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Kuros
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When was AQ only interested in killing Russians?
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Back in the days when we were finding the nastiest most extreme and brutal terrorists and crazed fundamentalist loonies we could find, flying them to Afghanistand, bankrolling them and of course sending the CIA to train them up in camps in Afghanistan, so that they'd be even more effective murderers. Remember those fabulous days when we used them to orchestrate horrific terrorist attacks on Russian conscripts, and the unfortunate citizens who had chosen some of their more enlightened ways, like educating their girls. Those wicked Russians emancipating the girls. Of course our AQ guys could be counted upon to blowup co-ed schools (with their unfortuante students in them) and put a stop to all that modern feminist nonsense! Tsk tsk. Until 2001 - and then we felt such a sudden interest in helping to strip them of their Burkas!
But back in those early days - terrorism was just fine. Oh My - how we applauded it! |
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The US never directly funded Al Qaeda. They did fund Pakistani Intelligence, which they trusted to aid the resistance. Pakistani intelligence in turn funded groups like Al Qaeda. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 12:28 am Post subject: |
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| When was AQ only interested in killing Russians? |
Back in the days when we were finding the nastiest most extreme and brutal terrorists and crazed fundamentalist loonies we could find, flying them to Afghanistand, bankrolling them and of course sending the CIA to train them up in camps in Afghanistan, so that they'd be even more effective murderers. Remember those fabulous days when we used them to orchestrate horrific terrorist attacks on Russian conscripts, and the unfortunate citizens who had chosen some of their more enlightened ways, like educating their girls. Those wicked Russians emancipating the girls. Of course our AQ guys could be counted upon to blowup co-ed schools (with their unfortuante students in them) and put a stop to all that modern feminist nonsense! Tsk tsk. Until 2001 - and then we felt such a sudden interest in helping to strip them of their Burkas!
But back in those early days - terrorism was just fine. Oh My - how we applauded it! |
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The US never directly funded Al Qaeda. They did fund Pakistani Intelligence, which they trusted to aid the resistance. Pakistani intelligence in turn funded groups like Al Qaeda. |
See Charlie Wilson's War, which fully backs up what you say here about Pakistan. It also elaborates: the Saudis, for their own reasons and on their own initiative, matched U.S. contributions dollar for dollar. The Israeli and Swiss armaments industries, the Egyptian military and intelligence services, as well as British Intelligence were also all over this opportunity to stick it to the Soviets (for the British and Americans, that is) or to drive out the infidel (for the Saudis, Pakistanis, and Egyptians) (the Israelis and Swiss, by the way, just wanted to make money on the arms deals).
In any case, it had nothing at all to do with our hysterical friend's wild and unsubstantiated, indeed intriguingly gleeful, references to a U.S.-al Qaeda love fest.
In case I have not been clear enough on this point before, I think Big_Bird is pretty well consumed by her form of antiAmerican bitterness and this tends to make her sound quite unstable when talking world affairs and politics, particularly with her highly dramatic overuse of modifiers in her discourse...
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 12:50 am Post subject: |
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| While the charges that the CIA was responsible for the rise of the Afghan Arabs might make good copy, they don't make good history. The truth is more complicated, tinged with varying shades of gray. The United States wanted to be able to deny that the CIA was funding the Afghan war, so its support was funneled through Pakistan's Inter Services Intelligence agency (ISI). ISI in turn made the decisions about which Afghan factions to arm and train, tending to favor the most Islamist and pro-Pakistan. The Afghan Arabs generally fought alongside those factions, which is how the charge arose that they were creatures of the CIA. Former CIA official Milt Bearden, who ran the Agency's Afghan operation in the late 1980s, says, "The CIA did not recruit Arabs," as there was no need to do so. There were hundreds of thousands of Afghans all too willing to fight, and the Arabs who did come for jihad were "very disruptive . . . the Afghans thought they were a pain in the ass." Similar sentiments from Afghans who appreciated the money that flowed from the Gulf but did not appreciate the Arabs' holier-than-thou attempts to convert them to their ultra-purist version of Islam. ... There was simply no point in the CIA and the Afghan Arabs being in contact with each other. ... the Afghan Arabs functioned independently and had their own sources of funding. The CIA did not need the Afghan Arabs, and the Afghan Arabs did not need the CIA. So the notion that the Agency funded and trained the Afghan Arabs is, at best, misleading. The 'let's blame everything bad that happens on the CIA' school of thought vastly overestimates the Agency's powers, both for good and ill." [Holy War, Inc.: Inside the Secret World of Osama bin Laden (New York: The Free Press, 2001), pp. 64-66.] |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 7:18 am Post subject: |
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The full extent of the idiocy of Bush, i.e, the Plan B Cabal, is the statement in bold below. They still think they are fighting a rational foe?
Idiots.
Or is that just for our consumption?
http://edition.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/09/27/nie.iraq/index.html
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Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nevada, said the report's findings "confirm what the American people have long believed -- the Bush administration's failed policies in Iraq are fueling global terrorism and making America less safe."
"It is time to change course. We need a new direction in Iraq so that America can finally win the war on terror," Reid said in a statement. (Watch Iraq at the center of a highly charged day in Washington -- 2:23 )
Supporters of Bush's policy are pointing to the report's conclusion that if the Iraqi insurgency is perceived to have failed, "fewer fighters will be inspired to carry on the fight."'
"This really underscores the president's point about the importance of our winning in Iraq," said Townsend in a briefing with reporters about the intelligence estimate. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 8:14 am Post subject: |
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| United States-led counterterrorism efforts have seriously damaged the leadership of al-Qa'ida and disrupted its operations; however, we judge that al-Qaida will continue to pose the greatest threat to the Homeland and US interests abroad by a single terrorist organization. |
http://hughhewitt.townhall.com/g/1e83db99-0996-4d1a-b23b-0a64b836c058 |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 8:17 am Post subject: |
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The full extent of the idiocy of Bush, i.e, the Plan B Cabal, is the statement in bold below. They still think they are fighting a rational foe?
Idiots.
Or is that just for our consumption?
http://edition.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/09/27/nie.iraq/index.html
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Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nevada, said the report's findings "confirm what the American people have long believed -- the Bush administration's failed policies in Iraq are fueling global terrorism and making America less safe."
"It is time to change course. We need a new direction in Iraq so that America can finally win the war on terror," Reid said in a statement. (Watch Iraq at the center of a highly charged day in Washington -- 2:23 )
Supporters of Bush's policy are pointing to the report's conclusion that if the Iraqi insurgency is perceived to have failed, "fewer fighters will be inspired to carry on the fight."'
"This really underscores the president's point about the importance of our winning in Iraq," said Townsend in a briefing with reporters about the intelligence estimate. |
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what is wrong with that? |
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