in a couple of months. He also managed to wipe out about 22million Russians, 6 million Jews, 1 million Gypsies while he was at it ... |
that is true , on the other hand that was 60 years ago.
The problem is that in the mideast "hama rules" and it does to this day.
Well it is not only in the mideast . Pol Pot and Kim Il Sung did things that way too
but nevertheless in the mideast "hama rules" and it does to this day. Other than North Korea and Rwanda I don't know where else that stuff still occures . It is true in the middle east - Hama rules. |
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Boodleheimer
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| Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 9:02 pm Post subject: |
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| olive oil is well-known for its anti-semitism. we're nipping it in the bud. |
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dogbert
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| Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 9:24 pm Post subject: Re: Justify this |
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| Big_Bird wrote: |
| I'm sure there are posters here who will have no problem justifying this. |
Well, at least it took 11 hours. |
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Big_Bird
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| Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 9:25 pm Post subject: Re: Justify this |
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| dogbert wrote: |
| Big_Bird wrote: |
| I'm sure there are posters here who will have no problem justifying this. |
Well, at least it took 11 hours. |
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Boodleheimer
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| Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 9:53 pm Post subject: Re: Justify this |
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| Big_Bird wrote: |
| dogbert wrote: |
| Big_Bird wrote: |
| I'm sure there are posters here who will have no problem justifying this. |
Well, at least it took 11 hours. |
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what, mine doesn't at least get a giggle? i'm hurt. |
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Big_Bird
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| Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 10:04 pm Post subject: Re: Justify this |
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| KWhitehead wrote: |
| Big_Bird wrote: |
| dogbert wrote: |
| Big_Bird wrote: |
| I'm sure there are posters here who will have no problem justifying this. |
Well, at least it took 11 hours. |
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what, mine doesn't at least get a giggle? i'm hurt. |
Well that was just old hat.... everyone knows that Lebanese peasants only go out picking olives so they can make oil and fry up fish and chips to feed the terrorists so they can go out and kill the jews. I mean why else would they be doing it? Don't you know that is their whole raison d'etre? |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 10:22 pm Post subject: |
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You mean Israel ought not to hit it mortal enemy w/ everything it has? Why not?
Hizzbollah will attack again ? What you think they won't
Anyway Hizzbollah fires from civilan areas, so that is probably why that area was hit with Cluster bombs. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 10:24 pm Post subject: |
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| KWhitehead wrote: |
| olive oil is well-known for its anti-semitism. we're nipping it in the bud. |
No Hizzbollah is and Hizzbollah shoots from civilain areas don't they?
and of course Hizzbollah blows up Jewish community centers in Argentina. Was that an anti Israeli attack or just an anti Jewish attack?
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 10:27 pm Post subject: Re: Justify this |
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| dogbert wrote: |
| Big_Bird wrote: |
| I'm sure there are posters here who will have no problem justifying this. |
Well, at least it took 11 hours. |
I am sure you are aware that both the US and England have used many cluster bombs in Afghanistan. You can check it for yourself or just take my word for it.
Don't worry you don't need to justify it to me. Al Qaeda is a mortal enemy of the US so the US is justified in going after them with everything it has. |
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dogbert
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| Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 10:32 pm Post subject: Re: Justify this |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| dogbert wrote: |
| Big_Bird wrote: |
| I'm sure there are posters here who will have no problem justifying this. |
Well, at least it took 11 hours. |
I am sure you are aware that both the US and England have used many cluster bombs in Afghanistan. You can check it for yourself or just take my word for it.
Don't worry you don't need to justify it to me. Al Qaeda is a mortal enemy of the US so the US is justified in going after them with everything it has. |
Did I say I was in favor of the U.S. using them? |
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Big_Bird
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| Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 10:42 pm Post subject: Re: Justify this |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| dogbert wrote: |
| Big_Bird wrote: |
| I'm sure there are posters here who will have no problem justifying this. |
Well, at least it took 11 hours. |
I am sure you are aware that both the US and England have used many cluster bombs in Afghanistan. You can check it for yourself or just take my word for it.
Don't worry you don't need to justify it to me. Al Qaeda is a mortal enemy of the US so the US is justified in going after them with everything it has. |
Yes I am, I'm bloody disgraced by it. It makes my blood boil that my government is involved in that. Does that make it OK for Israel to do it? And Israel's recent use of it was particularly shocking. Excessive can't even begin to describe it. They chose to do it in the last 2 days of the war - knowing it would have horrific consequences for innocent civillians. Civillians will be dying from these ordinances for decades. There even worse than landmines, because at least with landmines they're not likely to fall out a tree and the enemy army usually keeps a map of them. They're also far far more tricky to locate than landmines. |
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Big_Bird
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| Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 10:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
and of course Hizzbollah blows up Jewish community centers in Argentina. Was that an anti Israeli attack or just an anti Jewish attack? |
Despite much investigation, that's never been proved. In fact, most investigators point their fingers in the direction of elements of the Argentinian military (notorious for its anti-semitism and crimes against Argentinian Jews). |
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